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pjfairbairn

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I don't want to be a panic merchant after a disappointing first up loss, but one thing which we alluded to in the pre-season is the lack of a genuine crumbing forward on our list, and based on Round 1 this seems even more apparent.

Let's analyse the contenders:

Aaron Davey - was successful in this role when younger, but as has been much publicised he has lost a yard of pace and seems scared to get too physically involved. Didn't seem to have the stamina to get from the wing to the key forward's ankles, nor the handling ability, and was left trying to be a marking target. Much work to do if he is to convince all of us that he is the small forward we wanted.

Sam Blease - looks out of his depth in the forward line. Doesn't have enough room to run, kicking at goal not accurate enough. His dash is far better suited to half back or the wing

Jamie Bennell - A natural half back flanker who can push forward when need be. Does have the ability to pop up with some good goals, as witnessed in 2010, but is a real confidence player and when he is not seeing a lot of the ball, he lacks the imagination to spark an attack. Has the speed, the goalkicking accuracy and the handling skills, but needs a good confidence boosting couple of games where he sees plenty of the footy and kicks 2 or 3 goals.

Kelvin Lawrence - Big wraps on this kid, but he is yet to show that he is capable at this level. Has good forward pressure and is a strong tackler, but has yet to show that he can kick more than one or two goals in a game. Also yet to dominate at Casey level which is a concern as how can we seriously consider playing him in the 1's if he isn 't doing enough in the twos.

Other contenders: Lynden Dunn, Brad Green are too tall and not quick enough/agile enough to be a dedicated small forward.

Colin Sylvia's importance to the midfield and inside 50 clearances rules him out when, in fact, he is probably the most suitable candidate.

Ricky Petterd, Liam Jurrah, Jack Watts and Jeremy Howe have the skillset to play small but are strong overhead and cannot resist going for the big marks as opposed to letting the likes of Clark and Martin have a crack at it.

With the addition of Mitch Clark, we now have a permanent big gorilla in the square, and the importance of a small forward has increased tenfold as opposed to our medium sized forward structure from last year.

It beggars belief that in the rookie draft we did not look at another crumbing forward, instead taking necessary inside midfielders and 2 development key position players. The likes of Milera and Saad would have fitted the bill perfectly IMO.

Not that I am saying we made the incorrect decision to delist him, as unfortunately his personal issues and poor fitness overshadowed his freakish ability, but I wonder what Aussie 'Turtle Stew' Wonaemirri is doing now... Does anybody know? Would have surely been worth keeping Maric at the expense of Bate?

Would love ideas how we can fill this void, as if you look at Hawthorn, Collingwood, Geelong, Carlton and West Coast, one thing you see is that they all have at least one player with the ability to excel in this role, even if it is while they are resting from their midfield duties (i.e. Rioli)
 
I don't want to be a panic merchant after a disappointing first up loss, but one thing which we alluded to in the pre-season is the lack of a genuine crumbing forward on our list, and based on Round 1 this seems even more apparent.

Let's analyse the contenders:

Aaron Davey - was successful in this role when younger, but as has been much publicised he has lost a yard of pace and seems scared to get too physically involved. Didn't seem to have the stamina to get from the wing to the key forward's ankles, nor the handling ability, and was left trying to be a marking target. Much work to do if he is to convince all of us that he is the small forward we wanted.

Sam Blease - looks out of his depth in the forward line. Doesn't have enough room to run, kicking at goal not accurate enough. His dash is far better suited to half back or the wing

Jamie Bennell - A natural half back flanker who can push forward when need be. Does have the ability to pop up with some good goals, as witnessed in 2010, but is a real confidence player and when he is not seeing a lot of the ball, he lacks the imagination to spark an attack. Has the speed, the goalkicking accuracy and the handling skills, but needs a good confidence boosting couple of games where he sees plenty of the footy and kicks 2 or 3 goals.

Kelvin Lawrence - Big wraps on this kid, but he is yet to show that he is capable at this level. Has good forward pressure and is a strong tackler, but has yet to show that he can kick more than one or two goals in a game. Also yet to dominate at Casey level which is a concern as how can we seriously consider playing him in the 1's if he isn 't doing enough in the twos.

Other contenders: Lynden Dunn, Brad Green are too tall and not quick enough/agile enough to be a dedicated small forward.

Colin Sylvia's importance to the midfield and inside 50 clearances rules him out when, in fact, he is probably the most suitable candidate.

Ricky Petterd, Liam Jurrah, Jack Watts and Jeremy Howe have the skillset to play small but are strong overhead and cannot resist going for the big marks as opposed to letting the likes of Clark and Martin have a crack at it.

With the addition of Mitch Clark, we now have a permanent big gorilla in the square, and the importance of a small forward has increased tenfold as opposed to our medium sized forward structure from last year.

