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Hi everyone,

I've noticed some on-going speculation about Stevie J's hip, culminating in a reference to 'rumours' about it in today's article by Mike Sheahan in the Herald Sun titled 'Cat leaders keep pressure on'.

Living interstate, it's hard to gauge what substance or accuracy there is to such speculation, and therefore wonder if anyone has some well-informed information to confirm or deny it.

Obviously SJ is crucial to our forward line, so please tell me it ain't so!
 
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SJ's hip is probably my single biggest concern this year. All I have heard/read is that it's something that will need to be managed, which if true essentially means that he is ZERO chance of being as fit and nimble this year as he was early in 2009.

Such a shame, considering he appeared to be entering an even stronger vein of form than '07 and '08. Probably would have kicked 80 or 90 in the end.
 
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tiredcat said:
Trained yesterday with main group. Did everything and was moving freely.
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Not sure about Stevie J's hip but Mike also raised some intriguing points in his article.
The points I am referring to are the possible effect Stokes' actions will have on the team on the field this season (if any).
And also the snippet in the article about Ablett and the possibility of him moving to the Gold Coast.
While I agree these guys are the ultimate professionals - have a look at the past three years - they are also human and things like this would have to have some kind of an impact in the players minds surely.
I play footy and I know that if one of my close mates - and a gun player like Ablett - was contemplating playing at another club I wouldnt be overly impressed.
That aside, I think we are the most mentally strong club in the AFL now and we should be able to overcome these issues.
I am just hoping Gaz and Selwood sign on ASAP.
Thoughts???
 

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Tired Cat's reply gives some cause for optimism, but I'm confident the Geelong hierarchy has the strategy and ability to manage him through the year if needed. But gee, it'd be nice to see him running around fully fit and in form wouldn't it?!

Geelong Fan - I think the Stokes / Ablett affair is bound to have some sort of psychological effect on the other players.....................if nothing else, they're going to feel 'tainted' or 'guilty by association' with Matthew Stokes as they fend off suspicion of a perceived drug culture at Geelong, and weary / unhappy as the Ablett matter drags on.

Of the two, I think the Ablett affair will have a greater personal impact on the players, as they will feel restless with the uncertainty of his future.

Its not a good start to the year, and could have some repercussion on the players on-field confidence and cohesion. Of course, I hope I'm wildly wrong!

On the other hand, as time goes on, and justice takes its course, I think Geelong will be seen by people as having been strong and direct in its handling of Matthew Stokes, and will earn respect as a result.
 
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Cataholic said:
Tired Cat's reply gives some cause for optimism, but I'm confident the Geelong hierarchy has the strategy and ability to manage him through the year if needed. But gee, it'd be nice to see him running around fully fit and in form wouldn't it?!

Geelong Fan - I think the Stokes / Ablett affair is bound to have some sort of psychological effect on the other players.....................if nothing else, they're going to feel 'tainted' or 'guilty by association' with Matthew Stokes as they fend off suspicion of a perceived drug culture at Geelong, and weary / unhappy as the Ablett matter drags on.

Of the two, I think the Ablett affair will have a greater personal impact on the players, as they will feel restless with the uncertainty of his future.

Its not a good start to the year, and could have some repercussion on the players on-field confidence and cohesion. Of course, I hope I'm wildly wrong!

On the other hand, as time goes on, and justice takes its course, I think Geelong will be seen by people as having been strong and direct in its handling of Matthew Stokes, and will earn respect as a result.
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Yeah, if nothing else this is another HUGE TEST for this great playing group and hopefully come the end of September we can sit back marvelling at how tough and committed this team is.
 
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tiredcat said:
Trained yesterday with main group. Did everything and was moving freely.
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and apparently he's been doing so since they returned to training after Xmas.Makes me think Noddy is too lazy to go to training himself and has just gone on training reports from November.
 
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Just on the actual supposed subject of the thread (there is a whole other thread for the Ablett GC situation, does every thread have to end up there?), SJ's fitness is vital this year. He just adds such a different element to the forward line. Dunno if its just me, but in recent photos he lookes bigger in the face/upper body.
 
