So the tank is empty .

["The Roar Is Back"]

Despite whether you think Dimma has been out coached , Elton shouldn't have been picked or your not that upset with yesterday's result and are of the opinion it's part of development for the greater future . There are a couple of massive holes within our list , whilst we continue to have an over abundance of potential players within other areas that we have recruited into the club .
IMO the loss of Foley and poor form of Vickery and Miller has cost wins this season and may be the difference between making finals and not.
We have no midfield depth and no Key Forward depth/options .
Whilst on the other hand the players we have developing at Coburg , or not in our best 22 , are outside mids, small forwards or defenders , something which is severly affecting the selection of our side .
We have Helbig , White and Arnott as the only non best 22 players, who have shown anything resembling ability to play as an inside mid, a role which requires around a 1/3 (8) of your side to be able to do .
Yet on the other hand upon our list we have Connors , O'Hanlon , Addam Maric , Lawson and MacDonald to potentially fill the small forward role , which is predominately 1 position .
I know McDonald has gone AWOL however when our list management decisions where made he wasn't .
Whilst as a key forward outside of best 22, we currently only have Elton developing , yet have an aging Brad Miller . We have Post , Derickx , Astbury , McGuanne and likely one of Batch/Griffiths as KPD not in our best 22 .
There appears to be a huge inbalance of our list ATM , which I think is a little concerning giving the draft picks we have had , the amount if players we have turned over and players that have already left after being drafted in within recent times .
The current selection and game day coaching IMO, is completely reflective of the holes within our list, which is massive .

 

[tigerdan]

Valid points but probably reflects the fact that not so long ago we were desperate for good key defenders. We are now fairly well set for that position. I'd also say that with Riewoldt coming on like he did, the need for KPF slipped off the radar a bit.

All teams need depth in onballers these days with the way the interchange gets used too. I'd say that is part of the problem too, and possibly not one that was forseen in previous drafts.

 

[leve]

Valid points but probably reflects the fact that not so long ago we were desperate for good key defenders. We are now fairly well set for that position. I'd also say that with Riewoldt coming on like he did, the need for KPF slipped off the radar a bit.

All teams need depth in onballers these days with the way the interchange gets used too. I'd say that is part of the problem too, and possibly not one that was forseen in previous drafts.

Richmond needs a quality player day in day out EG pavlich We don't have it We have some nice players at coburg that aren't given a chance therefore loosing the passion to try. Why the heck is ellis playing every game. Houli . miller and a couple others Surely Batchelor played a bad game against gws but who played well that day. Conca when he learns not to dive on the ball everytimg and get penalised he'd would be a bonus. Helbig i like but he isn't given a chance derixx another O;hanlon is a ball magnet bring him on a few minutes then drop the kid and keep playing ellis. Morris is 20 times the player ellis is we don't need him. Give some kids a go Stuff the so called stars and for crying out loud leave jack alone in the forward line don't cramp him up lol

 

[tigerT]

Agree list is unbalanced, need to draft several midfielders this draft

 

[Bojangles17]

Not sure we get shown up for lack of midfield depth, let me know what kpi you are referring last i checked we generally unload upteen more I50s for nil result...ummm err im no rocket scientist but me thinks that means our front half has probs

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Not sure we get shown up for lack of midfield depth, let me know what kpi you are referring last i checked we generally unload upteen more I50s for nil result...ummm err im no rocket scientist but me thinks that means our front half has probs

You can't see the low % of scores from i50's being a direct result of poor ball movement through our midfield ? IIRC our scores from clearances have also been well down since Foley has been out , I'd suggest as a direct result of Jackson playing more time within the midfield .
The quality of our clearances and transition from defence to our forward line has a direct effect on the space available within our forward line .

 

[Dragonss]

Good points but in saying that Miller is out of form is stupid because he was never in form and never will be

 

[WATIGE]

.......There are a couple of massive holes within our list , whilst we continue to have an over abundance of potential players within other areas that we have recruited into the club .
IMO the loss of Foley and poor form of Vickery and Miller has cost wins this season and may be the difference between making finals and not.
We have no midfield depth and no Key Forward depth/options .
Whilst on the other hand the players we have developing at Coburg , or not in our best 22 , are outside mids, small forwards or defenders , something which is severly affecting the selection of our side .
We have Helbig , White and Arnott as the only non best 22 players, who have shown anything resembling ability to play as an inside mid, a role which requires around a 1/3 (8) of your side to be able to do .
Yet on the other hand upon our list we have Connors , O'Hanlon , Addam Maric , Lawson and MacDonald to potentially fill the small forward role , which is predominately 1 position .
I know McDonald has gone AWOL however when our list management decisions where made he wasn't .
Whilst as a key forward outside of best 22, we currently only have Elton developing , yet have an aging Brad Miller . We have Post , Derickx , Astbury , McGuanne and likely one of Batch/Griffiths as KPD not in our best 22 ........

Basically agree with You ... And guess what so does Blair Hartly. his latest list analysis presentation stepped through list changes over the last 2 yrs and there were many players whose positions moved, such as Connors and Edwards into HFF roles which showed an imbalance. Dimmas last video mentioned they had set down and done another list check can guarantee that it has gelled and matured from what I saw at FTF night. We just have a way to go still and the club are on to it.

 

[Bojangles17]

You can't see the low % of scores from i50's being a direct result of poor ball movement through our midfield ? IIRC our scores from clearances have also been well down since Foley has been out , I'd suggest as a direct result of Jackson playing more time within the midfield .
The quality of our clearances and transition from defence to our forward line has a direct effect on the space available within our forward line .

