Something needs to be done!

[Adelaide Hawk]

WARNING!!! Don't buy Guy Sebastian's CD ... pure crap.

 

[Portmagpies]

On phrase sums up this entire thread - old farts.

 

[Danni]

Originally posted by Portmagpies
On phrase sums up this entire thread - old farts.

And if that means is still loving the music of your fave band from 20 years ago, appreciating a wider variety of sounds than you used to, and enjoying musical ability more than manufactured sounds, then so be it.

 

[Lensen]

I really don't understand why people who like music played by people with guitars and drums are better people than those played by people with synthesizers and keyboards.

 

[lioness]

I find it strange when people feel somehow inferior to others who like different music. I like what I like and I honestly don't give a crap what others think of that. And same with people who like music other than what I like, it's their choice.

Even if you happen to be the world's biggest ABBA fan, so what. It makes you happy so why should you have to feel like there's something wrong with it.

 

[David Votoupal]

Don't dish ABBA, I love the songs "Dancing Queen" and "Super Trooper"

The reason a lot of us are dismayed with current music trends among Australia's young are simple.

- people don't appreciate real talent
- people buy something based purely on image rather than real talent
- people aren't thinking for themselves and seem to follow what TPTB in Hollywood wants them to

FFS, where's our own cultural identity? That's EXACTLY what's at stake here!!! Why must we let our country's kids fall into that sort of commercialised slosh?

Now you know what's a good thing about being a Blue, it's more than supporting a great club it's also about culture and in this case you really have to be a rocker! I stand up and say "I'll sing the blues if I want"

 

[Nic]

Originally posted by David Votoupal

The reason a lot of us are dismayed with current music trends among Australia's young are simple.

- people don't appreciate real talent
- people buy something based purely on image rather than real talent
- people aren't thinking for themselves and seem to follow what TPTB in Hollywood wants them to

Current music trend yes, but not exactly a new one.

 

[lioness]

Originally posted by David Votoupal
Don't dish ABBA, I love the songs "Dancing Queen" and "Super Trooper"

hahaha I KNEW someone would say that. I wasn't saying anything against ABBA at all, but it's fair to say that they aren't taken seriously by everyone, that's why I used them as an example. Hell, I'm a Beach Boys fan I know all about stigma.

Originally posted by David Votoupal

The reason a lot of us are dismayed with current music trends among Australia's young are simple.

- people don't appreciate real talent
- people buy something based purely on image rather than real talent
- people aren't thinking for themselves and seem to follow what TPTB in Hollywood wants them to

FFS, where's our own cultural identity? That's EXACTLY what's at stake here!!! Why must we let our country's kids fall into that sort of commercialised slosh?

And fair enough, I agree actually. However you can't make people like a certain type of music. They have to decide it all on their own. You can offer alternatives and maybe they'll gravitate towards those, but the more you try and tell them they're wrong, the more they'll cling to this crap and it'll never go away.

Besides, isn't it the same with a band like the Beach Boys??? Image says they're a surf/car band, etc and people stay away from their music. Isn't that ignoring real talent on the basis of image too?

Or groups like The Monkees. Totally maufactured, they didn't form in a garage or anything like that, they were four actors/musicians who answered an ad in a newspaper. Their music for the first few albums was chosen by others for the most part - on their earliest hits they didn't sing backing vocals or play on the songs at all. Yet if you listen to their later stuff when the TV show was over and they had creative control, that is REALLY good stuff. Same with the Partridge Family...David Cassidy has real talent also.

It's happened all the way through.

 

[Danni]

Originally posted by L-Nizzy
I really don't understand why people who like music played by people with guitars and drums are better people than those played by people with synthesizers and keyboards.

I'm not saying that at all. Infact some of my favourite songs contain some amazing synthsizer arrangements. They also contain guitar, bass, drums, hell even some have tamborines as well!

I suppose when I say 'manufactured' I am referring to what you hear on the radio/tv/cd etc cannot be reproduced to a comparable level in a live performance. And there is plenty of that around these days.

 

[Mog]

People bitch and moan about popular music today but it's beent hat way ever since Elvis swung his pelvis. Evil rock music, in the 50's and 60's and 70's, new wave and punk and cokk rock and NKOTB, then 2Unlimited style stuff and so on. In 20 years time people will look at the music now and consider it with the same fondness that some poeple do for Duran Duran or the Rolling Stones. The kids are stupid, but they'll grow out of it.
Besides, I'd presonally rather not have the sort of stuff I like plastered all over the charts - it's much more special to me if I feel it's a bit more exclusive. I can confirm my superiority...

 

[David Votoupal]

All that's just been said is true, but today what do we see? It's more blatant than ever, and the evidence... Holly Valance! Have you ever seen anyone so totally devoid of talent, not to mention a more unoriginal way to launch a music career... can't believe people actually fell for it!

Hence I'm gonna help front the anti-Holly crusade Anyone wanna sign up for it?

 

[lioness]

Originally posted by Mog

Besides, I'd presonally rather not have the sort of stuff I like plastered all over the charts - it's much more special to me if I feel it's a bit more exclusive. I can confirm my superiority...

That's kind of how the majority of Beach Boys fans feel.....we'd like the band to get fully recognised for the different styles they cover that people just don't know about, but then again.......there's that feeling of having it unspoiled......

VERY mixed feelings about Brian Wilson's 2004 SMiLE tour and the release of the sessions after 37 years (if it happens). I mean it'd blow a few minds but.......it's ours!!!!!!!!

Oh well.

