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Great wingman though. You'd like like Chris Hemsworth compared to Kmart Josh Bootsma thereWhat a stud. You could use his pic as a contraceptive.
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Great wingman though. You'd like like Chris Hemsworth compared to Kmart Josh Bootsma thereWhat a stud. You could use his pic as a contraceptive.
Dude owns the biggest social media platform on the planet, he's the one laughing.What a stud. You could use his pic as a contraceptive.
Coming from a guy who supports a team known for stealing NGAs from other teams. Shakes my head.Geez id love to have Windhager and Owens in Richmond’s team at the moment. Cost you a packet of chips too.
Every team that had a pick in the first round had access to them.No, St Kilda had exclusive access. No other club could get near them. They have done well with NGA.
He’s the grandfather of bad coaching appointments
Steals NGAs? Tell me more.Coming from a guy who supports a team known for stealing NGAs from other teams. Shakes my head.
Saints rapidly starting to smell like North. Both clubs have zero attractiveness. No player of note will up stumps and move to either club.
Henry like Taranto and Hopper suddenly realises he's made a wrong move
Out of 100 percent of the saints Problems, I say 15-25% of the problem is Ross Lyon. the rest of the remaining %75-85 percent is everything else from the players, training staff, recruiters and other coaches.I don’t know why Ross cops the blame, the list is trash.
They have this weird ability to get one-off AA calibre seasons out of players- Dan Butler, Steele, I think Mason Wood was close- but then they just revert to potatos the year after.
Feel for them, they had a great season last year with the talent available but it’s done them a disservice. They need to hit multiple drafts.
Well 1st off if Ross Lyon was a dumb coach, he wouldn't of lasted as long as now.Ross is actually a really dumb guy
Having an ego and being confident is one thing. Which he has.
Being a thick, stupid, dumb ,thug, social climber is who he really is.
He's a snake oil guy.
I dare you to believe
I don’t think many knowledgable saints fans called him a snake oil salesman, he went all in on a very talented list for that 09-10 stretch and the bottom fell out of it in 11.Well 1st off if Ross Lyon was a dumb coach, he wouldn't of lasted as long as now.
This bloke got the saints to a grand final in 2009 and 2010. Well not surprising as saints had talent when Ross Lyon was coaching there from 2007-2011.
If Ross Lyon was dumb, he wouldn't of got Freo to a grand final in 2013. He sure as well wouldn't of lasted until 2019 if he was totally dumb.
I don't give a stuff what anyone says about Ross Lyon, I savoured every one of those 9 finals from 2012-15.
I just find it funny and ironic that anti Ross Lyon and saints fans spent 8 years from 2012-19 sinking the boots on Ross Lyon calling him a snake oil salesmen.
Yet in an ironic and funny way, the saints hired him back!
You know what?I don’t think many knowledgable saints fans called him a snake oil salesman, he went all in on a very talented list for that 09-10 stretch and the bottom fell out of it in 11.
He left cause he thought he was worth more than we did and whilst it was traumatic and tough (for both clubs, plenty of Freo people weren’t pleased about the way Harvey was treated either) I can’t blame him one bit for it.
Solid doesn't win you games of football in the AFL. Of those you mentioned, I don't think any would get a game at a top 10 club in competition with the equivalent player at that club (taking into account salary cap, experience etc). Max Kings not getting picked over Curnow, Wright, Hogan, his brother... etc. Only place he would get a game would be teams without proper key forwards like Sydney and Melbourne and then you have salary issues at those clubs having to take money from the midfield (in Sydneys case) or the backline (in Melbourne's case). Same with Battle and Howard, Hill and Henry, Steele and Crouch. Sinclair may be one, but I think recent form has conned a lot of people. He's been good the past three years but he was a bog ordinary player most of his career, maybe his poorer performance this year is a return to form rather than a form slump. Wanganeen Milera probably the only one who would get a gig and that's primarily because he's young and has upside.Very Harsh on Saint Kilda. Saints have actually been competitve most games despite the 3 wins and 8 losses record.