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hbk_aus said:
Just on the actual supposed subject of the thread (there is a whole other thread for the Ablett GC situation, does every thread have to end up there?), SJ's fitness is vital this year. He just adds such a different element to the forward line. Dunno if its just me, but in recent photos he lookes bigger in the face/upper body.
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Sorry, I didnt mean to turn this into another Ablett-Gold Coast session. I have only just started posting recently.
I agree SJ is critical to us this year given Mooney is getting older and Chapman, like SJ himself, is injury-riddled and will probably be nursed through the season.
Not sure if he has put on any bulk. Anybody know???
 
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Claude Balls said:
SJ's hip is probably my single biggest concern this year. All I have heard/read is that it's something that will need to be managed, which if true essentially means that he is ZERO chance of being as fit and nimble this year as he was early in 2009.

Such a shame, considering he appeared to be entering an even stronger vein of form than '07 and '08. Probably would have kicked 80 or 90 in the end.
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I may be in the minority here (I usually am), but I'm actually sick to death of hearing about how many players we have that will need to be managed. If you went by some of the reports on here, you'd think that Johnson, Chapman and Ottens were all missing limbs.

As far as I know, all three are in full training. Who knows, they might even be able to get out on the field for the NAB Cup, if not round 1. Imagine that.

Perhaps it might be useful to stop jumping at shadows - worry about players getting injured if and when they get injured and not before.

We've also shown we could cover Johnson - he missed the first final against the Bulldogs and we won. He put in his worst game of the season in the Grand Final and we won. The state of his hip doesn't automatically strike out our season.
 
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Unfortunately Partridge, until the footy starts all were gonna hear is, if, buts and maybe's. Don't under estimate Jonno's contribution in the GF, he took their number one scagger all day, freeing up Selwood or Ablett. They could have put my grandmother on SJ and she would have given him a bath, but they didn't work that out until it was too late.....Siren went.
 
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I don't think his hip will be a problem this year but I imagine it will need to be managed. I wouldnt expect him to play 22 H&A games as I reckon that will be too big a work load. As an example I think he might take a week either side of the mid season break. I reckon that will see him through.

Ottens has no drama's at all IMO, at 30 missing a month in the weights room is no big deal and he was still able to do the running so I'd expect him to be 100%. He does seem to be a little clumsy though but all his injuries are different and none of them seem degenerative.

Chapman is a different story. He's getting to the stage where hamstring problems could see his carreer end prematrely (similar to Buckley). He might need to reduce his TOG as it seems like his hammy's physically struggle with the workload of an AFL season.

We are actually in much better shape than I can remember for this time of year. There is not on player I am worried about.
 
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A friend of mine is mates with a couple of the boys and says they have stated they don't expect to play all games and here or there will be kept in cotton wool to avoid risking those injuries too much. Word was even if healthy Stevie would play around 15-17 games.

Of course if he was healthy there would be no reason other than poor form to sit out I would have thought but it was interesting none the less.
 

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Don't under estimate Jonno's contribution in the GF, he took their number one scagger all day, freeing up Selwood or Ablett. They could have put my grandmother on SJ and she would have given him a bath, but they didn't work that out until it was too late.....Siren went

Love it Love it- beautifully put!!!!!!
 
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There are no current medical/surgical concerns with SJ's hip. He apparently kicked 3 typical / beautiful goals the other day and we should all be optimistic- that's big , coming from me, but that IS how it is. He is doing nothing less than any other pre-season, and possibly more. The whole list by the way is being "managed". We did that last year, and did it the best of any team going around.
 
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Sounds like he's good to go for me. And I'm with Partridge - this talk of 'managing' players is irritating. If they're fit to play, they should play. I am sure general soreness will crop up every now and again, but I would hope that would be a little as possible.
 
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I think a few of you have, lets say undersold (polite way of saying you have no idea!!), the management required for particular players in the AFL. To say that SJ should only miss games if he is acutely injured is pretty naive. Look what happened to Luke Ball through mismanagement of a chronic condition. By continuing to play him he has never been able to reach his full potential.

