So why does Adams escape the spotlight. How do you think he went as skipper?

[jmac70]

Precisely. When he was something of an afterthought because all the attention was going to Pendlebury and Sidebottom

Jesus H Christ!
Guy plays well in a Grand Final, inspires his teammates, leads by example, and it STILL isn’t good enough to be a leader! Gee whiz!

 

[Sea fog]

Adams nearly got us over the line in the 2018 grand final, carrying the midfield almost single handedly.

Precisely. When he was something of an afterthought because all the attention was going to Pendlebury and Sidebottom

The Eagles mids collectively beat our group. Pendles and Sidebottom were ordinary but Adams wasn't a worldbeater, and he marred his work by costing us a goal in a tight contest in which we went down by under a goal. He gets overpowered too easily by bigger mids which is a worry for someone who is a leader. Also on Fox they highlighted last night how Adams paying no respect to Serong at the first bounce in the last quarter gave them that early goal which set the ball rolling.

 

[sr36]

The Eagles mids collectively beat our group. Pendles and Sidebottom were ordinary but Adams wasn't a worldbeater, and he marred his work by costing us a goal in a tight contest in which we went down by under a goal. He gets overpowered too easily by bigger mids which is a worry for someone who is a leader.

Adams isn't a superstar. But he's a good solid player. His two bad games this year have been when captain where he's suddenly acquired the fumbles. It wouldn't surprise me if the captaincy has resulted in him trying too hard and snatching at the footy. That doesn't make him a bad leader. It just means that he's yet to adjust to the role and learnt to play his normal game despite the title. I'm not sure why the title means that he has to be dominant. Our last two premiership captains certainly weren't.

 

[jmac70]

The Eagles mids collectively beat our group. Pendles and Sidebottom were ordinary but Adams wasn't a worldbeater, and he marred his work by costing us a goal in a tight contest in which we went down by under a goal. He gets overpowered too easily by bigger mids which is a worry for someone who is a leader. Also on Fox they highlighted last night how Adams paying no respect to Serong at the first bounce in the last quarter gave them that early goal which set the ball rolling.

You have no comprehension what was required for Adams to perform at the level he did in the grand final. The sacrifice, dedication and bravery. Which is why your opinion is completely wrong.

 

[Sea fog]

Adams isn't a superstar. But he's a good solid player. His two bad games this year have been when captain where he's suddenly acquired the fumbles. It wouldn't surprise me if the captaincy has resulted in him trying too hard and snatching at the footy. That doesn't make him a bad leader. It just means that he's yet to adjust to the role and learnt to play his normal game despite the title.

But leadership is also about how you organise your soldiers and the word from the inside is that he disappointed our hierarchy because he did not give directions at centre bounces. No getting away from the opening bounce of the last quarter against Freo either when he allowed his direct opponent to set up the goal.

 

[gouki88]

Jesus H Christ!
Guy plays well in a Grand Final, inspires his teammates, leads by example, and it STILL isn’t good enough to be a leader! Gee whiz!

There’s an ocean sized gulf between being a leader and being the captain of a club. Sam Mitchell is a prime example of this. You’re getting really worked up about Adams’ failings for no real
reason.

 

[jmac70]

But leadership is also about how you organise your soldiers and the word from the inside is that he disappointed our hierarchy because he did not give directions at centre bounces. No getting away from the opening bounce of the last quarter against Freo either when he allowed his direct opponent to set up the goal.

Did you learn that playing mixed netball?

 

[jmac70]

There’s an ocean sized gulf between being a leader and being the captain of a club. Sam Mitchell is a prime example of this. You’re getting really worked up about Adams’ failings for no real
reason.

He’s had 2 games as captain. Pendles had plenty of crap games as captain. What we need to do is stop eating our own.

 

[Sea fog]

I don't care if you think he is a good leader. I am happy for you to think it as long as Adams is not our next skipper.

 

[jmac70]

I have learned over the years that Adams is someone you don't want to criticise.

Crap

 

[jmac70]

I don't care if you think he is a good leader. I am happy for you to think it as long as Adams is not our next skipper.

It doesn’t matter what you think. The club will choose the best candidate.

 

[gouki88]

It doesn’t matter what you think. The club will choose the best candidate.

Because clubs have never gotten that wrong, right?

 

[jmac70]

Because clubs have never gotten that wrong, right?

Doesn’t matter. Players choose their leaders.

 

[gouki88]

Doesn’t matter. Players choose their leaders.

... what? If you think it doesn’t matter that players can choose incorrect people for captaincy I don’t know what to tell you.

