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[Taylor]

You can't run two canons side by side. Like Marvel, you just adapt the stories that are worthwhile.

Disney wouldn't have the EU as canon, but the fans going to watch it won't care and ultimately it's about money.

The irony of there being a civil war between fans about a movie series about civil war would make for juicy marketing.

I would also expect the EU movies to be made on much smaller budgets, making them far easier to be "profitable".

 

[SM]

Disney wouldn't have the EU as canon, but the fans going to watch it won't care and ultimately it's about money.

The irony of there being a civil war between fans about a movie series about civil war would make for juicy marketing.

I would also expect the EU movies to be made on much smaller budgets, making them far easier to be "profitable".

It would be two sets of Star Wars properties effectively cannibalising the market, it would be simply insane to do.

And why would you 'expect' the EU movies to be smaller budgets? So then you're going to get fans saying they aren't faithful adaptations and getting pissed off, you'll get casual movie goers utterly confused about what movies 'matter' and what connects to what, ending up with the casual fan (i.e. the vast majority of money) giving up on the property.

 

[Taylor]

It would be two sets of Star Wars properties effectively cannibalising the market, it would be simply insane to do.

And why would you 'expect' the EU movies to be smaller budgets? So then you're going to get fans saying they aren't faithful adaptations and getting pissed off, you'll get casual movie goers utterly confused about what movies 'matter' and what connects to what, ending up with the casual fan (i.e. the vast majority of money) giving up on the property.

Oh I completely expect there to be a period of time when the crossover causes confusion and people decide which content was more entertaining - I think it will be the one with the stories written thirty years ago with long term plots already written so continuity would be easy to follow - it would force both sides to make the best product they can.

Disney can spend a lot more money trying to make their product "best" by adding in more special effects pushing budgets upwards of $250-300m - story secondary.

I would be branding the splinter studio as independent and smaller, so the product expectation isn't so flashy driven - they have to make the story and characters compelling. They would be casting relative unknowns for major roles and able to plan their shoots for ten movies at a time on constant sets and models.

That's compared to the last three Disney movies that weren't even written when the first of the trilogy was released.

Consider a story like Wraith Squadron/Iron Fist. Small cast, locations for shoots are limited, lots of shots in the same cockpit, models can be re-used since it's generic ships throughout.

The tone of the films being a grittier civil war would facilitate not needing to make the final product a beautiful work of visual art. I'm not talking Babylon 5 level of CGI, but sci fi fans can tolerate and suspend belief with painted foam rocks and painted backgrounds plenty over spending a fortune to CGI it instead for a sweeping shot.

I think it can be done cheaper and if it's the vibe of it that it's independent then the story can carry the films over the special effects.

 

[Taylor]

ending up with the casual fan (i.e. the vast majority of money) giving up on the property.

I think that's already happened, those are the people who would come back to see Luke Skywalker of 5 minutes after ROTJ and Rogue Squadron fighting the imperial remnant.

They are also the ones who buy the merch so there's a boat load of money to be made from that.

 

[JackOutback]

I think we have to stop pretending that the EU was fine literature and that it bears some overall vision. There's some great stories in there, no doubt, there's also some dross. For the most part, I want to see new stories, I've read the old EU. If I was 'fantasy booking' Star Wars, there'd be a lot fewer shows retreading old ground and that's without creating more.

 

[Taylor]

I think we have to stop pretending that the EU was fine literature and that it bears some overall vision. There's some great stories in there, no doubt, there's also some dross. For the most part, I want to see new stories, I've read the old EU. If I was 'fantasy booking' Star Wars, there'd be a lot fewer shows retreading old ground and that's without creating more.

I did use the word "some" for that very reason. I'm not a fan at all of the reborn emperor storyline in the comics and it's carrying over into the Jedi Academy Series - I think there's enough in the thrashing of Skywalker prior to taking off his father's hand and the glee of Palpatine after to suggest he felt the kiss of the dark side there.

I think there's about 20 to 30 movies potentially there with a fair bit left out.

I also think most people would find the stories new enough, just as the fans of the Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings movies did when they consumed those prior to reading the books - and you'll get the same purists who are upset over some element being Bombadill'ed out of the plot or Haldirr'd into it for creative purposes.

Heir to the Empire was written prior to the Ep1,2,3 detailing what Clone Wars meant and it heavily influences the story - but it also sets up some Guardian of the Galaxy style stories out of Kardde and his group.

Someone would need to be planning where they were going better than Disney did with the sequel trilogy, which again, wasn't even roughed out when they gave it to film makers to make something happen.

 

[SM]

I did use the word "some" for that very reason. I'm not a fan at all of the reborn emperor storyline in the comics and it's carrying over into the Jedi Academy Series - I think there's enough in the thrashing of Skywalker prior to taking off his father's hand and the glee of Palpatine after to suggest he felt the kiss of the dark side there.

I think there's about 20 to 30 movies potentially there with a fair bit left out.