 

[Carlos]

Originally posted by David Votoupal
All that's just been said is true, but today what do we see? It's more blatant than ever, and the evidence... Holly Valance! Have you ever seen anyone so totally devoid of talent, not to mention a more unoriginal way to launch a music career... can't believe people actually fell for it!

Hence I'm gonna help front the anti-Holly crusade Anyone wanna sign up for it?

I think the fact that her latest release has sold a meagre total of about 1500 copies in Australia and is nowhere near the top 100 at the moment says that people are hearing you loud and clear Dave!

 

[The Passenger]

My biggest gripe is when "artists" with little to no talent make it through the ranks on the back of smart marketing. i.e. 50 cent, the vast majority of popular rap artists and a lot of rnb.

None of that stuff is in my taste of music, but people that do actually have some sort of musical talent that have made it in those regions are people like tupac (could sing), delta can actually sing a bit as much as she ****s me, same with beyonce, and there are others but can't be bothered to name em all.

Its people like Holly Vallance, 50 cent, eminem, bardot (sophie monk) etc,. etc,. that really **** me off.

Unfortunately the vast majority of popular artists are in the latter group not the former group.

 

[The Passenger]

Originally posted by Nic
Current music trend yes, but not exactly a new one.

not a new one, but at the moment those trends seem to be far more prevelant than ever.

 

[Portmagpies]

Sooky, sooky la la...

There's a simple solution to all this - don't watch video hits, don't listen to the radio, pop in a CD and then you won't have to endure the likes of Guy Sebastian, Delta, 50 Cent et al.

That's what I do.

 

[BlahzeyBlah]

Like a lot of people in this thread I used to get angry and frustrated at the state of the popular/mainstream/commercial music industry. As a fan of Rap/Hip Hop, it was hard seeing the genre which I supported basically get prostituted by corporations when they realised the money making potential of what was once a shunned and overlooked brand of music.

Now I've just come to accept that that's the way things are. Underground Hip Hop has had something of a revival and because of that there is a lot of good music out there to be found and heard. I think half the fun of music is sifting through a few bad albums to find that one album that is truly classic, buying it, and then sharing it with friends and putting new people onto the artist and/or album.

As some people said above, if you don't like it, don't listen to it. It might be mildly annoying to see these artists becoming successful or thrown in your face every few minutes on television, but I don't see why it should get to you that much. Just because a few million people are swallowing the garbage, doesn't mean you have to. That's the way the world is these days, it's all about mass consumption and mainstream music is the perfect example of this.

 

[Mr Chuckles]

People should also remember that the megabucks the major record companies rake in from the terrible big-selling chart performers are what makes it possible for them to finance the truly talented artists who are producing the music worth listening to, from whom the record companies generally make very little money or possibly even a loss. To some extent, that means this horrible music being lapped up by the moronic masses is a necessary evil.

 

[David Votoupal]

Originally posted by Carlos
I think the fact that her latest release has sold a meagre total of about 1500 copies in Australia and is nowhere near the top 100 at the moment says that people are hearing you loud and clear Dave!

Best news of all, no doubt! Can you post the link to the sales figures so I can have a laugh?

Who's going to remember her in a decade's time, apart from the music historians?

 

[Minkus_Swan]

What's with the "Top 50"? So, let's find out which record company is going to purchase their artist lastest single this week. Sounds like fun!

Seriously, why do people think that being 35th in the aria charts mean it's a better or more popular album than the one that's 45th?

Music doesn't need to be ranked, it just needs to be appreciated by the listener. That is what's great about music.

 

[moistie]

Originally posted by Carlos
Because i have to grit my teeth and regurgitate this crap, i choose to try and be blisffuly ignorant at all other times and simply refuse to listen to any form of FM radio, and instead listen to what i choose to listen to.

Thats the key here people: choice.

Fair enough. I'd hate to be in your position. I've gladly remained ignorant of the pop charts for a number of years now. All I'll say is if you wish to hear quality new music (and there is plenty out there) and you live in Melbourne, just listen to PBS and RRR. Sure, their programming can be hit and miss so you've got to pick your slots, but you'll hear the best new music months, if not years before commercial radio gets hold of it, if they ever do.

 

[moistie]

Originally posted by Portmagpies
On phrase sums up this entire thread - old farts.

Seriously, how many people are still going to be listening to Brittany Spears, 50 Cent or Guy Sebastian in ten years time? Or in Guy Sebastians case, next year? If listening to quality music that has stood the test of time makes me an old fart, then I'll happily cop that than listen to any of the pap on commercial radio nowdays.

 

[moistie]

Originally posted by Black Thunder
Its people like Holly Vallance, 50 cent, eminem, bardot (sophie monk) etc,. etc,. that really **** me off.

Won't argue with you on these, except Eminem (not that I have any of his albums). Sure, he's a huge marketing construct, but at least he writes his own interesting lyrics, has a sense of humour and has a flow to his rhymes that pretty much any other rapper in the world would kill for.

 

[David Votoupal]

Originally posted by moistie
Seriously, how many people are still going to be listening to Brittany Spears, 50 Cent or Guy Sebastian in ten years time? Or in Guy Sebastians case, next year? If listening to quality music that has stood the test of time makes me an old fart, then I'll happily cop that than listen to any of the pap on commercial radio nowdays.

 

[The Passenger]

Originally posted by moistie
Won't argue with you on these, except Eminem (not that I have any of his albums). Sure, he's a huge marketing construct, but at least he writes his own interesting lyrics, has a sense of humour and has a flow to his rhymes that pretty much any other rapper in the world would kill for.

I agree with what you say about Eminem, but really none of that is anything to do with music.

He is a good writer. Probably should've been a poet.

But the words he uses, if not a little over the top at times, lose a lot of their meaning by the way he delivers them.