 

[jmac70]

... what? If you think it doesn’t matter that players can choose incorrect people for captaincy I don’t know what to tell you.

Please name all the wrong Collingwood captains.

 

[sr36]

But leadership is also about how you organise your soldiers and the word from the inside is that he disappointed our hierarchy because he did not give directions at centre bounces. No getting away from the opening bounce of the last quarter against Freo either when he allowed his direct opponent to set up the goal.

Honestly, I find it hard to believe that Adams intentionally neglected to do something that was expected of him. If what you're saying his true, I suspect that it falls on the coaches for not prepping him properly. And frankly as a vice captain, if that's an expectation of the captain, he should have been well and truly had it ingrained and drilled in training and in matches whilst Pendles rotated over the last two years. Frankly, if the coaches feel that, rather than pointing the finger at him, they should be pointing the finger at themselves.it would suggest that they'd taken the luxury of Pendles for granted

 

[gouki88]

You are taking crap.

Almost as crap as the seeming invulnerability the title of captaincy bestows upon Taylor Adams, even when he’s wilted twice in a row as skip.

Maybe it’s the lack of other leaders like Howe as well as Pendlebury, but it’s unimpressive regardless.

 

[jmac70]

Almost as crap as the seeming invulnerability the title of captaincy bestows upon Taylor Adams, even when he’s wilted twice in a row as skip.

Maybe it’s the lack of other leaders like Howe as well as Pendlebury, but it’s unimpressive regardless.

Sounds like you are blaming him for the loses. Seems unfair in a team game.

 

[gouki88]

Sounds like you are blaming him for the loses. Seems unfair in a team game.

I never tried to blame him. I just think he’s not suited for this role. He’s also not good enough to be the best mid on a contending team.

There were many worse players against Freo (Phillips, Thomas and Mayne spring to mind as the worst of the worst), and the coaching + selection was more to blame than anything.

 

[sr36]

I am not saying that he deliberately neglected it, more that he seemed to lack the capacity to do it in the way that Pendles does and it resulted in a disorganised unit.

Assumedly if this is an expectation, he would have done a heap of work on it and the coaches would know if he's any good at it. If he isn't, why was he doing it - coaches fault for giving him the role. If he is usually good at it, he just had a bad day in his debut in the role. If it is an expectation and he hasn't done a heap of work on it or the coaches didn't know if he was any good at it- coaches fault.

 

[jmac70]

I never tried to blame him. I just think he’s not suited for this role. He’s also not good enough to be the best mid on a contending team.

There were many worse players against Freo (Phillips, Thomas and Mayne spring to mind as the worst of the worst), and the coaching + selection was more to blame than anything.

He doesn’t have to be the best mid. I think you will find that Adams is far from done when it comes to the future captain.

 

[Sea fog]

Assumedly if this is an expectation, he would have done a heap of work on it and the coaches would know if he's any good at it. If he isn't, why was he doing it - coaches fault for giving him the role. If he is usually good at it, he just had a bad day in his debut in the role. If it is an expectation and he hasn't done a heap of work on it - coaches fault.

He was skipper and the most experienced mid out there. Sidebottom was missing too, Wills is inexperienced, it is not Treloar's caper.

 

[sr36]

He was skipper and the most experienced mid out there. Sidebottom was missing too, Wills is inexperienced, it is not Treloar's caper.

But whenever Pendles is on the bench, it's the same situation. Basically the only way your story makes sense is that he struggled in his debut in the role. Or the coaches were negligent in not prepping him or knowing about a weakness. There is a tall bloke also in that group, who probably is in the best position to know how where he going to try to put the ball or stop it from going. .

 

[Sea fog]

But whenever Pendles is on the bench, it's the same situation. Basically the only way your story makes sense is that he struggled in his debut in the role. Or the coaches were negligent in not prepping him or knowing about a weakness. There is a tall bloke also in that group, who probably is in the best position to know how where he going to try to put the ball or stop it from going. .

Yeah but we know Grundy struggles a bit with connection with his mids. Of course all players are rotated, but clearly when Pendles is there he sets up the structures. You can see that the defensive structure during the Essendon match was a bit awry because Howe was missing for the first time but they have adjusted despite losing some more personnel.

 

[Carringbush2010]

He’s a decent piece but he isn’t a point-of-difference midfielder. We only have one of those and he’s in his twilight.

Treloar is a hardworking accumulator and Sidebottom is a dual sided diesel engine who cannot break a tag.

We don’t have any A-grade mids after Pendlebury. Tonight was a glimpse into the future.

The "is our window closing?" thread is scared of this blunt reality post.