Suggested Chicago Bulls roster changes

[The J Dog]

Watching the Bulls vs Cavs this week, they are a complete mess on the court. I think everybody would agree that major roster changes are needed.

Keepers
Obviously keep Rose and I'd also keep Deng at SF. These two should be the primary scorers, with Rose the go-to guy they've been lacking. I'd keep Drew Gooden as starting PF, and try to develop Noah as a defensive specialist off the bench along with Nocioni.

For sale
Hinrich has to go. Despite good defensive effort, he's only 190cm, so he's too short to guard the big shooting guards and his shot is too unreliable (41% career). He's getting $10m a year, which is too much for a bench player.

Gordon has to go too. Unreliable shot (43% career), not versatile, too short to be an elite shooting guard and not a good enough defender.

Tyrus Thomas has the wrong attitude and won't succeed as long as he keeps putting up mid range jumpers instead of using his athleticism to try to become an Amare Stoudamire above the rim type.

I'd want to make sure that Rose takes over the team, so I'd try to trade Hughes for some value.

Trades
I would suggest a trade of Hinrich and Gordon for Michael Redd, who is 6 foot 6 and 29 years old. He'd give Chicago the outside shooting it needs, and would defer to Rose as leader of the team. Milwaukee can then hand control of the team on to Bogut.

I'd try to package Hughes and/or Thomas for a European centre with post-up ability e.g. Ilgauskas and an older point guard who can help Rose to develop.

 

[mdc]

Yes, they need to do something, but...

Trades
I would suggest a trade of Hinrich and Gordon for Michael Redd, who is 6 foot 6 and 29 years old. He'd give Chicago the outside shooting it needs, and would defer to Rose as leader of the team. Milwaukee can then hand control of the team on to Bogut.

This is terrible for the Bulls.

Redd and Gordon are very similar players, and despite being shorter Gordon's the better defender. I'm not sure what this accomplishes.

And Hinrich is worth more than just a salary throw-in.

I'd try to package Hughes and/or Thomas for a European centre with post-up ability e.g. Ilgauskas and an older point guard who can help Rose to develop.

Hughes' contract is going to make any trade very difficult.


I'd prefer to see the Bulls just do with Hughes what the Knicks are doing with Marbury, and just have the following line-up;

Rose
Gordon
Deng
Gooden
Noah

Hinrich
Thomas
Nocioni

Gray (only if really needed)
Sefalosha (only if an opposing wing player is really lighting it up)


Problem solved. I don't see why Vinnie is making it so difficult.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

The Bulls have made some unbelievably bad roster decisions in the past decade.

Id say giving Deng (who's a 3rd/4th banana) a 70 million dollar deal is another one of them

 

[peternorth]

the bulls started going south when they got rid of anstey

 

[Theeighthhamster]

Yes, they need to do something, but...
This is terrible for the Bulls.

Redd and Gordon are very similar players, and despite being shorter Gordon's the better defender. I'm not sure what this accomplishes.

And Hinrich is worth more than just a salary throw-in.

It's not good for the Bucks either. We don't need to be spending 10 mil a year on another PG just to downgrade from Redd. Gordon's not the better defender either. And yes I'm aware that I'm comparing dog shit to cat shit here.

 

[The J Dog]

Yes, they need to do something, but...

This is terrible for the Bulls.

Redd and Gordon are very similar players, and despite being shorter Gordon's the better defender. I'm not sure what this accomplishes.

And Hinrich is worth more than just a salary throw-in.

Hughes' contract is going to make any trade very difficult.

I'd prefer to see the Bulls just do with Hughes what the Knicks are doing with Marbury, and just have the following line-up;

Rose
Gordon
Deng
Gooden
Noah

Hinrich
Thomas
Nocioni

Gray (only if really needed)
Sefalosha (only if an opposing wing player is really lighting it up)


Problem solved. I don't see why Vinnie is making it so difficult.

Redd is a reliable outside threat. Gordon is a streak shooter. You can't rely on him. The Bulls are the worst shooting team in the league. There's a reason why no other teams picked up Gordon in the off season.

