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footscray1973 said:
Sporty, there's a difference between talking him up and getting carried away.
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I agree with that, although i don't think anyone's got him billed as a superstar. Not just yet anyway.

That said, everyone gets a little carried away sometimes, and as i said, with the amount of excitment around our club at the moment, it's hard not to. :)

Everyone's appetite for success is whet at the moment, i think we could all be excused. :)
 
footscray1973 said:
Sporty, there's a difference between talking him up and getting carried away. Some people make him sound like a superstar. Chris Judd is a superstar, Will Minson is someone who could generate excitement beyond our club if he develops accordingly. All I'm saying is let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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I think that is good advice. We should be optimistic and even confident with the ability and enthusiasm on the field Minson has displayed but we shouldn't get too carried away just yet.
 

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Ching said:
Fair enough I didn't know
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He had an interrupted pre-season due to an operation so he's a few weeks behind the others with his fitness. I'm fairly sure that it was mentioned that ideally he would only play a few half games before being given a harder test.
 
Mitcha said:
Not much use being that tall if you can't influence a game of football. He is about as mobile as the Whitten oval windsock. I can't believe the club offered him a 3 year contract.
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They offered the same length of contract to Rohde (shudders at the thought).
 
Pembleton said:
You are the only person i have seen post about the intra club that has taken that view of their match up.
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Just calling it as i saw it old son. Street frustated Mison and was out positioned for every ruck contest which led to free kick being given against him on numerous occasions. My point was not to bag Wil Minson, although it may have come across that way, i was to bring awareness to the fact that he has a fair way to go before he deserves the accolades and platitudes he has been receiving on this board. Yes he is big, yes he can run through brick walls and stand in front of moving trains, but making him a cult figure for the sake of it is unfair on the player as it raises the expectation of what he can do, and this only leads to more disappointment. It's my opinion that accolades are given on performance not expectation, hence my reservation about Will, the entire Bulldogs list and our prospects for the year.
 
Pembleton said:
You are the only person i have seen post about the intra club that has taken that view of their match up.
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I consider that Street comprehensively outpointed Minson at the bounce and in ruck duels. I cannot recall Minson getting a touch. Street didn't do a lot otherwise. I recall a mark at half back and a presence in the corridor. Minson is far more capable 'round the ground than Street but I thought he didn't get to the contest or offer support enough. The two play different games. If asked to compare them on the day, Street won hands down. Less prosaic but I essentially agree with Dogupya.
 
Ching said:
Street must have done real well for him to miss out on the squad of 28 whereas Minson got in?
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This is not a comparison of players. I am very well aware of Peter Street's deficiancies believe me, and I dont think Street will be around a day after his contract expires. However, the fact that Minson was shown up on Sat tells me that he still has a lot of development to do before he becomes the cult figure of Whitten Oval, so in the wise words of Fotscray 1973, a deep breath and some perspective please.
 

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O Grobbecker said:
I consider that Street comprehensively outpointed Minson at the bounce and in ruck duels. I cannot recall Minson getting a touch. Street didn't do a lot otherwise. I recall a mark at half back and a presence in the corridor. Minson is far more capable 'round the ground than Street but I thought he didn't get to the contest or offer support enough. The two play different games. If asked to compare them on the day, Street won hands down. Less prosaic but I essentially agree with Dogupya.
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Thankyou O Grobbecker. So that makes two of us that were at the same Game Sporty!!
 
I sadly have it on good authority that Peter Street is in fact on a three-year deal and, even worse, it is for well above the minimum payments for an AFL player (i.e. $200,000+).

Street still has room for improvement, but realistically, while he may or may not have beaten Will at the intra club (the club website report suggested that Will won the battle), in the long run Big Will will almost certainly win out. He is almost five years younger, is more athletic, aggressive, and versatile while still having dramatic scope for improvement to his physique. Street will play games this year, but unless he starts hitting the ball to OUR midfielders and dominates the hitouts, he won't be at the club at the end of his contract.

As for Will, I don't think we have been getting too excited about him. I don't expect him to play every game this year. However, the fact he has already shown the signs he has at this early stage of his career suggests we have most likely found our successor to Darcy, and that is worth getting excited about.
 
O Grobbecker said:
I thought he didn't get to the contest or offer support enough.
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I disagree. Minson's great strength outside of his hardness and size is the fact he works his arse off even after the ball hits the deck. I already stated one example in another thread from the intra club where minson followed play out to the wing after a centre ruck contest, and eventually won the ball and allowed his team to go forward, i did a quick check out of interest and saw Street had yet to leave the larger of the two centre circles.

Another point from the intra club about Will's work rate and ability to get to a contest is that most of the aggression surrounded him involved the way he was niggling as the packs were unpiling after the umpire had called for a bounce. He simply wouldn't have been able to do that as often as he was if he wasn't getting to a lot of contests and then being willing to do the grunt work of trying to win the ball at ground level, something that most ruckman do not bother with (Scotty Wynd was a great exponent of it, but its pretty rare for a ruckman). Is it that you do not notice this stuff, or do not count it because it is not what you consider an important part of being an effective ruckman?

Also as it appears that others have paid closer attention to the ruck contests than me, i'm interested if someone could tell me if Street's 'dominance' in the ruck resulted in a dominance in clearances for his team. Street wins most of the hit outs no matter who he is against, but rarely are they of much value.
 
Pembleton said:
I disagree.
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I don't think you do, really.

Street’s game is first hand on the ball then drop back, or forward, to have presence. He did that in the intra. His game will improve when his first touch is better directed – to the advantage of his team mates at his feet. He is still not good enough at this part of his craft but he should improve and be worth his place if there is a spot for a ruckman who plays that role. At the intra, he got to the ball first and denied Minson.

Minsons game is to be mobile and aggressive. He gets around the ground and presents at contests. In the Intra, he did move around a lot and was aggressive but he didn’t get to the contests. He arrived late and his aggression was ineffective because the ball had moved on. He gave away free kicks. He has a lot to learn about his craft. I thought he was not as good as I have seen before.

Street was better at his game than Minson was at his. Where there was overlap in their games i.e. the tap outs, Street didn’t give Minson a look in.
 
who caes how tall he is it doesnt change the fact that he is crap just like rawlings, my grandma's better than both of them put together. now if those two play more than three games this year(2005) and don't perform i will seriousley think about rodney eade's position as coach.
 

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I think they are both valuable for the coming season and see nothing wrong with playing, Darc, Will and Street in the one team. One up forward, mainly Darc and the other two ruck and bench depending on the opponents. Street has valuable against certain ruckmen as does Will. I wouldn't write any off at this stage. Will's fitness is not up to the required level as yet and can only last a half, same for Street.
 
Dry Rot said:
Yes, continues interesting trand of us looking better when Darcy is not in the ruck.
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In fairness Darcy is still a little underdone and all Minson has to do is come on for bursts etc but it is a very good balance for us currently.
 
OldSchool said:
In fairness Darcy is still a little underdone and all Minson has to do is come on for bursts etc but it is a very good balance for us currently.
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Disagree

Minson was clearly superior in the ruck today. No question. Darcy was no more underdone than Minson. It was just a difference in styles. Big Will kicked butt today and he deserves the credit.

The Bulldogs got a lot out of today. One of the most important being Minson's performance. If he keeps it up then we might getour wish of Darcy spending more time on the forward line.
 

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