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had a few too many especially after seeing the scum do so well. Looks like they are on their way to a flag... when the F*CK we going to do anything?

Too long we have been average and we need to trade hard and get a premiership in the next 3 yrs.

2-3 would be ideal and I hope to hell we actually pull our finger out and do something good here.

CARN THE LBLUES!
 
Fortunately will be out of the country for Grand Final day ... thank &*%$


Couldn't hack being in Melbourne if they pull off number 15. At least we'll still be up by one on them ... but for how long


Need some perspective, it's taken them over a decade to get to this stage, the Mich & Eddie show have been building this for years. We've been at it for a lot less.
 
Collingwood have one of the best recruiters in the country. We don't. Until that changes, it will be tough.
 
We are where Collingwood were a few years ago, remember when they were our bunny for a few seasons? That's right. Collingwood's kids have come on and they have topped up with a couple of good recruits from other clubs, they have hit their prime and we haven't yet...

Collingwood are a hell of a good team. Unless bad luck kicks in we'll be a really good side too.

Collingwood can be beaten. I recon to beat them you need a good midfield with big bodies, which can run, and will go hard for the ball. You need 3 tall forwards to make their attacking backmen accountable. You need to be able to run the ball and kick long over their rolling zone. 3 Tall forwards, long kicking and breaking even/winning the stoppages and that's how to get on top of Collingwood. Eaiser said than done though.
Geelong got belted because Collingwoods game plan and Geelong's don't match up. Geelong go short, don't try and run the ball, don't have good tall forwards and don't kick long. They try to move the ball forwards, short and they lacked run and ability to run with Collingwood.
 

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The Exorcist said:
Fortunately will be out of the country for Grand Final day ... thank &*%$


Couldn't hack being in Melbourne if they pull off number 15. At least we'll still be up by one on them ... but for how long


Need some perspective, it's taken them over a decade to get to this stage, the Mich & Eddie show have been building this for years. We've been at it for a lot less.
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Rubbish!!!

A decade.

One player last night was playing from their 2002 2003 GF teams.
Didak. !
Cant think of anyone else.

And in that time they have completely overhauled a complete list and made Prelims...

Still a VERY YOUNG LIST!!!

But doesnt a coach that understand structures and defensive team play all oveer the ground make a difference over someone who believes in individual players.

Whilst Ratten believes he is a Tarrant away from soldifying our defence...MAlthouse is usinga team defence with the first line of defence their full forward line.

Everybody plays as a group.
It;s not about individuals. He doesnt sprook "Helping Juddy we need McLean"
He brings in Ball for the whole team's benefit not to be an assistant to D Swan.
Their young players are challenged as are their older players.
Maxwell is their captain ..
Their kids play vital roles.

Development is superior too and each player understands his role within a team structure.

We're miles off what Collingwood are doing right now.

It should be a lesson
 
JBLUES said:
Collingwood have one of the best recruiters in the country. We don't. Until that changes, it will be tough.
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It's not just the recruiter... its everyone.

We have an ameteurish coaching staff.
We have an amateurish President.
We aren't developing.
Our players dont seem to have a tank to run both ways.
Our Footy Dept honch Icke doesnt speak or get spoken to by anyone cos of personal issues.

Miles off the pace.

everybody recruits players from the same pool. (TAC and similar leagues)
But its what you do with them as well that makes all the difference.
 
TheHeatleyStand said:
Rubbish!!!

A decade.

One player last night was playing from their 2002 2003 GF teams.
Didak. !
Cant think of anyone else.

And in that time they have completely overhauled a complete list and made Prelims...

Still a VERY YOUNG LIST!!!

But doesnt a coach that understand structures and defensive team play all oveer the ground make a difference over someone who believes in individual players.

Whilst Ratten believes he is a Tarrant away from soldifying our defence...MAlthouse is usinga team defence with the first line of defence their full forward line.

Everybody plays as a group.
It;s not about individuals. He doesnt sprook "Helping Juddy we need McLean"
He brings in Ball for the whole team's benefit not to be an assistant to D Swan.
Their young players are challenged as are their older players.
Maxwell is their captain ..
Their kids play vital roles.

Development is superior too and each player understands his role within a team structure.

We're miles off what Collingwood are doing right now.

It should be a lesson
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Yep agree completly with you great post mate.

We are miles of Collingwood and it really shows. We have too many passengers and list cloggers that need to go.

Hopefully we pull our finger out and go hard with trading and delisting some of these guys. Trading will be the key.
 