No i dont, i say that we dont have enough decent forwards, has been a problem since r 1 and theres no escaping from that

 

[Toadvine]

We were always going have an imbalance of talls when rebuilding the list as they take longer to develop you need to get them in early and then top off the roster with mids who will most likely impact from day one.

I really would like to see Astbury given a sustained period of games as a CHF. He is a great grab and a lovely kick of the ball. I think he could really be an asset pushing up to the wings and kicking inside our 50.

 

[NZ_Tiger]

Our problem is more that our small players aren't versatile. Kingy, Nahas, Ellis, Edwards, Connors, O'hanlon, Newman, Houli, Batchelor, Conca, Morris even Grigg to a degree are unable, or not ready to play in the guts when it's their turn. After our primary rotation we've got nothing. Showed badly against Adelaide, as our key mids tired the rest got towelled. A few will never be able to rotate and these are the guys we should be looking at upgrading at the earliest opportunity others like Conca and Ellis we have to hope will build the strength and nous to be able to compete.

We've improved our defensive structures next thing we need to invest in is our stoppage and clearance work setups. Too many times I see our rucks getting first hands on it and our midfield not roving it.

I can understand why we didn't cut too deep last year but this year we need to get 5 picks ND atleast. Hopefully a top line mid talent and then a mature aged mid in the preseason to give us some depth.It's clear Nahas/King combo is two players to do the job of one. With any luck a quality small will be there for our second round pick

 

[theflea]

Despite whether you think Dimma has been out coached , Elton shouldn't have been picked or your not that upset with yesterday's result and are of the opinion it's part of development for the greater future . There are a couple of massive holes within our list , whilst we continue to have an over abundance of potential players within other areas that we have recruited into the club .
IMO the loss of Foley and poor form of Vickery and Miller has cost wins this season and may be the difference between making finals and not.
We have no midfield depth and no Key Forward depth/options .
Whilst on the other hand the players we have developing at Coburg , or not in our best 22 , are outside mids, small forwards or defenders , something which is severly affecting the selection of our side .
We have Helbig , White and Arnott as the only non best 22 players, who have shown anything resembling ability to play as an inside mid, a role which requires around a 1/3 (8) of your side to be able to do .
Yet on the other hand upon our list we have Connors , O'Hanlon , Addam Maric , Lawson and MacDonald to potentially fill the small forward role , which is predominately 1 position .
I know McDonald has gone AWOL however when our list management decisions where made he wasn't .
Whilst as a key forward outside of best 22, we currently only have Elton developing , yet have an aging Brad Miller . We have Post , Derickx , Astbury , McGuanne and likely one of Batch/Griffiths as KPD not in our best 22 .
There appears to be a huge inbalance of our list ATM , which I think is a little concerning giving the draft picks we have had , the amount if players we have turned over and players that have already left after being drafted in within recent times .
The current selection and game day coaching IMO, is completely reflective of the holes within our list, which is massive .

who's lawson?

 

[theflea]

Despite whether you think Dimma has been out coached , Elton shouldn't have been picked or your not that upset with yesterday's result and are of the opinion it's part of development for the greater future . There are a couple of massive holes within our list , whilst we continue to have an over abundance of potential players within other areas that we have recruited into the club .
IMO the loss of Foley and poor form of Vickery and Miller has cost wins this season and may be the difference between making finals and not.
We have no midfield depth and no Key Forward depth/options .
Whilst on the other hand the players we have developing at Coburg , or not in our best 22 , are outside mids, small forwards or defenders , something which is severly affecting the selection of our side .
We have Helbig , White and Arnott as the only non best 22 players, who have shown anything resembling ability to play as an inside mid, a role which requires around a 1/3 (8) of your side to be able to do .
Yet on the other hand upon our list we have Connors , O'Hanlon , Addam Maric , Lawson and MacDonald to potentially fill the small forward role , which is predominately 1 position .
I know McDonald has gone AWOL however when our list management decisions where made he wasn't .
Whilst as a key forward outside of best 22, we currently only have Elton developing , yet have an aging Brad Miller . We have Post , Derickx , Astbury , McGuanne and likely one of Batch/Griffiths as KPD not in our best 22 .
There appears to be a huge inbalance of our list ATM , which I think is a little concerning giving the draft picks we have had , the amount if players we have turned over and players that have already left after being drafted in within recent times .
The current selection and game day coaching IMO, is completely reflective of the holes within our list, which is massive .

i find it funny how we all knew the gaps in our list prior to the year yet when we start to win games it goes out the window. we have still many holes to fill and we have known that for 3 years. we still need(in the game day team) another a grade inside mid with another 2 or 3 b grade hybrids. we still need 2 small fwds, 2 medium fwds. we still need maybe 1 big defender. a priority is a chf drastically. we need to draft a young ruck to develop also. this hasnt changed for ages so im sure why we pointing this out now its old news im sure the club is accutely aware of.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Our problem is more that our small players aren't versatile. Kingy, Nahas, Ellis, Edwards, Connors, O'hanlon, Newman, Houli, Batchelor, Conca, Morris even Grigg to a degree are unable, or not ready to play in the guts when it's their turn. After our primary rotation we've got nothing. Showed badly against Adelaide, as our key mids tired the rest got towelled. A few will never be able to rotate and these are the guys we should be looking at upgrading at the earliest opportunity others like Conca and Ellis we have to hope will build the strength and nous to be able to compete.

We've improved our defensive structures next thing we need to invest in is our stoppage and clearance work setups. Too many times I see our rucks getting first hands on it and our midfield not roving it.

I can understand why we didn't cut too deep last year but this year we need to get 5 picks ND atleast. Hopefully a top line mid talent and then a mature aged mid in the preseason to give us some depth.It's clear Nahas/King combo is two players to do the job of one. With any luck a quality small will be there for our second round pick

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