Free Agency Stephen Coniglio

[footyfan1978]

If a club trades a future first-round selection, it may not trade any other future selection from that same draft. But if a club keeps its future first-round selection, it can trade any of its future selections from other rounds.

Your reading from a newspaper in 2015 that has not got the full rules clarified. It was clarified by club staff more in know of full details of rules, hence why Carlton and Hawthorn did their deal knowing how it all truly worked in 2016. I do not blame you for getting confused from article but this was cleared up well over two years ago now what the actual rules are for it.

 

[Obeanie1]

How you can possibly interpret what was said as GWS will definitely match is beyond me. No-one in this thread would agree with you on that, only that what he said doesn't rule it out. As Loken said, there is wiggle room in the statement but it absolutely cannot be interpreted as they will definitely match, as you claim.

And you have the nerve to claim it's a "logical" argument.

Takes a deep breath.

Takes another deep breath........

What you just posted supports my veiw. Thanks.

What GWS said gives them the 'wriggle room' as you put it to match or threaten to match to force a trade. To do what is best for the Giants.

Thats exactly my point.

Abasi veiw is they said they wouldnt match. Not going to happen. No match......straight to Hawks for free.

I dont agree with him/her. My veiw is the Giants will act in their best interests. Which infers they wont sit back and get shafted.

The Hawks to get Cogs as a rfa will need to put up a deal that cant be matched aka Franklin level deal. With so many uncontracted players they could end up doing that but at a massive risk.

In my opinion.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Abasi veiw is they said they wouldnt match. Not going to happen. No match......straight to Hawks for free.

No, for the 156th time, No I did not say that at all.
This has never been about him walking to Hawthorn, I have never said anything even remotely close to that. This argument is about you completely misrepresenting what was actually said by the Giants CEO.


Abasi's view is that you need to read the actual statement.
Comprehend the statement.
Don't make out like they said something that they did not.

You posted "GWS will trade if Cogs requests to go. They said that."
No, they didn't. They never did.

From the article:
"Matching theoretically makes sense but you would never want it to come to that," Matthews told the Herald Sun.
"If there are reasons they want to go, you would let them."

You instead read the text copy written by a journo prior to the actual verbal quote, and took it as gospel as a statement from the Giants.

AFL Trade Whispers: GWS Giants won’t match bid for Stephen Coniglio, Fremantle star Bradley Hill denies Hawks rumours

Trade Whispers: GWS won’t match bid, Docker denies Hawks rumours

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Obeanie1]

No, for the 156th time, No I did not say that at all.

Abasi's view is read the statement. Comprehend the statement. Don't make out like they said something that they did not.

You posted "GWS will trade if Cogs requests to go. They said that."
No, they didn't. Never did.

"Matching theoretically makes sense but you would never want it to come to that," Matthews told the Herald Sun.
"If there are reasons they want to go, you would let them."

You instead read the copy written by a journo prior to the actual verbal quote, and took it as gospel as a statement from the Giants.

AFL Trade Whispers: GWS Giants won’t match bid for Stephen Coniglio, Fremantle star Bradley Hill denies Hawks rumours

Trade Whispers: GWS won’t match bid, Docker denies Hawks rumours

www.foxsports.com.au

Well that is clear as mud.

Again comes down to interpretation.

"Matching theoretically makes sense but you would never want it to come down to that."

I interpret that as saying if a player wants out no point in matching to force them to stay as they want to move. It doesnt say the club will allow them to get shafted.

Evans also stated GWS would act in their best interests.

I interpret that to mean they wont let a player of that qualiry to walk out for one compo pick. They dont want to match and cause a sh!t fight and instead the clubs negotiate a trade.

Just like Geelong and Adelaide did.

Now you dont agree. Good for you. Thats your perogative........for the 157th time.

 

[Slick]

Well that is clear as mud.

Again comes down to interpretation.

"Matching theoretically makes sense but you would never want it to come down to that."

I interpret that as saying if a player wants out no point in matching to force them to stay as they want to move. It doesnt say the club will allow them to get shafted.

Evans also stated GWS would act in their best interests.

I interpret that to mean they wont let a player of that qualiry to walk out for one compo pick. They dont want to match and cause a sh!t fight and instead the clubs negotiate a trade.

Just like Geelong and Adelaide did.

Now you dont agree. Good for you. Thats your perogative........for the 157th time.

You're a different cat

 

[Obeanie1]

You're a different cat

Why?

Because I think GWS will approach this scenario just like Adelaide did with Dangerfield?

Push for a better outcome for their club.

Isnt that simply logical?

Was Adelaide acting 'different'' in forcing a trade?

Well I suppose it was the first time so now it wont be different will it?

 

[threesixpio]

He must be gone then, now Coniglio is overrated, a liability, and doesn't like the hard ball. Might only fetch you a tier 2 compensation at this rate


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Lol. So predictable. Love it

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Well that is clear as mud.

Again comes down to interpretation.

"Matching theoretically makes sense but you would never want it to come down to that."

I interpret that as saying if a player wants out no point in matching to force them to stay as they want to move. It doesnt say the club will allow them to get shafted.

Evans also stated GWS would act in their best interests.

I interpret that to mean they wont let a player of that qualiry to walk out for one compo pick. They dont want to match and cause a sh!t fight and instead the clubs negotiate a trade.

Just like Geelong and Adelaide did.

Now you dont agree. Good for you. Thats your perogative........for the 157th time.

This isn’t about agreeing or opinions.

There is two things here that are the basis of the argument, what was actually said and what wasn’t.

This is about you consistently stating a blatant lie, by stating that GWS said something that they didn’t

Here it is again for you.