HARKER said:
I don't think that is exactly what THS is saying.
You may want to have a little re-read. :)
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I said I completly agree with your post then added my input.

I wasn't trying to paraphrase what he wrote so not sure why you even bothered trying to be funny or whatever...?

Anyways.
 
HARKER said:
Funny? How's that?

The point of THS's statement was moreso what it takes for an organisation to be professional from the head down and to adhere and nurture a mode of operation which befits the whole structure, and not just angling at recruitment.

Many of us here have a one dimensional quick fix to any given issue whereas the dominoes go a lot further up the scale then that.
Right now, Collingwood have all the cogs in sync and we don't. That's all.
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Spot on. We are a long way off it and we're kidding ourselves if we think otherwise. Would like to see some big changes in the coaching ranks.

Hope it happens sooner then later.
 
Collingwood success is clearly work rate,you can have structures and game plans but if you dont work hard enough alah Geelong you get beaten.Carlton have a team in place who can beat the Pies
dont underestimate another pre season into the younger bodies.
 
TheHeatleyStand said:
Rubbish!!!

A decade.

One player last night was playing from their 2002 2003 GF teams.
Didak. !
Cant think of anyone else.

And in that time they have completely overhauled a complete list and made Prelims...

Still a VERY YOUNG LIST!!!

But doesnt a coach that understand structures and defensive team play all oveer the ground make a difference over someone who believes in individual players.

Whilst Ratten believes he is a Tarrant away from soldifying our defence...MAlthouse is usinga team defence with the first line of defence their full forward line.

Everybody plays as a group.
It;s not about individuals. He doesnt sprook "Helping Juddy we need McLean"
He brings in Ball for the whole team's benefit not to be an assistant to D Swan.
Their young players are challenged as are their older players.
Maxwell is their captain ..
Their kids play vital roles.

Development is superior too and each player understands his role within a team structure.

We're miles off what Collingwood are doing right now.

It should be a lesson
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Great post.

They have the 'hunter' mentality. They shut down the opposition and dismantle their strength - turn them into the 'hunted', then burn them on the turnover.

It's not rocket science, and the only way to beat Collingwood, is to out-Collingwood Collingwood at their own game.... if that makes sense.
 

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TheHeatleyStand said:
Rubbish!!!

A decade.

One player last night was playing from their 2002 2003 GF teams.
Didak. !
Cant think of anyone else.

And in that time they have completely overhauled a complete list and made Prelims...

Still a VERY YOUNG LIST!!!

But doesnt a coach that understand structures and defensive team play all oveer the ground make a difference over someone who believes in individual players.

Whilst Ratten believes he is a Tarrant away from soldifying our defence...MAlthouse is usinga team defence with the first line of defence their full forward line.

Everybody plays as a group.
It;s not about individuals. He doesnt sprook "Helping Juddy we need McLean"
He brings in Ball for the whole team's benefit not to be an assistant to D Swan.
Their young players are challenged as are their older players.
Maxwell is their captain ..
Their kids play vital roles.

Development is superior too and each player understands his role within a team structure.

We're miles off what Collingwood are doing right now.

It should be a lesson
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THS, read my post again, think you've missed my point - I specifically mentioned Eddie & Malthouse and did not mention one player. i said Malthouse & Eddie have been building this for over a decade. Fully aware that their list has changed since then and their current list is young

My point is a lot more to do with the culture of the club - no point having high draft picks if you've got a crap culture. Read my post - Malthouse & Eddie have installed a culture which has every player playing for each other etc, as you pointed out in your post.
 
The Exorcist said:
THS, read my post again, think you've missed my point - I specifically mentioned Eddie & Malthouse and did not mention one player. i said Malthouse & Eddie have been building this for over a decade. Fully aware that their list has changed since then and their current list is young

My point is a lot more to do with the culture of the club - no point having high draft picks if you've got a crap culture. Read my post - Malthouse & Eddie have installed a culture which has every player playing for each other etc, as you pointed out in your post.
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Its also about professionalism.

Culture?

You mean like Rattens Carlton swagger jingoistic bullshit?
 
thylacine60 said:
If Daisy had been recruited by us he'd be playing like Hoops. Look at him - he's fearless. Why?
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Adherance to the game plan, no if's or but's.
Malthouse has his machine working well right now and let's face it, it's not as though he's only had one season to get it right.
 
TheHeatleyStand said:
Its also about professionalism.

Culture?

You mean like Rattens Carlton swagger jingoistic bullshit?
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Yes THS, culture, it's also a part of being professional

Multinationals invest millions into trying to get the correct workplace culture for their workplace, so it can function like a team.