It beggars belief that in the rookie draft we did not look at another crumbing forward, instead taking necessary inside midfielders and 2 development key position players. The likes of Milera and Saad would have fitted the bill perfectly IMO.

Not that I am saying we made the incorrect decision to delist him, as unfortunately his personal issues and poor fitness overshadowed his freakish ability, but I wonder what Aussie 'Turtle Stew' Wonaemirri is doing now... Does anybody know? Would have surely been worth keeping Maric at the expense of Bate?

Would love ideas how we can fill this void, as if you look at Hawthorn, Collingwood, Geelong, Carlton and West Coast, one thing you see is that they all have at least one player with the ability to excel in this role, even if it is while they are resting from their midfield duties (i.e. Rioli)



I like Kelvin, but the club is trying to turn him in to a 'small forward'. When he was recruited all the highlight videos showed him to have extreme pace & dash down the wings & executing some great goals in the process.

It is not easy for someone to suddenly have to work in confined space, when it is foreign to his game.

I hope he can work it out, but I reckon, if he gets fit enough, he would be a perfect candidate for the outside mid position that we are currently all talking about that we lack...
 
I agree about Blease. When he gets the pill he always looks like he just wants to take off - which is great, pace is his greatest asset... but when you're close to goal it's kinda asted. He is more of a straight-line fast than 'zippy' around packs if that makes sense.

Seeing him take off from half back/on the wings to break past the press is fantastic. I wouldn't mind seeing him given kick-in responsbility a few times too - what have we got to lose in this area? Let him kick to himself and run the ball half way out of the backline, Heath Shaw style.
 
Seeing him take off from half back/on the wings to break past the press is fantastic. I wouldn't mind seeing him given kick-in responsbility a few times too - what have we got to lose in this area? Let him kick to himself and run the ball half way out of the backline, Heath Shaw style.
Worth a look at least. Don't think he's much of a small forward and we could use his run more effectively out of defence. I know what you mean by he's fast, but not zippy; lacks the instant acceleration needed to be a good small forward.
 

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Our lack of small forward is a concern and something we haven't had for a couple of years. Aussie was good in that role but he is gone and Maric has numerous chances and did nothing.

The other contenders are not flash but I think we just need some smaller guys down there who work hard. If they can get to the right spots and put pressure on the defence then that will go some way to solving the problem.

I see no reason why a Sam Blease type player can't do it, and he can use his pace to get behind backs and burst away from the opposition. It's something to keep an eye on as the year progresses.
 
Blease will make a great winger in my opinion. He does have a great burst of speed, as was seen in the third quarter when he gained possession and then decided to go for a run to the 50, although unfortunately he missed the kick. But he moved passed everyone like they were standing still. Will be a great attacking weapon if he can run from the wing I reckon.
 
davey is our only small forward. he was a great small forward back in the day and despite bailey playing him off half back for a few years he has been our only real option for like 8 years. (the 20 odd games wona played being the exception) we need to recruit some small forwards you cant just turn a winger into a small forward (blease) it doesnt work that way. you either have the goal instinct or you dont and blease certainly doesnt. i wouldnt mind seeing tapscott playing the paul chapman role across half forward when he finds some form. hes a great kick and has shown he can kick a goal not to mention that he tackles and provides some really much need toughness.
 
Blease will make a great winger in my opinion. He does have a great burst of speed, as was seen in the third quarter when he gained possession and then decided to go for a run to the 50, although unfortunately he missed the kick. But he moved passed everyone like they were standing still. Will be a great attacking weapon if he can run from the wing I reckon.

Yep good call. Obviously I couldn't see his face at the time, but I'll bet his eyes just lit up when he saw the chance to go for a run at last. And boy did he go! So quick. We need to take advantage of that, he is certainly not a small forward.
 
Blease will make a great winger in my opinion. He does have a great burst of speed, as was seen in the third quarter when he gained possession and then decided to go for a run to the 50, although unfortunately he missed the kick. But he moved passed everyone like they were standing still. Will be a great attacking weapon if he can run from the wing I reckon.

I agree, that's kinda what i was trying to get at with my earlier post. Whilst Neeld is going for contested possessions etc, there has to be room for quick fast outside players. Blease seems like a bit of a one-way player, but by starting him from half back/the wings he will do more damage than lurking around the fwd 50 imo.

I hope we dont go too far with this 'bomb it down the line/into the fwd 50' gamestyle we seem to have adopted. It needs to be a mix - our best play under Bailey was the fast moving, play-on style that gave opposition defenders no time to set up. There's a video on youtube from the Essendon game last year that was a prime example.
 
this really makes me realise how badly dean bailey ruined aaron davey. do u guys remember when aaron started and was the most exciting guy on the ground. the chases, the great goal instinct, i even remember him going a few seasons where he kicked at least a goal a game. i have no idea why dean changed that. davey was one of the most electrfying small forwards in the game and now his confidence is so shot he'' probably never get back to where he was. flipping dean bailey i still blame him and our recruiting staff for everything wrong with the club.
 