GWS will trade if Cogs requests to go. They said that.

They did not say that at all.

As you’ve finally realized that is just your interpretation.

 

[Sixpence]

Why?

Because I think GWS will approach this scenario just like Adelaide did with Dangerfield?

Push for a better outcome for their club.

Isnt that simply logical?

Was Adelaide acting 'different'' in forcing a trade?

Well I suppose it was the first time so now it wont be different will it?

Ok, so you think GWS will match based on the likelihood they'll get more out of the trade as Adelaide did with Danger. That is fine. You're allowed to have this opinion and no-one has any issue with you having this opinion, despite what you think.

The issue people have (and why you're thought of as a "different cat"), is that you're taking a comment made by Matthews, making out like it's fact and using it to support your opinion. "GWS will trade if Cogs requests to go. They said that." Here you claimed, as fact, that GWS will force a trade. You have also done this with what Abasi has written, claiming he has made comments he simply did not make and has pointed out to you several times.

 

[Hawkie_McHawkHawk]

Why even bother guys? He knows he’s wrong but just too stubborn to admit it. Unless he has comprehension issues of course

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

Has he been carrying injuries?
I well remember Dean Cox being criticised while playing with injury, has Cogs set a high standard by which you judge him & you summarise it as regressing.

I don't believe so. It's an attitude thing. When he was trying to establish himself as an elite, he did all of the once percenters well and fought for his position in the contest. Now, he tries to sneak out the front of every pack to get an easy touch on the burst. There is a chance he's hiding a rib or sternal injury, but he doesn't seem to avoid contact, he just avoids working defensively and it's become very detrimental to our team.

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

Coniglio 2018 and 2019 stats is pretty much the same across the entire board.

Stats can be very misleading. 2019 ( and even the second half of 2018) Coniglio is a shadow of what he was in 2016/17

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

You must be right.
There is something I am not understanding.
Because not running both ways was never a problem when he played for Swan Districts.

You are correct. It was also not a problem for him through 2016 and 2017 where he was our most influential midfielder through his two-way running and incredible defensive work. He's not that player anymore.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

You are correct. It was also not a problem for him through 2016 and 2017 where he was our most influential midfielder through his two-way running and incredible defensive work. He's not that player anymore.

What do you think has led to this decline ?

 

[Obeanie1]

Ok, so you think GWS will match based on the likelihood they'll get more out of the trade as Adelaide did with Danger. That is fine. You're allowed to have this opinion and no-one has any issue with you having this opinion, despite what you think.

The issue people have (and why you're thought of as a "different cat"), is that you're taking a comment made by Matthews, making out like it's fact and using it to support your opinion. "GWS will trade if Cogs requests to go. They said that." Here you claimed, as fact, that GWS will force a trade. You have also done this with what Abasi has written, claiming he has made comments he simply did not make and has pointed out to you several times.

Ok if you and Abasi say so it must be a fact then!

I cant beleive Ive ignored my own footer advice.

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

What do you think has led to this decline ?

Him getting ahead of himself and forgetting what made him an elite player in the first place. The role hasn't changed, his attitude and workrate has. Taranto has stepped into his role in the last month and performed far better than anything Coniglio has dished up this year.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

#delist

 

[TallyHawk]

They can't change now after what they did with buddy.

The irony is the Buddy deal and subsequent removal of COLA from Swans and Giants has led to the current salary cap squeeze.


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[Kwality]

The irony is the Buddy deal and subsequent removal of COLA from Swans and Giants has led to the current salary cap squeeze.


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How far off can you be.

 

[Holy Rioli]

Oh wow how the narrative has changed

• Start of thread - early Hawthorn whispers surface but Cogs is loyal and will never leave
• Kelly has re-signed GWS are confident that Cogs will
• Whispers of other players, Carlton, WCE, Geelong St Kilda etc
• GWS start putting pressure on through the media
  • Cogs is loyal we expect him to sign in a month
  • Why would he go to Hawthorn after the Kennett comments
  • We'd rather not match as it doesn't look good
• Hawthorn whispers get louder
  • GWS will force a trade and match (even though this has never happened in AFL free agency)
  • Cogs has regressed as a player now

Has been heaps of run reading.

 

[threesixpio]

Him getting ahead of himself and forgetting what made him an elite player in the first place. The role hasn't changed, his attitude and workrate has. Taranto has stepped into his role in the last month and performed far better than anything Coniglio has dished up this year.

He’s probably distracted.

Gee it will be annoying when he gets back to his 2016/17 form under Clarko

 

[TallyHawk]

Read just fine thanks.

You read what you want to read.

Move along.

Well it shouldn't be that hard for you to do some reading and find Mathews quote that they would trade him.


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[Joao]

Yes glorious indeed but you see the outrage from everyone else if he does go RFA would far outreach anything from one supporter base. I.E more popcorn. we want more popcorn

That's selfish because only Hawks fans get to enjoy that popcorn. We are a community that should all get to bask in the glory.

2 first rounders for an RFA? You seriously think that's what it'll take if GWS match?

Nah probably not. More like the Danger deal of your 1st and 2nd.

Yeah look, if the end result is still Coniglio in a Hawks jumper I don’t think there will be too much complaining.

I think that's what Hawks fans would say at the time, but the posting in this thread would suggest otherwise (for some).

 

[threesixpio]

He will walk right in with Patton and GWS will try and salvage some coin for Lachy the following year.

But it won’t be enough

All for a pack of chips. Loving it

 

[Kwality]

He’s probably distracted.

Gee it will be annoying when he gets back to his 2016/17 form under Clarko

or Simmo.