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Rumour Sledging

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Cromulent said:
Funny, if you actually read the rule book they do have exactly that.

35.1 Prohibited Conduct
No person subject to the AFL Rules and Regulations shall act towards or speak to any other person in a manner, or engage in any other conduct which threatens, disparages, vilifies or insults another person on any basis, including but not limited to, a person's race, religion, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin, disability, sexual orientation or gender identity.

35.2 Lodging Complaint
In the event that it is alleged that a person has contravened Rule 35.1 an Umpire, AFL Official, Club Official, Player or the General Counsel may, within fourteen (14) days of the day on which the contravention is alleged to have occurred, or such longer period as determined by the AFL at its absolute discretion, lodge a complaint in writing with the person appointed from time to time by the General Counsel as the Complaints Officer for the purposes of this Rule. The complaint must outline the circumstances of the allegations made against a person.

In regard to penalties see 35.4 - 35.17.

So if a player or official feels they have been personally vilified they can lodge a complaint or have a complaint lodged on their behalf and it will be investigated.

Interestingly, 35.4 Confidentiality and No Public Comment
Subject to Rule 35.7:
(a) the particulars of a complaint and the conciliation shall at all times remain confidential; and
(b) a person shall not publicly comment on or disseminate to any person information concerning a complaint at any time prior to, during or after the conciliation.

So it's likely that players probably have complained about some of the personal sledges and due to the confidentiality clause it has been resolved behind closed doors.
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So 35.1 applies then.
It seems some players complain more than others but it's everyone's provocative.
Good post may as well close the thread from my pov. All I was inquiring
 
I once sledged an oppo in the ammos - it was the old ‘tell your wife I said hello’- guy runs up and throws a haymaker that would have cleared St Kilda beach (I ducked, wrestle occurs, separated) qtr time I’m off for the game under Amo rules - seems his wife was divorcing him.

I felt like an absolute campaigner.

It should be vilification and insults involving family - it’s a step too far.
 

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The Blue Max said:
I once sledged an oppo in the ammos - it was the old ‘tell your wife I said hello’- guy runs up and throws a haymaker that would have cleared St Kilda beach (I ducked, wrestle occurs, separated) qtr time I’m off for the game under Amo rules - seems his wife was divorcing him.

I felt like an absolute campaigner.

It should be vilification and insults involving family - it’s a step too far.
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Agreed, the stance that it’s only vilification for certain nominated groups is dumb.

Should be for any personal derogatory statements that a normal workplace would find unacceptable.
 
frggr said:
This misses the point entirely. Using a slur for "gay" people against a non-gay person (and how do you know the target isn't gay?) doesn't make it any less harmful. In fact, it makes it more harmful. It's effectively saying "I think less of you, so much so that I think you're <member of a minority community>".
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you think using an f-slur against a straight person is more offensive than against a gay person? what?
 
I want to make it clear it is completely unacceptable to use racist language or to vilify someone because of there sexual orientation.

I just want to say though if my mother passed away and I was sledged about it I would be a lot more enraged than if somebody sledged me calling me a ****ot.

So answering the opening post I agree some personal abuse comments should be outlawed and treated the same as homophobic and racist comments.

How you police it is another question all together.
 
Run n Spread said:
Why wasn't Patrick Voss suspended for 5 weeks for his sledge against Harrison Petty who was originally sledged about his mother who he apparently sledged an opponent about a marriage breakdown. Yet no penalty was ever given.
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Just a reminder that according to Harrison Petty’s mum herself, she did not have cancer:

‘Petty’s mum Karen has now spoken out to rubbish the rumours surrounding her health.

The footballer’s parents, Karen and Simon, have both told The Daily Mail there is no truth to the swirling speculation.

“That’s all rumours... I don’t have cancer,” she said.

Simon also said: “My wife’s not ill”.’

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/m...r/news-story/e31ebf7ccec2480224b5d44a80988cf1
 
Wasn't Xerri's excuse for the blood wiping incident was that he was being called a soft flopping c*** by the Essendon players?

Good sledging or not (all be it very true)
 
The Blue Max said:
I once sledged an oppo in the ammos - it was the old ‘tell your wife I said hello’- guy runs up and throws a haymaker that would have cleared St Kilda beach (I ducked, wrestle occurs, separated) qtr time I’m off for the game under Amo rules - seems his wife was divorcing him.

I felt like an absolute campaigner.

It should be vilification and insults involving family - it’s a step too far.
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Say that again.
 

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Cromulent said:
Funny, if you actually read the rule book they do have exactly that.

35.1 Prohibited Conduct
No person subject to the AFL Rules and Regulations shall act towards or speak to any other person in a manner, or engage in any other conduct which threatens, disparages, vilifies or insults another person on any basis, including but not limited to, a person's race, religion, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin, disability, sexual orientation or gender identity.

35.2 Lodging Complaint
In the event that it is alleged that a person has contravened Rule 35.1 an Umpire, AFL Official, Club Official, Player or the General Counsel may, within fourteen (14) days of the day on which the contravention is alleged to have occurred, or such longer period as determined by the AFL at its absolute discretion, lodge a complaint in writing with the person appointed from time to time by the General Counsel as the Complaints Officer for the purposes of this Rule. The complaint must outline the circumstances of the allegations made against a person.

In regard to penalties see 35.4 - 35.17.

So if a player or official feels they have been personally vilified they can lodge a complaint or have a complaint lodged on their behalf and it will be investigated.

Interestingly, 35.4 Confidentiality and No Public Comment
Subject to Rule 35.7:
(a) the particulars of a complaint and the conciliation shall at all times remain confidential; and
(b) a person shall not publicly comment on or disseminate to any person information concerning a complaint at any time prior to, during or after the conciliation.

So it's likely that players probably have complained about some of the personal sledges and due to the confidentiality clause it has been resolved behind closed doors.
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Good find, that answers the OPs question of where the mythical line is. There is no line. This rule in black and white clearly states no personal insults. Its still happening obviously, its whether you choose to report it or not.

My question now would be around rule 35.4

If a confidentiality rule that exists then why are all these cases played out in public?

Shouldnt we only be hearing about a suspension (if there ends up being one) while all the details surrounding it are kept confidential

I feel like the only media report should be player x has been suspended/fined for breaching rule 35.1

35.1 Prohibited Conduct
No person subject to the AFL Rules and Regulations shall act towards or speak to any other person in a manner, or engage in any other conduct which threatens, disparages, vilifies or insults another person on any basis, including but not limited to, a person's race, religion, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin, disability, sexual orientation or gender identity.

Details will be kept confidential as per rule 35.4

This wouldnt generate as much revenue for all of the weekly tv, radio talk shows and online news articles of course
 
The Blue Max said:
I once sledged an oppo in the ammos - it was the old ‘tell your wife I said hello’- guy runs up and throws a haymaker that would have cleared St Kilda beach (I ducked, wrestle occurs, separated) qtr time I’m off for the game under Amo rules - seems his wife was divorcing him.

I felt like an absolute campaigner.

It should be vilification and insults involving family - it’s a step too far.
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reminds me of the one between Rod Marsh and Ian Botham where Marsh asked Botham "how's the wife and my kids"
Botham replied" the wife's fine the kids are reta%ded"..... :cool:
 
What happens is one player calls an opposition player a 'fairy'.

What that be considered a homophobic slur?

Or should I rephrase that to 'would the AFL consider that a homophobic slur'?
 

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