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Originally posted by BomberGal
The biggest problem today is that English, particularly Year 12, focuses on the actual content - topic, relevance, all that sort of stuff, rather than what you'd think was important in English - spelling, grammar, syntax, punctuation, etc.
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It'd be assumed that anyone sitting an English exam would already know that stuff well enough and if they didn't, what were they doing for 11 years of their schooling life? If anyone is doing an english course to get into uni and can't spell or use efficient grammar then you'd have to be wonder about what their doing there in the first place.
 
Originally posted by BomberGal
But I digress. Re the topic: whether cameras are revenue raisers or not, surely the easiest solution is to not speed at all. A 100km/h speed limit is there for a reason; it doesn't say "100 give or take five." As for speedos, if they are more than 3km/h out (which is also the tolerance on the limit), then it's your problem, not the cops' - get it fixed. I don't understand how people can possibly whinge about speed cameras - JUST DON'T SPEED. Argh. If you do, you probably deserve to pay ridiculous fines.
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And you've based that advice on your vast driving experience...
 
Originally posted by Blues4Life
If anyone is doing an english course to get into uni and can't spell or use efficient grammar then you'd have to be wonder about what their doing there in the first place.
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Judging from the greatest abusers of the language that I know, most likely a business degree.

And its "they're". ;)
 
I think the best solution is for self-policing. If you get a speeding fine and feel that you deserve it, then you pay it. If not, you simply let the authorities know that you didn't deserve it, and they let you off.

Case in point, the Eastern Freeway. It is perfectly safe to sit at 110 on this stretch of road even though the limit is 100. And at 3am, outbound, no-one else is on the road and I feel perfectly safe sitting at about 125. If I lost my licence for that I would be extremely shirty.
 

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Originally posted by BomberGal
But I digress. Re the topic: whether cameras are revenue raisers or not, surely the easiest solution is to not speed at all. A 100km/h speed limit is there for a reason; it doesn't say "100 give or take five." As for speedos, if they are more than 3km/h out (which is also the tolerance on the limit), then it's your problem, not the cops' - get it fixed. I don't understand how people can possibly whinge about speed cameras - JUST DON'T SPEED. Argh. If you do, you probably deserve to pay ridiculous fines.
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Excellent comment.

I remember the Police Commissioner on TV here last year saying that he wanted to ping people going 2km over the limit. Although that was probably going a bit overboard, he did re-iterate the valid point that the prescribed speed limit was the MAXIMUM speed allowable.
 
Anyone who believes it is possible to drive and not occasionally peak over the speed limit is either deluding themselves, not a regular driver, drives well below the speed limit, or drives a bomb which requires the accelerator to be mashed down and wait 5 minutes before the car speeds up!!
 
Originally posted by Jars458
Low blow

I have been drving for 14 years and agree with that.
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Well I've been driving for 18 years and I don't agree it is that simple. I don't drive fast and I've only had 3 (maybe 4 shortly) speeding fines in that time, so I'm not out to defend hoon drivers or those perpetual speed demons. However, occasionally popping above the speed limit is not the cause of most accidents and significant fines for these cases is simply a revenue raiser.
 
Originally posted by NMWBloods
However, occasionally popping above the speed limit is not the cause of most accidents and significant fines for these cases is simply a revenue raiser.
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How are police/cameras supposed to differentiate between who is speeding and who has accidentally gone over the speed limit?
 
Originally posted by NMWBloods
However, occasionally popping above the speed limit is not the cause of most accidents and significant fines for these cases is simply a revenue raiser.
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I agree with that, but say again taht this is not a problem.

If you do the crime you do the time.

We have to raise revenue from somewhere and if its from people breaking the rules then better that than those that don't.

I admit that this can only go so far where you have a rule that is clearly ridiculous and impossible to compley with, but tht's not the case here.

At the end of the day - it can be annoying to be fined for doing 64 but its avoidable.
 
Originally posted by BomberGal
How are police/cameras supposed to differentiate between who is speeding and who has accidentally gone over the speed limit?
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I said before, to change the fine structure so that the fines for the smaller indiscretions are not as large but the fines for the larger indiscretions are much much larger. Also, placement of speed cameras is a major factor - the police need to do some research into where drivers tend to speed significantly and not simply look to get easy targets.
 

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Originally posted by Jars458
I agree with that, but say again taht this is not a problem.

If you do the crime you do the time.

We have to raise revenue from somewhere and if its from people breaking the rules then better that than those that don't.

I admit that this can only go so far where you have a rule that is clearly ridiculous and impossible to compley with, but tht's not the case here.

At the end of the day - it can be annoying to be fined for doing 64 but its avoidable.
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Firstly, I don't think the speed camera revenue is necessary for the state coffers. The State Govt should be able to manage without relying on this form of revenue.

Secondly, refer to my post above for what I think is a more sensible approach.

Finally, I agree that it's annoying and potentially avoidable, however I think the police are targetting the wrong people, and they should instead be focussing on reducing dangerous driving rather than raising money.
 
Originally posted by NMWBloods
Firstly, I don't think the speed camera revenue is necessary for the state coffers. The State Govt should be able to manage without relying on this form of revenue.

Secondly, refer to my post above for what I think is a more sensible approach.

Finally, I agree that it's annoying and potentially avoidable, however I think the police are targetting the wrong people, and they should instead be focussing on reducing dangerous driving rather than raising money.
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Its all very well to say they don't need it but its millions of dollars. Its got to come from somewhere. Or where would you propose cuts being made?


I agree with grading the fines though - that's a good suggestion


Police do also focus on dangerous driving - its not as if all they do is look after cameras which often just sit in cars at the side of the road anyway.
 
Originally posted by Jars458
Its all very well to say they don't need it but its millions of dollars. Its got to come from somewhere. Or where would you propose cuts being made?
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Govts have been able to do without this source of revenue for a long time. Better budget management would be a good start.


I agree with grading the fines though - that's a good suggestion


Police do also focus on dangerous driving - its not as if all they do is look after cameras which often just sit in cars at the side of the road anyway.
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I'm not saying they don't, however I think the speed cameras are more focussed on revenue raising than road safety, and it should be the other way around.
 

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