Steve Waugh is a bloody tool

[JLC]

Originally posted by burke
I saw on the news a couple of nights ago, a story on Waugh.
"Steve W has just published his ELEVENTH book..."
did I hear correct?
I can understand Wilbur Smith, John Grisham, Tom Clancy, Steven King, even that Collins woman (my wife has all her books) writing heaps of books.
But a bloody cricketer?
What the hell has he got to write about?
How much crap can he put into words?
Eleven? Hey, I laughed when I heard that Warne had written a book, I thought, "you ain't getting my $40...but some fool will buy it" and then Warne wrote ANOTHER book...
Bevan wrote one, which amazed me...
But Waugh. Eleven????
Surely you can't be serious?
Cricket....the game is a very poor JOKE.
The game belongs in another era. 5 days of ultimate boredom.
In another, more leisurely time, when we were all unhurried and life was very slowly paced, people could sit and watch for 5 days.
Imagine some poor kid being forced to stand in the outfield for 6 hours, and only touching the ball 3 times. Is that realistic?
And the official figures for sport participation show cricket has over 1 million registered players!!
I reckon that is a manufactured number, just like TV ratings.
It cannot be believed. It is made up, to satisfy sponsors at the international level, that the game is still relevant..."it's an incredibly popular game!!!" Yeah, right.
We live in the 21st century, folks... We have mobile phones, internet, Playstation, we live very very fast, we are a society on the move, in a damn big hurry.
Cricket does not belong. It is no longer relevant.
It should have gone the way of valve radio/wireless, old-fashioned phones with a dial, and the Jitterbug.

Chopper Read also has written many books as well. Why not go bag him after all he is a criminal.

Dumb topic

jlc

 

[llosis]

Get a grip Burke.

Life must be sooo fun being you - the weight of the world upon your shoulders trying to solve life's pressing problems, like why people enjoy cricket.

Get over it little man. Go and have a lie down.

 

[burke]

Goaldrush...

In one of my responses to you, I praised the Hawks for picking Spider and having Vidovic on staff. I wasn't insulting them.
All you could do was quote my entire piece and just say "you really are a tool".
Do you actually comprehend anything you read?
Is that the extent of your intelligence?
Just out of curiosity, how old are you?
Why don't you show my posts to your teacher or your dad, and ask them to explain what I'm getting at.
You don't appear to have much grey matter.
In a battle of wits, you'd be totally outgunned.
Can't you think of anything intelligent to say to defend your sport?

 

[skipper kelly]

Have you read his books Mr. Burke?

 

[Kenny_01]

LOL burke you clown.

Times are moving so fast but you still have time to ramble on about nothing on an internet chat forum.

 

[carn_the_nmfc]

Re: Goaldrush...

Originally posted by burke
In one of my responses to you, I praised the Hawks for picking Spider and having Vidovic on staff. I wasn't insulting them.
All you could do was quote my entire piece and just say "you really are a tool".
Do you actually comprehend anything you read?
Is that the extent of your intelligence?
Just out of curiosity, how old are you?
Why don't you show my posts to your teacher or your dad, and ask them to explain what I'm getting at.
You don't appear to have much grey matter.
In a battle of wits, you'd be totally outgunned.
Can't you think of anything intelligent to say to defend your sport?

I am older than you, that's for sure.

You are a tool because all you do is pick the crap out of famous cricketers and sportstars without thinking of meeting them or posting positive stuff.

All I have seen is you posting negative stuff about them.
why don't you stop the negativity and get out of here because you really are a tool. Nobody likes you.

 

[Portmagpies]

A tool?

I don't know.

Overrated?

For sure.

 

[burke]

Mr Portmagpies...

You know, I should never have called Waugh a tool...so I agree with Mr Portmagpies.
Also agree that Waugh is over-rated.
Waugh is touted as a fantastic captain, when all he has done is carry on the work of Mark Taylor, a true legacy.
I remember back when Alan Border was captain, and Australia went to England and lost the Ashes.
At the time, the Captain (from memory) was doing a lot of coaching without much help.
Border went to the ACB on bended knee and pleaded for a full-time coach and for assistance with other issues.
He got what he wanted and they began winning.
Also, one time on an England tour, the players took a vow of chastity and left wives/girlfriends in Oz, saying something like, "We've got to be serious and have no distractions, we need to be 110% committed to the job..."
They won the Ashes that time.
And also, Mark Taylor's captaincy was highlighted by his own lack of high scores, although because he was a brilliant tactician and apparently could guide and mould the men into a true Team, he kept his spot.
Taylor left a legacy which Waugh hasn't built on, but simply kept going.