Redd is capable of good defense, like Reggie Miller was when he was inspired. Gordon just can't handle big guards. Gordon and Rose together in the backcourt won't work defensively.

Let's agree that Hinrich needs to be traded. I'd say at $10 million per year he's just as overpaid as Hughes. Rose needs to be given the freedom to lead the team.

The line-up you've suggested won't win much unless Noah improves infinity per cent, and Gordon improves his game to all-star class, which isn't going to happen.

First and foremost, the team needs a post presence. It's a shame Curry didn't pan out.

 

[The J Dog]

It's not good for the Bucks either. We don't need to be spending 10 mil a year on another PG just to downgrade from Redd. Gordon's not the better defender either. And yes I'm aware that I'm comparing dog shit to cat shit here.

The Bucks have been swapping point guards every 6 months. Hinrich can give them stability. He was Skiles' favourite player.

They can keep Gordon till the year end, then draft a shooting guard.

The most important point for the Bucks is, it will force Bogut to become the leader of the team, the way he was in college when he carried Utah and became player of the year with the intensity and drive that's been missing from his NBA career. Redd can't lead a team to the playoffs, but he would be a good 2IC.

 

[mdc]

Redd is a reliable outside threat. Gordon is a streak shooter. You can't rely on him. The Bulls are the worst shooting team in the league. There's a reason why no other teams picked up Gordon in the off season.

This is BS.

Gordon has shot over 40% from 3 every single season, on plenty of attempts. Redd on the other hand, hasn't shot over 40% since 2003, last year coming in at 36%. Gordon is hands-down a better shooter, despite the perception.

The reason no-one else picked up Gordon in the off-season is because very few teams had cap space, and he was asking for too much money.

Redd is capable of good defense, like Reggie Miller was when he was inspired. Gordon just can't handle big guards. Gordon and Rose together in the backcourt won't work defensively.

Again, this is rubbish.

There's a reason he didn't get a lick of playing time in the Olympics despite being easily the best shooter on the squad - he absolutely killed that zone press Krebopel was implementing.

Just because he's 3 inches taller than Gordon doesn't make him any more effective against big guards - Milwaukee routinely got torched by 2's last season. Statistically, only the Knicks were worse against 2-guards.

Let's agree that Hinrich needs to be traded. I'd say at $10 million per year he's just as overpaid as Hughes. Rose needs to be given the freedom to lead the team.

Except that Hinrich can, you know, play basketball a little bit. Especially defensively, he's ok. His contract is certainly move-able, Hughe's isn't.

The line-up you've suggested won't win much unless Noah improves infinity per cent, and Gordon improves his game to all-star class, which isn't going to happen.

I'm sorry, but we're watching different teams.

Noah was the Bull's best player last year, as a freakin' rookie. It's not his fault Uncle Vinnie's not giving him any minutes. He'd be a starter on most teams. Very intelligent defender and terrific passer out of the high post.

First and foremost, the team needs a post presence. It's a shame Curry didn't pan out.

Agreed, but I don't see how over-paying for the already overpaid Michael Redd is going to fix this.

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

the bulls started going south when they got rid of anstey

I think it was the axing of Luke Schenscher that really broke their back personally.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Hinrich gone for 3 months.

Luckily Larry Hughes will be back soon to provide Hinrich's 4/13 games

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

Hinrich gone for 3 months.

Luckily Larry Hughes will be back soon to provide Hinrich's 4/13 games

Don't forget the abundance of tatts that Laz will bring as well.

 

[The J Dog]

This is BS.

Gordon has shot over 40% from 3 every single season, on plenty of attempts.

Yeah, his career 3pt% is 41%, and his 2pt% isn't much better. In fact, it was worse a couple of years ago. Redd's career 3pt% is 39%. His career FG% is 45% vs 43% for Gordon. I'll take Redd thanks.

There's a reason he didn't get a lick of playing time in the Olympics despite being easily the best shooter on the squad - he absolutely killed that zone press Krebopel was implementing.

