Games & Recreation Sporting conspiracies

[GreyCrow]

I'm curious about the Tiger Woods one. I think his body is just messed up. He clearly has looked frustrated out there.

It was convenient timing that when he went downhill a bunch of young guys started dominating and creating more interest.

2 separate issues. There were always young guys creating interest, Tiger was so good he obliterated them from the pages of magazines etc

I don't think Tiger Woods has ever had outside enemies. I don't subscribe to the theory he was 'taken down' to stop him breaking Nicklaus record.

 

[crownie]

Superbowl 50 was fixed. It was clearly going to be Manning's last game and he was finished, looked like a pensioner. Faced the MVP who was lights out all year but was a shell of himself in the game, and didn't even dive on a fumble with the game up for grabs.

and so what?

you think a game would be fixed because of that?

 

[Silent Alarm]

I don't think the NBA Finals were suss last year. Basketball isn't massively my thing but Curry is a little bit of a choker isn't he? He's a good player but he isn't the sort of strong guy to single handedly bring a team back from the brink or win a game on his own terms. Plus the Cavs had LeBron and Kyrie Irving – they had two really good players in their side.

 

[chargers 09]

I don't think the NBA Finals were suss last year. Basketball isn't massively my thing but Curry is a little bit of a choker isn't he? He's a good player but he isn't the sort of strong guy to single handedly bring a team back from the brink or win a game on his own terms. Plus the Cavs had LeBron and Kyrie Irving – they had two really good players in their side.

He's top 3 players in league.


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[Silent Alarm]

He's top 3 players in league.


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I know Steph Curry is the best basketballer in the world, if not he's up there, but much like Gary Ablett being a great footballer but a shite captain, I thought the consensus was that he goes missing far too much for how good he is.

Plus lots of very good teams have lost before in finals, and lots of good players haven't been able to bring their side over the line. It's not that remarkable.

 

[Bronwyn Bishop]

I know Steph Curry is the best basketballer in the world, if not he's up there, but much like Gary Ablett being a great footballer but a shite captain, I thought the consensus was that he goes missing far too much for how good he is.

Plus lots of very good teams have lost before in finals, and lots of good players haven't been able to bring their side over the line. It's not that remarkable.

No team had ever gone 73-9, no team had ever blown a 3-1 lead in the Finals and no player had ever been a unanimous MVP. Think about that, Jordan and LeBron, as dominant as they were/are had never done it. Golden State were 50-2 at home at home going into game 5 and just had to win one of the last 3, two of which were at home. Im not saying it was 100% rigged but it's a valid conspiracy, LeBron has been the face of the league for nearly a decade and him bringing a chip to Cleveland against arguably the best team ever is the better narrative.

 

[Gough]

No team had ever gone 73-9, no team had ever blown a 3-1 lead in the Finals and no player had ever been a unanimous MVP. Think about that, Jordan and LeBron, as dominant as they were/are had never done it. Golden State were 50-2 at home at home going into game 5 and just had to win one of the last 3, two of which were at home. Im not saying it was 100% rigged but it's a valid conspiracy, LeBron has been the face of the league for nearly a decade and him bringing a chip to Cleveland against arguably the best team ever is the better narrative.

Sturt lost two games in 1978, one of them was the Grand Final.

 

[Bronwyn Bishop]

Sturt lost two games in 1978, one of them was the Grand Final.

Yes the mighty billion dollar industry that is the SANFL rigged that one, what an earner it was for them. TV ratings were through the roof.

 

[SugarShane]

If there were both a clean and roided-up Olympics which would be your preference to watch?

Roids for sure. I'd love to see what humans could achieve with no boundaries.

I reckon the roided version would be more popular as it'd be a better athletic spectacle... however over time it'd be pushing the boundaries and they'd end up as quite grotesque and fall out of favour hugely.

There are a lot of Olympic sports where grotesquely sized bodies wouldn't help. Sprinting for example wouldn't benefit from sheer mass so it would be a challenge to find the right amount of gear to help before it started to slow you down. It wouldn't just be all ballooned body builder type bodies getting around.

 

[Silent Alarm]

There are a lot of Olympic sports where grotesquely sized bodies wouldn't help. Sprinting for example wouldn't benefit from sheer mass so it would be a challenge to find the right amount of gear to help before it started to slow you down. It wouldn't just be all ballooned body builder type bodies getting around.

Not all steroids make you massive – see cyclists.

 

[IKnowtheDog]

Forget Steriods, 40 litres of Coke is where it's at

 

[Catfish Alley]

2 separate issues. There were always young guys creating interest, Tiger was so good he obliterated them from the pages of magazines etc

I don't think Tiger Woods has ever had outside enemies. I don't subscribe to the theory he was 'taken down' to stop him breaking Nicklaus record.

I don't think there is anything in that one to be honest. Tigers shoulder is shot and he can't manage to adapt his game. Golf is very much mental and it all came together and psyched him out.

 

[the_interloper]

Not all steroids make you massive – see cyclists.

This bloke has been done multiple times for roids in MMA, you can't always go on appearance

 

[Scotland]

GSW losing Draymond Green (suss suspension) and Andrew Bogut (knee injury) really messed with their momentum in last year's finals.