 

[KiNgCliVe26]

Re: Re: Goaldrush...

Originally posted by goaldrush


Nobody likes you.

Thats a bit rich coming from you.

 

[dr nick]

Originally posted by burke

Cricket....the game is a very poor JOKE.
The game belongs in another era. 5 days of ultimate boredom.
In another, more leisurely time, when we were all unhurried and life was very slowly paced, people could sit and watch for 5 days.
Imagine some poor kid being forced to stand in the outfield for 6 hours, and only touching the ball 3 times. Is that realistic?
And the official figures for sport participation show cricket has over 1 million registered players!!
I reckon that is a manufactured number, just like TV ratings.
It cannot be believed. It is made up, to satisfy sponsors at the international level, that the game is still relevant..."it's an incredibly popular game!!!" Yeah, right.

yeah, sort of ads to the credibility of your thought huh?

Originally posted by burke

Taylor left a legacy which Waugh hasn't built on, but simply kept going

so its true, you do know nothing about the game, so stop pretending to have followed it.

Originally posted by burke
waugh hasn't built on

laughable

back to the PS2 geek.

 

[Jars458]

Re: Hey Goaldrush

Originally posted by burke
I used to watch cricket on TV every now and again...I could go and make a coffee or do some gardening (and turn up the volume), and when I heard the roar of the crowd from the TV, I went inside to watch the replay. That's the only way to watch it.
You can't sit thru the whole thing, it's so goddam boring it ain't funny.

I used to root your mum but that got boring very quickly too.

 

[Jars458]

Re: Re: Re: Goaldrush...

Originally posted by KiNgCliVe26
Thats a bit rich coming from you.

We have the trifecta!

 

[skipper kelly]

Re: Mr Portmagpies...

Originally posted by burke
And also, Mark Taylor's captaincy was highlighted by his own lack of high scores,

Does the number 334 ring a bell.

 

[scmods]

Re: Re: Mr Portmagpies...

Originally posted by skipper kelly
Does the number 334 ring a bell.

Of course it does - it's burke's record for the number of consecutive hours spent on his PlayStation. Which, unlike cricket of course, is not a complete waste of time.

 

[Jars458]

Re: Re: Mr Portmagpies...

Originally posted by skipper kelly
Does the number 334 ring a bell.

What was Taylor's record like in his last two years OTHER than in that one innings (all be it a brilliant one).

 

[carn_the_nmfc]

Re: Mr Portmagpies...

Originally posted by burke
You know, I should never have called Waugh a tool...so I agree with Mr Portmagpies.
Also agree that Waugh is over-rated.
Waugh is touted as a fantastic captain, when all he has done is carry on the work of Mark Taylor, a true legacy.
I remember back when Alan Border was captain, and Australia went to England and lost the Ashes.
At the time, the Captain (from memory) was doing a lot of coaching without much help.
Border went to the ACB on bended knee and pleaded for a full-time coach and for assistance with other issues.
He got what he wanted and they began winning.
Also, one time on an England tour, the players took a vow of chastity and left wives/girlfriends in Oz, saying something like, "We've got to be serious and have no distractions, we need to be 110% committed to the job..."
They won the Ashes that time.
And also, Mark Taylor's captaincy was highlighted by his own lack of high scores, although because he was a brilliant tactician and apparently could guide and mould the men into a true Team, he kept his spot.
Taylor left a legacy which Waugh hasn't built on, but simply kept going.

Try bowling or batting against Steve Waugh and you will change your mind.

 

[skipper kelly]

Re: Re: Re: Mr Portmagpies...

Originally posted by Jars458
What was Taylor's record like in his last two years OTHER than in that one innings (all be it a brilliant one).

Well I suppose if you took every ones big scores out of the equation then their record would be crap.

 

[Jars458]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Mr Portmagpies...

Originally posted by skipper kelly
Well I suppose if you took every ones big scores out of the equation then their record would be crap.