I also think most people would find the stories new enough, just as the fans of the Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings movies did when they consumed those prior to reading the books - and you'll get the same purists who are upset over some element being Bombadill'ed out of the plot or Haldirr'd into it for creative purposes.

Heir to the Empire was written prior to the Ep1,2,3 detailing what Clone Wars meant and it heavily influences the story - but it also sets up some Guardian of the Galaxy style stories out of Kardde and his group.

Someone would need to be planning where they were going better than Disney did with the sequel trilogy, which again, wasn't even roughed out when they gave it to film makers to make something happen.

20 to 30 movies wtf

 

[Royces Hart]

I’d like to see an Ewoks series, made in the gritty Andor style.

 

[JackOutback]

I did use the word "some" for that very reason. I'm not a fan at all of the reborn emperor storyline in the comics and it's carrying over into the Jedi Academy Series - I think there's enough in the thrashing of Skywalker prior to taking off his father's hand and the glee of Palpatine after to suggest he felt the kiss of the dark side there.

I think there's about 20 to 30 movies potentially there with a fair bit left out.

I also think most people would find the stories new enough, just as the fans of the Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings movies did when they consumed those prior to reading the books - and you'll get the same purists who are upset over some element being Bombadill'ed out of the plot or Haldirr'd into it for creative purposes.

Heir to the Empire was written prior to the Ep1,2,3 detailing what Clone Wars meant and it heavily influences the story - but it also sets up some Guardian of the Galaxy style stories out of Kardde and his group.

Someone would need to be planning where they were going better than Disney did with the sequel trilogy, which again, wasn't even roughed out when they gave it to film makers to make something happen.

That's cause Timothy Zahn is a star, no surprise a lot of the recurring non-original characters come from his work. I don't think there's as much out there as you think and there's literally limitless storytelling opportunities if you move away from the past.

 

[SM]

That's cause Timothy Zahn is a star, no surprise a lot of the recurring non-original characters come from his work. I don't think there's as much out there as you think and there's literally limitless storytelling opportunities if you move away from the past.

It's basically zahn + the x wing books and that's it.

You could do NJO too but outside that there's not many translatable stories.

 

[skam85]

Why don’t they do a Black Mirror style anthology series of EU stuff

 

[SM]

Why don’t they do a Black Mirror style anthology series of EU stuff

By black mirror style do you just mean anthology?

 

[Taylor]

20 to 30 movies wtf

We can count them out. Thrawn Trilogy, Rogue Squadron/Wraith Squadron and you're already almost at ten - at least fifteen NJO series films - but there would be a a heap needed just to get to there.

But they won't be able to make them like they do currently with years of not writing, trying to write them in a month and then reshooting when producers don't enjoy the lack of some theme they want to incorporate into it.

 

[Taylor]

That's cause Timothy Zahn is a star, no surprise a lot of the recurring non-original characters come from his work. I don't think there's as much out there as you think and there's literally limitless storytelling opportunities if you move away from the past.

True enough, it's a big galaxy - I would just hope for Zhan style Thrawn in a bad guy because he is supremely competent so the heroes beating them feels like an actual win. I found myself asking how these people were in positions of power at all during some of their content recently.

Pretty sure during Rebels Thrawn was never beaten, his plans worked, it was some arrogant other captain ruining it trying to claim glory.

I'm not really into the evil for the sake of being evil style bad character, but it does make for easy story telling for children.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I’d like to see an Ewoks series, made in the gritty Andor style.

Lord of the Rings, but with Ewoks and Wookies.

 

[SM]

We can count them out. Thrawn Trilogy, Rogue Squadron/Wraith Squadron and you're already almost at ten - at least fifteen NJO series films - but there would be a a heap needed just to get to there.

But they won't be able to make them like they do currently with years of not writing, trying to write them in a month and then reshooting when producers don't enjoy the lack of some theme they want to incorporate into it.

There is absolutely no way anyone is making fifteen NJO films.

 

[JackOutback]

They absolutely should have made an X-Wing movie about the liberation of Coruscant after Return of the Jedi and it should have been made in place of the Solo movie. Things might have turned out a lot differently, if so.

 

[SM]

They absolutely should have made an X-Wing movie about the liberation of Coruscant after Return of the Jedi and it should have been made in place of the Solo movie. Things might have turned out a lot differently, if so.

Definitely agree. That was probably the most translatable EU. I'm still confused at the refusal to use coruscant in post rotj media beyond short cameos. It was the capitol for thousands of years but the new Republic just shuns it?

X Wing books adapted as a trilogy, some sort of Thrawn trilogy that meshes a few different pieces, but that's about it. The NJO series as it was would not translate to general audiences, but perhaps could have been a TV show, but not much else of the EU would have worked.

 

[Taylor]

They absolutely should have made an X-Wing movie about the liberation of Coruscant after Return of the Jedi and it should have been made in place of the Solo movie. Things might have turned out a lot differently, if so.

I agree with that.

The NJO series as it was would not translate to general audiences

It certainly wouldn't work if your audience is intended to include children. Way too much body horror.