Check Hewlett Packard, BHP etc

What applies in business should also apply to a football club. Collingwood have done this, clearly

With Carlton - the cold hard facts are they were last 3.5 years ago and have played finals the last two years, + got rid of a brilliantly talented but wayward forward for disciplinary reasons - they're heading in the right direction. Ideally, Carlton should have professional annual audits done of how the club is running and see what changes - if any - should be made.

As for Ratts (and others), their positions should be judged by this audit.
 
TheHeatleyStand said:
One player last night was playing from their 2002 2003 GF teams.
Didak. !
Cant think of anyone else.
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Johnson. Davis and Prestigiacomo are still first choice players that were out injured and they've kept Lockyer, O'Bree and Fraser on the list despie being well past it.
 

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Collingwood's success so far shows one thing. Tactics and gameplans are very very important. The players they had out there last night were no better than Geelong's in any way except they ruthlessly executed a game plan.

IMO Carlton has the list to become a superpower again, but we have to find a gameplan and learn it ruthlessly.

The game's constantly changing. Geelong's style has worked for 4 years but now the saints and pies definately have their measure with their shut-down style. The hawks plan worked for 1 year and since they haven't been able to adapt. Come on Ratten and co. prove you're worth having leading the team.
 
qldbluesman_43 said:
Collingwood's success so far shows one thing. Tactics and gameplans are very very important. The players they had out there last night were no better than Geelong's in any way except they ruthlessly executed a game plan.

IMO Carlton has the list to become a superpower again, but we have to find a gameplan and learn it ruthlessly.

The game's constantly changing. Geelong's style has worked for 4 years but now the saints and pies definately have their measure with their shut-down style. The hawks plan worked for 1 year and since they haven't been able to adapt. Come on Ratten and co. prove you're worth having leading the team.
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No we do not!!! if we did we would have seen a few more games being strung together - rather than the win 2 then lose or win 1 then lose 2 stright.

Our players do not look "hungry" for the ball like what Collingwood are.

I do think we have an ok- good list at the moment, but we have too many holes at the moment.
 
The Exorcist said:
Yes THS, culture, it's also a part of being professional

Multinationals invest millions into trying to get the correct workplace culture for their workplace, so it can function like a team.

Check Hewlett Packard, BHP etc

What applies in business should also apply to a football club. Collingwood have done this, clearly

With Carlton - the cold hard facts are they were last 3.5 years ago and have played finals the last two years, + got rid of a brilliantly talented but wayward forward for disciplinary reasons - they're heading in the right direction. Ideally, Carlton should have professional annual audits done of how the club is running and see what changes - if any - should be made.

As for Ratts (and others), their positions should be judged by this audit.
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The cold hard facts are Swans and Freo finished above us.. and noone expected them to make the finals .

So finals is not the indicator you might imagine for where you ahve to be .

We dont have players that are moving to any great levels.
Too many players are stangnating.
And the team is out of touch with what the good teams are attempting to do.

But yes... he will try trading his way to success.. (see Voss)

When you cant organise a gameplan or develop... keep trading ....

Thats so archaic
 
Go support Collingwood then. You talk like Carlton have never won a premiership. Get a grip man.
 
Collingwoood have been the best team over the year and I think they will win the GF in a canter. If they cop a couple of injuries early it will give the Saints/WB a chance because of lack of rotations etc.

I watched Pendellbury's game with interest, played in the middle and forward of centre, bombing goals from 45-50m, intensity, attack on the footy etc he has improved each year. Gibbs should playing this role for us but instead is languishing in the backline racking up cheap stats.

We are a long way behind the maggots, I hope we can close the gap and overtake them in 2-3 years.
 
TheHeatleyStand said:
The cold hard facts are Swans and Freo finished above us.. and noone expected them to make the finals .

So finals is not the indicator you might imagine for where you ahve to be .

We dont have players that are moving to any great levels.
Too many players are stangnating.
And the team is out of touch with what the good teams are attempting to do.

But yes... he will try trading his way to success.. (see Voss)

When you cant organise a gameplan or develop... keep trading ....

Thats so archaic
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Honestly, shut up.

Not once has Ratten traded like Voss and that is highly unlikely to change.

Barely any club captains believed that Carlton, Sydney or Fremantle were going to make the top 8 this season.

Yet we're a shit club with a shit coach and a shit culture because we made it?

Your recycled shit is unwanted here. You are a moron who should be following Collingwood.
 

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