Yep good call. Obviously I couldn't see his face at the time, but I'll bet his eyes just lit up when he saw the chance to go for a run at last. And boy did he go! So quick. We need to take advantage of that, he is certainly not a small forward.

My understanding is he has played games for Casey where he has scored a few goals running off half back or on the wing anyway. So he may score as many goals for us in those positions as he would as a small forward. Granted there is a big difference between vfl and afl.

But at the same time, I have been happy with the decisions neeld has made so far so I am happy to sit back and see if he has seen something in blease we haven't and if they pays off.
 
Draft one.

I'd kill for Aussie circa 2008 right now.

But seriously, target the best 5 small forwards in this draft. Small forwards usually slip anyway. The best one available come our second-round pick, draft them.
 

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this really makes me realise how badly dean bailey ruined aaron davey. do u guys remember when aaron started and was the most exciting guy on the ground. the chases, the great goal instinct, i even remember him going a few seasons where he kicked at least a goal a game. i have no idea why dean changed that. davey was one of the most electrfying small forwards in the game and now his confidence is so shot he'' probably never get back to where he was. flipping dean bailey i still blame him and our recruiting staff for everything wrong with the club.

I blame him when my toast gets burnt.
 
first off, why don't we try Bennell as the small crumbing forward? He's quick and does have some skill with a decent goal sense. That way, he'd be out of harms way in turning the ball over in the backline, and given he only provides cameos, would suit the position of a small forward (most don't win you games of footy). Then there's also Kel Lawrence, why not give him a go as the pocket specialist (when he earns a call up).

If looking to the draft, maybe target Kennedy from SA. He's bloody quick, great goal awareness and has good disposal. Hopefully his height will put many teams off him. Might be there-abouts come our second round pick. Hopefully a few more kids come on and push him down the order. He could become everything that Maric was meant to be.
 
first off, why don't we try Bennell as the small crumbing forward? He's quick and does have some skill with a decent goal sense. That way, he'd be out of harms way in turning the ball over in the backline, and given he only provides cameos, would suit the position of a small forward (most don't win you games of footy). Then there's also Kel Lawrence, why not give him a go as the pocket specialist (when he earns a call up).

If looking to the draft, maybe target Kennedy from SA. He's bloody quick, great goal awareness and has good disposal. Hopefully his height will put many teams off him. Might be there-abouts come our second round pick. Hopefully a few more kids come on and push him down the order. He could become everything that Maric was meant to be.

i seem to remember bennel getting some time in the forward pocket role under bailey. wasn't terrible but is certainly not a natural forward by any means. might provide a bit of forward pressure but i cant see him doing much more. its a joke melb fans keep brining up kal lawrence. theres a reason he cant crack casey 1s let alone our team.
 

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so lets draft him? we do have 3 1st rounders so if we spend 2 on mids we could certainly use 1 on a good small forward. we really do need a spark up there.

It's still a long ways out, but somehow i doubt we'll be pushing for the 8 this year, or possibly even near the 8 given Saturday's performance.

We'll have 2 top 10 picks, a mid-teens pick, plus a high 2nd round pick. We have the chance to bring in 4 quality players (if we draft right :o).
 
Why not look to the VFL, SANFL, WAFL etc at the end of the year and get a small forward or two from there? Plenty of the current good small forwards came via very late picks or the rookie draft, no need to risk a high pick on one. Last time we did that we got Maric. Enough said.
 
Why not look to the VFL, SANFL, WAFL etc at the end of the year and get a small forward or two from there? Plenty of the current good small forwards came via very late picks or the rookie draft, no need to risk a high pick on one. Last time we did that we got Maric. Enough said.

We could always draft the other Maric brother? :rolleyes:
 
We could always draft the other Maric brother? :rolleyes:

Or do what so many other clubs have done and draft someone handy. The Saints grabbed Milera who looked good. Betts and Garlett ended up at Carlton through late picks and/or the rookie draft. Milne was a late pick. Those are just to name a few.

Just don't want to see us waste a high pick for a small forward when history suggests you can find a gem through the lower leagues.
 
It's still a long ways out, but somehow i doubt we'll be pushing for the 8 this year, or possibly even near the 8 given Saturday's performance.

We'll have 2 top 10 picks, a mid-teens pick, plus a high 2nd round pick. We have the chance to bring in 4 quality players (if we draft right :o).

true. although if we do finish close to the bottom say 15th it would be more like picks 3,4,10,20. 1 on viney leaves 3 really good picks in a good draft. hopefully we dont **** them up this time.
 

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