Not all his big scores just that one

He had an appaling record near the end was lucky to have lasted as long as he did.

Some other players who were given little or no chacne would b mighty ****ed off that Taylor got so much leeway.

 

[Mead]

Poor poor Burke.

When even suzie is hanging **** on you, its probably time to quit.

 

[scmods]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mr Portmagpies...

Originally posted by Jars458
Not all his big scores just that one

He had an appaling record near the end was lucky to have lasted as long as he did.

Some other players who were given little or no chacne would b mighty ****ed off that Taylor got so much leeway.

Taylor had two jobs in the team. 1) Score runs. 2) Ensure Australia wins Test matches.

As long as he was doing really well at one of them, he wasn't going anywhere.

I actually think the Australian selectors willingness to allow players time to recover form is one of their greatest strengths. Our team is so settled and certain, the players can concentrate on the job at hand rather than hoping this isn't their last chance.

Obviously there's got to be a limit (and I don't think any current Australian player is close to it yet), and it probably doesn't look so good if you're a player on the outside waiting for a chance, but you can't argue with the results of the last decade.

 

[Wicked Lester]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mr Portmagpies...

Originally posted by Jars458
Not all his big scores just that one

He had an appaling record near the end was lucky to have lasted as long as he did.

Some other players who were given little or no chacne would b mighty ****ed off that Taylor got so much leeway.

Actually I think that's just how we remember it - the facts don't necessarily support the myth.

Taylor's bad trot began on the 96/97 tour of India (unless an average of 39.75 during the previous summer - Sri Lanka is bad form).

It lasted 14 tests in all, although during the 9th test of this bad run he scored 129 against England, followed by a fifty shortly afterwords.

But he played a further 17 tests after this poor run ended including the following series averages:

214 runs at 53.5
265 at 66.25
189 at 37.8
513 at 128.25 (includes the 334 not out)
228 at 22.8

This set of tests includes 4 centuries and 6 fifties.

So after his bad trot, he scored 1,409 runs at 54.2 or 1,075 runs at 43 if we remove the 334.

Not really as bad as I remember it. In some respects it may look similar to Steve Waugh's situation - a sustained period of poor form followed by a final renaissance. And who knows - if Tubby had had opportunities against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe during the final stages of his career he may have gone on a little longer.

 

[carn_the_nmfc]

Is it safe enough to call Burke a troll on this forum?

 

[Jars458]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mr Portmagpies...

Originally posted by Wicked Lester
Actually I think that's just how we remember it - the facts don't necessarily support the myth.

Taylor's bad trot began on the 96/97 tour of India (unless an average of 39.75 during the previous summer - Sri Lanka is bad form).

It lasted 14 tests in all, although during the 9th test of this bad run he scored 129 against England, followed by a fifty shortly afterwords.

But he played a further 17 tests after this poor run ended including the following series averages:

214 runs at 53.5
265 at 66.25
189 at 37.8
513 at 128.25 (includes the 334 not out)
228 at 22.8

This set of tests includes 4 centuries and 6 fifties.

So after his bad trot, he scored 1,409 runs at 54.2 or 1,075 runs at 43 if we remove the 334.

Not really as bad as I remember it. In some respects it may look similar to Steve Waugh's situation - a sustained period of poor form followed by a final renaissance. And who knows - if Tubby had had opportunities against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe during the final stages of his career he may have gone on a little longer.

I stand corrected and thank you for taking the time to produce those stats

I suppose it was that 100 against England that saved his bacon after a poor run before that, and as you say after that he did pretty well. Certainly well enough for a great captain and slip fielder to keep his spot in the side.

 

[dr nick]

yeah taylor went very well after the lean trot.. but what a lean trot. IIRC during it he must have gone 20 innings without getting a 50. but its not just the fact he didnt score runs, he didnt even look like he'd ever score runs. if he didnt get the 100 during that test or the next i have no doubt he would have been dropped (but i thought they were going to drop him before the series too)

 

[dr nick]

the trot i remember is this one:

7
25*
21
10
27
37
43
36
27
16
7
10
11
2
1
16
8
13
38
5
7
129 <- career saving innings
1
2
1
0

he's also lucky that the ashes test series went for 5 tests because he got a 70 in the fifth. If the series had have been 4 tests, even with that 100, he would have been struggling. 4 runs in the last 3 tests.