 

[Firestarter]

The GSW disaster was a classic choke. That's it.

 

[Scotland]

Curry's points tallies for the finals:

11 (W)
18 (W)
19 (L)
38 (W)
25 (L)
30 (L)
17 (L)

Average 22.5 after averaging 30 for the season. He's a prolific scorer but very hot and cold. He and Thompson went 3/22 the other day against Chicago. If they're both off it brings them right back to the field, especially with Durant out who is a more consistent scorer. I mean in that game they still combined for 36 points but it took 49 shots which is a lot of potential turnovers.

 

[Richard Cranium]

No team had ever gone 73-9, no team had ever blown a 3-1 lead in the Finals and no player had ever been a unanimous MVP. Think about that, Jordan and LeBron, as dominant as they were/are had never done it. Golden State were 50-2 at home at home going into game 5 and just had to win one of the last 3, two of which were at home. Im not saying it was 100% rigged but it's a valid conspiracy, LeBron has been the face of the league for nearly a decade and him bringing a chip to Cleveland against arguably the best team ever is the better narrative.

See, I just can't buy into any of this.

The NBA was (and still is) riding Curry and GSW hard publicity wise. If you look at the NBA's youtube channel you'll see how over the top they can get ("here's Steph pretending to play football before the game with teammates" type of videos get posted every couple of weeks. Seriously). If anything, it's like they're pretending that last season didn't end the way it did, and still treat the Warriors as their #1 team.

In Curry they have more of an every man's type superstar: relatively short and skinny, not super athletic, gets his work done by way of pure skill unlike someone like LeBron, who is maybe the most physically gifted athlete ever. Throw in his good boy image and Curry has probably gone past everyone as the face of the league.

The Cavs winning last year meant that one small city was elated and LeBron's rep probably got a little bit of a clean up. The Warriors winning would've meant that the league could promote them as the greatest team of all time, and Curry as having had maybe the most amazing season of all time. If the NBA actually did go out of their way to have the Cavs win, it was a terrible business move.

 

[Bronwyn Bishop]

See, I just can't buy into any of this.

The NBA was (and still is) riding Curry and GSW hard publicity wise. If you look at the NBA's youtube channel you'll see how over the top they can get ("here's Steph pretending to play football before the game with teammates" type of videos get posted every couple of weeks. Seriously). If anything, it's like they're pretending that last season didn't end the way it did, and still treat the Warriors as their #1 team.

In Curry they have more of an every man's type superstar: relatively short and skinny, not super athletic, gets his work done by way of pure skill unlike someone like LeBron, who is maybe the most physically gifted athlete ever. Throw in his good boy image and Curry has probably gone past everyone as the face of the league.

The Cavs winning last year meant that one small city was elated and LeBron's rep probably got a little bit of a clean up. The Warriors winning would've meant that the league could promote them as the greatest team of all time, and Curry as having had maybe the most amazing season of all time. If the NBA actually did go out of their way to have the Cavs win, it was a terrible business move.

But they had the GSW wave for months leading up, had they had just won in 5 it would have been like meh, we all knew that was going to happen. I certainly think they suspended Draymond for game 5 because they wanted 7, those two extra games are worth insane amounts of money.

 

[Santana]

All Blacks being deliberately food poisoned before the 1995 WC Final.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

No team had ever gone 73-9, no team had ever blown a 3-1 lead in the Finals and no player had ever been a unanimous MVP. Think about that, Jordan and LeBron, as dominant as they were/are had never done it. Golden State were 50-2 at home at home going into game 5 and just had to win one of the last 3, two of which were at home. Im not saying it was 100% rigged but it's a valid conspiracy, LeBron has been the face of the league for nearly a decade and him bringing a chip to Cleveland against arguably the best team ever is the better narrative.

Is it possible that no team in history that was that good (73-9, 50-2, up 3-1) has ever come up against an opponent so strong?

The NBA definitely seems to have changed a lot and you have two or three dominant super teams.

Seems to me that say, the Bulls never had to contend with an opponent of the Cavs quality... the elite talent seemed to be spread around a lot more teams. A "second best" lineup like the Cavs were an amazing team.

Most of the teams the Jordan Bulls had to take down seemed to have one superstar trying to drag them over the line. Drexler at Portland, Barkley at Phoenix. It wasn't enough. Stockton and Malone a possible exceptions. The Cavs were far deeper than that and this far more formidable, especially when GSW had a stutter step.

 

[Richard Cranium]

I thought big 'conspiracy' about Woods' decline was that apparently he started getting obsessed with Navy SEAL training (like Jordan, he did it because of his dad) and his body couldn't hold up? I think he supposedly blew out his knee at one point training, and his golf went by the wayside as he become more and more obsessed and he ended up basically beating himself up too much for his (middle aged) body to cope.

 

[Marklar_33]

I'm still amazed his back caved in when he gave up rooting

 

[Cruyff14]

The AFL trying to make GWS make a Grand Final in its first few years in regards to drafting etc.

 

[Plugger35]

The AFL trying to make GWS make a Grand Final in its first few years in regards to drafting etc.

That's not really a conspiracy, the AFL have been pretty open about the fact they want and need GWS to be successful as quickly as possible to get support.

 

[Cruyff14]

Oh, and Fergie Time owns this thread.