Song Contest Part XXIV, Host: Chipmunk, Theme: Kris Kringle, Votes Due: Sunday 10pm AEDT

[JHF1870]

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I found Halocraft IO not long ago. It's in my liked list with 6 other songs. Didn't put it into a playlist though.

 

[JHF1870]

If we put this to a vote it’s a no from me ie keep the BM . For multiple reasons - it provides incentive to listen to even the most horrible seeming track until the end to see if it remains bad , it serves as a tiebreaker and no Christmas is complete without a grinch. It can be renamed Grinch for the round

Agree partly but tie breaker COULD also come from countback just like the winner. Sometimes rounds bring about songs with significant personal meaning. Nobody wants to be shat on for a song that has personal and emotional significance.

 

[JHF1870]

Looks like my 5 in a row nominations is coming to an end and even more surprising is that I wansn't even the first to nominate Meg. Surprised given the average vote count. I can only hope the nommer is being nice

 

[MWPP]

Agree partly but tie breaker COULD also come from countback just like the winner. Sometimes rounds bring about songs with significant personal meaning. Nobody wants to be shat on for a song that has personal and emotional significance.

I’ve had far more Billies over my years in the sc than wins and also more Billie’s than probability etc and I still disagree. Countback just isn’t as effective. It would result in too many ties . Almost all my nominations have a significance . But it’s easy enough to accept that people simply don’t share the same taste. Music taste is subjective. It being personal and emotional isn’t a reason to not judge it. At least this time we released links.

 

[JHF1870]

I’ve had far more Billies over my years in the sc than wins and also more Billie’s than wins etc and I still disagree. Countback just isn’t as effective. It would result in too many ties . Almost all my nominations have a significance . But it’s easy enough to accept that people simply don’t share the same taste. Music taste is subjective. It being personal and emotional isn’t a reason to not judge it. At least this time we released links.

I don't disagree. The billy itself isn't necessarily the issue, it's the trashing of songs afterward. Something I took on board some time ago. If I don't like a song, I'll state what I didn't like about it, or what didn't resonate with me, or as in the case of last round I didn't say anything at all for a song I didn't get at all because it sounded like every other one of their songs. I know a song a while back that got trashed the **** out of and it had particular significance to the person who nominated it.

 

[MWPP]

I don't disagree. The billy itself isn't necessarily the issue, it's the trashing of songs afterward. Something I took on board some time ago. If I don't like a song, I'll state what I didn't like about it, or what didn't resonate with me, or as in the case of last round I didn't say anything at all for a song I didn't get at all because it sounded like every other one of their songs. I know a song a while back that got trashed the **** out of and it had particular significance to the person who nominated it.

Well the problem isn’t the billy then is it?

And I don’t see people trashing songs either at the time or afterwards

If you’re citing an example from a while back as an example I have to conclude it’s not a regular issue

I also don’t see how ditching the billy would stop people from trashing songs

If anything I don’t trash songs but not having the outlet to say which song got my Billy (if none exists) would lead to me effectively beginning to trash my least favourite songs

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

If the receiver billies the giver, it should be worth double billies.

 

[MWPP]

If the receiver billies the giver, it should be worth double billies.

So by that logic if the receiver voted for the giver it’s worth half votes?

Yeah, not in favour of either scenario

 

[Hydatina Physis]

So by that logic if the receiver voted for the giver it’s worth half votes?

Yeah, not in favour of either scenario

Surely the logic would be double votes.

 

[MP_]

If the receiver billies the giver, it should be worth double billies.

 

[MWPP]

Surely the logic would be double votes.

My logic was that votes that are being gifted are worth less than a regular round . But I still disagree with your way as well as mine and the original suggestion.

 

[MWPP]

 

[Fossie 32]

Well the problem isn’t the billy then is it?

And I don’t see people trashing songs either at the time or afterwards

If you’re citing an example from a while back as an example I have to conclude it’s not a regular issue

I also don’t see how ditching the billy would stop people from trashing songs

If anything I don’t trash songs but not having the outlet to say which song got my Billy (if none exists) would lead to me effectively beginning to trash my least favourite songs

We could do the sixth favourite instead of the worst, would work out just as well as a tie breaker. Sure it’s all just personal taste but who wants to hear that in everyone’s personal opinions a song you love is the worst on the list?

 

[Stokey]

Ignoring that I’ve Billied them a couple of times, Royel Otis has appeared in a BBC best new acts for 2026 list. Could be a sign they’ll break through more in Europe / US next year Loonerty MC Bad Genius !

BBC Sound of 2026 shortlist: 10 acts you'll be obsessed with next year

The list tips new music for the coming year, following previous winners like Adele, Haim and Chappell Roan.

www.bbc.co.uk

Geese also on this list Stokey

They are putting some cash behind Geese here. Was in Angel Station yesterday and every poster on way to platforms was promoting the new album.

 

[MWPP]

We could do the sixth favourite instead of the worst, would work out just as well as a tie breaker. Sure it’s all just personal taste but who wants to hear that in everyone’s personal opinions a song you love is the worst on the list?

It isn’t quite.

And I’m fine with hearing that a song I love is someone else’s worst. And that’s for the reason you said - it’s all personal taste anyway. Plus the song contest taste isn’t my demographic so I can’t expect it to be my musical demographic either

 

[spudmaster]

We could do the sixth favourite instead of the worst, would work out just as well as a tie breaker. Sure it’s all just personal taste but who wants to hear that in everyone’s personal opinions a song you love is the worst on the list?

 

[Dont_be_a_Plonka]

I don’t see people trashing songs either at the time or afterwards

Well I've been busy.

 

[Fossie 32]

It isn’t quite.

And I’m fine with hearing that a song I love is someone else’s worst. And that’s for the reason you said - it’s all personal taste anyway. Plus the song contest taste isn’t my demographic so I can’t expect it to be my musical demographic either

What did you mean by 'It isn’t quite.'?
Is your reasoning for keeping the BM to split songs on same number of votes? That's the main reason I have noticed for keeping it.
If the idea of using the 6th best instead works just as well, why not do that instead?

 

[MWPP]

What did you mean by 'It isn’t quite.'?
Is your reasoning for keeping the BM to split songs on same number of votes? That's the main reason I have noticed for keeping it.
If the idea of using the 6th best instead works just as well, why not do that instead?

I have multiple reasons, and the tie break is only one of them

 

[MWPP]

In any case replacing the billy with a 6 changes the entire scoring structure altogether - so still not in favour

 

[Fossie 32]

In any case replacing the billy with a 6 changes the entire scoring structure altogether - so still not in favour

I can't see how, it would just be another song that doesn't get a vote that goes toward the total

 

[MWPP]

I can't see how, it would just be another song that doesn't get a vote that goes toward the total

Because it’s a total. As opposed to having a separate, independent tally to separate out ties.

 

[MWPP]

Unless you’re proposing renaming the Billy to a 1 (but it’s still least favourite song not 6th favourite) and the 1’s are tallied separately rather than in the total which isn’t really a change in how it’s counted, just a change of the name. Still against because then what do we do about avatars? 1 related?

 

[spudmaster]

Plus the song contest taste isn’t my demographic

Hey, I am!

 

[MWPP]

Hey, I am!
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Haha I meant on a sc population level

There are happy individual exceptions my friend

I’ve missed your contributions so it’s great to have you back!

Your gift got my 5