That reason was the playing time demands of Kobe Bryant and Dwayne Wade, and the ease with which the US beat its opponents, not requiring the likes of Redd and his shot.

I'm sorry, but we're watching different teams.

Noah was the Bull's best player last year, as a freakin' rookie. It's not his fault Uncle Vinnie's not giving him any minutes. He'd be a starter on most teams. Very intelligent defender and terrific passer out of the high post.

You're setting the bar pretty low if a guy who had 6 points and 6 rebounds in 21 mins per game was their best player.

Most teams are ordinary, so he possibly could start on some of them. That doesn't make him good, despite the fact he plays with enthusiasm and tries hard on defence. The fact is, he has the ugliest shot mechanics in the NBA and no offensive ability other than put backs and lay-ups. He isn't athletic enough or skillful enough to really help the Bulls. I agree that he needs more minutes to develop.

You make him sound like the next Danny Ferry, which he may well be!

 

[mdc]

Yeah, his career 3pt% is 41%, and his 2pt% isn't much better. In fact, it was worse a couple of years ago. Redd's career 3pt% is 39%. His career FG% is 45% vs 43% for Gordon. I'll take Redd thanks.

What's 2FG% got to do with it? You were advocating Redd for his supposedly superior outside shooting, which I've shown to be a myth. His career of 39% is, in fact, inflated due to some good shooting in his first couple of years. In the last 5 years he's much closer to 37% from 3, which is good, but not great.

Gordon is a good 5% higher than that. His 2FG% isn't as good simply because he takes a higher ratio of outside shots, and he's not as creative a finisher. But that's ok, because Rose should be doing all the creating from now on.

That reason was the playing time demands of Kobe Bryant and Dwayne Wade, and the ease with which the US beat its opponents, not requiring the likes of Redd and his shot.

And yet coach K still managed to find time to play Deron Williams out of position at the 2 ahead of Redd, as well as Tayshaun Prince in spurts also.

You're setting the bar pretty low if a guy who had 6 points and 6 rebounds in 21 mins per game was their best player.

It was a pretty poor season!

The fact is, he has the ugliest shot mechanics in the NBA and no offensive ability other than put backs and lay-ups. He isn't athletic enough or skillful enough to really help the Bulls. I agree that he needs more minutes to develop.

What offensive ability does Chandler have? What about Perkins? Both are tremendously valuable to their teams.

He needs to get stronger, but he has plenty of offensive ability aside from shooting. He shown he's a very good ball-handler and passer, and sets solid screens. Fwiw, he might not look as pretty, but he could be having the same positive influence on the Bulls that Horford is on the Hawks if given the PT.

 

[The J Dog]

What's 2FG% got to do with it?

There's more to outside shooting than 3 pointers. Case in point, Joe Dumars. Very consistent jump shooter, but rarely took a 3 point attempt. Chris Mullin was another great outside shooter who wasn't focussed on 3s.

And yet coach K still managed to find time to play Deron Williams out of position at the 2 ahead of Redd, as well as Tayshaun Prince in spurts also.

My point is that Redd has the physical attributes to play defence on bigger guards if he wants to. Gordon doesn't have that luxury.

The US had Paul at the point, and Carmello and LeBron at SF. Redd was filling Christian Laettner's role from 1992.

What offensive ability does Chandler have? What about Perkins? Both are tremendously valuable to their teams.

I think that Chandler is a tremendous athlete and is a very hungry rebounder. Can't understand why the Bulls replaced him with the older Wallace. Noah doesn't have explosiveness or strength (yet).

I admit their per minute stats in points and rebounds were similar last year, but I think Horford has more offensive skills and some post up ability that Noah lacks.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Most would take Redd over Gordon, in terms of pure basketball talent (forgetting age and contract stauts momentarily), although both are only complimentary players

 

[mdc]

I think that Chandler is a tremendous athlete and is a very hungry rebounder. Can't understand why the Bulls replaced him with the older Wallace. Noah doesn't have explosiveness or strength (yet).

Reinsdolf's decision iirc.