SJ's hip injury will require management. If that means he only is capable of playing 15 games a year then so be it. It is not a matter of overstating his problem at all. It may mean that he is rested even when he is feeling ok in order to prevent it from becoming a problem down the track. Better that than playing him for 8 games and him having to miss a further 8 after that.

I would have thought it would be very unlikely that he will be able to continue his career without it flaring from time to time. We need him to be fit and firing as much as possible, particularly around finals time. We also need to try and maximize the length of his career as a whole and not see him retire prematurely as a 28 year old. We also don't need him playing if he plays the sort of footy we saw in the GF. He is a liability if he loses his mobility.
 
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Partridge said:
I may be in the minority here (I usually am), but I'm actually sick to death of hearing about how many players we have that will need to be managed. If you went by some of the reports on here, you'd think that Johnson, Chapman and Ottens were all missing limbs.

As far as I know, all three are in full training. Who knows, they might even be able to get out on the field for the NAB Cup, if not round 1. Imagine that.

Perhaps it might be useful to stop jumping at shadows - worry about players getting injured if and when they get injured and not before.

We've also shown we could cover Johnson - he missed the first final against the Bulldogs and we won. He put in his worst game of the season in the Grand Final and we won. The state of his hip doesn't automatically strike out our season.
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Dude, why do you always get in such a fluster about what other posters have to say about injuries?

I have read and heard (from Balme IIRC) that SJ's hip MAY need to be managed. That is all. Considering the nature of his injury last year (persistence and difficulty with diagnoses etc), and also the unbelievable form he was in beforehand, it seems only reasonable that a supporter might dwell on it a bit, hoping that he'll recapture his best.

I never said that he shouldn't play, just that I'm concerned...
 
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Since the error of judgement with Matt Egan it's widely accepted amongst AFL medicos from other clubs that Geelong take a low risk approach to managing injured players.

Blokes like Ottens SJ Chappy Rooke are unlikely to play 22 games ...... but then again - when have they ? I'm confident that Geelong will continue to play it smart with blokes who need managing and all their focud will again go towards having the best team available come week one of the finals (assuming that we make it again). It's a luxury we have with some good depth (ie; Mumford last year) and will serve us well again this year.
 

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I read Mike's article and was a little concerned but I'm certainly relieved by the comments by some of the posters re SJ's progress. Sounds like he is fine. Fingers crossed... although a little nervous about the measures they took to get him right for September (any long term impacts?)

Although I doubt SJ and many other players will play every game this year. I think the Cats, and other clubs learnt a lot from the tapering approach they took last year. It worked beautifully. Train hard around round 16, rest players as necessary, manage workloads, etc. Obviously, only works if you've got a couple of games up your sleeve at the top end of the ladder...

I'm also thinking the Cats might consciously put some games into the fringe players to see what they've got to offer. We've got a few players on the list who have been on the scene 2-3 years and haven't yet played a senior game. Decisions will need to be made about them.
 
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JUBJUB said:
2008 wasn't that long ago you know
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Was'nt aware of that ..... was sure he missed a few games ? Anyway you know what I'm trying to say .... he's the type of player (with his injury history) that you'd expect to miss a few.

If he's not 100% right going into games in 2010 you'd definately not risk aggrevating the problem by sending him out with a cortesone jab. From what I understand of the operation it was 100% successful with no ongoing problems.

As for Ottens ...... I'm sure he has a clause in his agreement that limits him to 15 games a year (max)
 
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TheCattery2007 said:
Obviously, only works if you've got a couple of games up your sleeve at the top end of the ladder...
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We play, Melbourne, North, Richmond only once each, which is a shame would have been nice to have 7 byes instead of 4.
 
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We managed our playing list beautifully last year. In my eyes we learnt a lot in this regard after the unsatisfactory ending to our 2008 season.

I am happy to trust the club to manage it properly again this year.

Not much to see here really. Move along.
 

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