Saints have some solid players all over the ground.
Josh Battle and dougal howard are solid tall defenders.
Jack Sinclair, Brad Hill and Liam Henry all get rotated on the back flanks and play in the midfield.
Jack Steele and Brad Crouch are solid mids.
Up Forward there is Max King, Caminiti and Wanganeen-Milera.
North Melbourne are terrible. Forward line at least has Larkey and Zuhaar. Midfield is semi decent with Sheezel and Powell. Backline is in tatters with 3 or 4 of their back 6 injured.
I have said this before and will say it Again. I didnt mind North Melbourne doing their list Cull at the end of 2021. But what North should of done was drafted at least one or 2 tall defenders back in either the 2020 or 2021 drafts. Had North got 2 tall 195-199 cm tall defenders in the 2021 draft, they could rotate them to play every 2nd game from round 1 of 2022. By the end of 2024, thats a couple of 21 or 22 year old KPDs with 20 or 25 or 30 each under the belt.
Again, despite the saints having 3 wins from 11 games, they havent been as bad or as hopeless as North Melbourne.
Its not like the saints have been belted by 60-80 points each week.
Saints have loss Narrowly to Cats, Essendon, GWS and Port and hawks. they turn those 5 narrow losses into wins and they would have 8 wins and 3 losses.
Solid doesn't win you games of football in the AFL. Of those you mentioned, I don't think any would get a game at a top 10 club in competition with the equivalent player at that club (taking into account salary cap, experience etc). Max Kings not getting picked over Curnow, Wright, Hogan, his brother... etc. Only place he would get a game would be teams without proper key forwards like Sydney and Melbourne and then you have salary issues at those clubs having to take money from the midfield (in Sydneys case) or the backline (in Melbourne's case). Same with Battle and Howard, Hill and Henry, Steele and Crouch. Sinclair may be one, but I think recent form has conned a lot of people. He's been good the past three years but he was a bog ordinary player most of his career, maybe his poorer performance this year is a return to form rather than a form slump. Wanganeen Milera probably the only one who would get a gig and that's primarily because he's young and has upside.
Yes, my son?Dear God.
God is a GWS supporter? Saints can’t take a trickYes, my son?
Marshall, Wilkie, Sinclair, Steele, Crouch, NWM, King would get a game with anyone. (Maybe not on current form, but imagine you were picking a team pre Round 1 2024).
Hill when in form. Higgins would get a game with most teams.
Saints list isn't terrible.
The biggest problem is most of those players are 28 or more. As many have said, the Saints young group looks OK rather than uber promising.
Bottom line- St Kilda needs some diamonds to emerge from the rough. Only time will tell.
Do you think the Lyon game plan is such that it will discourage attracting free agents?This is true, though you could create a similar list for all clubs, even North Melbourne.
St Kilda is paying the price for a string of list management decisions over a 3-4 year period that grossly overstated where the club was at.
There is no easy or quick way out of that. I actually think what the club is doing now is correct.
I am a fan of Ross and SOS and believe they will set St Kilda on the correct path, though it won't be pretty for a few years, particularly when coupled with Lyon's style of play.
It’s hubris. And he’ll take the club down with him because of it.Ross is actually a really dumb guy
Having an ego and being confident is one thing. Which he has.
Being a thick, stupid, dumb ,thug, social climber is who he really is.
He's a snake oil guy.
I dare you to believe
Do you think the Lyon game plan is such that it will discourage attracting free agents?
I find it strange that AFL fans point to “the list” when it is abundantly clear when you watch the Saints, that our skill levels and ball movement, especially under pressure, are a long way off it and frankly disgraceful for a professional sports team.This is true, though you could create a similar list for all clubs, even North Melbourne.
St Kilda is paying the price for a string of list management decisions over a 3-4 year period that grossly overstated where the club was at.
There is no easy or quick way out of that. I actually think what the club is doing now is correct.
I am a fan of Ross and SOS and believe they will set St Kilda on the correct path, though it won't be pretty for a few years, particularly when coupled with Lyon's style of play.