Suns in the Media - Part I

[SandyToes]

He could just need to unwind.

I’m happy for him to go to Las Vegas with DeGoey this post season.

Bring some fun back into the young man’s life

The guy has a room full of old footys and has named each one
I would say the chances of him and JdeG having anything in common other than exceptional footballing ability are exactly zero

 

[Supersuns]

He could just need to unwind.

I’m happy for him to go to Las Vegas with DeGoey this post season.

Bring some fun back into the young man’s life

Let him loose on someone's garden, that will make him happy.

 

[Jirik13]

This is Rowell's first time full season after OP interrupted pre-season and 100% inside while starting season with only 17 games played.

Not sure how wise is to load Rowell and also Anderson like that but I got to believe that high performance team knows what they are doing. Both running on empty at the moment.

My optimistic prediction, both Rowell and Anderson will be killing it next season provided they are healthy and have full pre-season.

 

[SnusCG]

This is Rowell's first time full season after OP interrupted pre-season and 100% inside while starting season with only 17 games played.

Not sure how wise is to load Rowell and also Anderson like that but I got to believe that high performance team knows what they are doing. Both running on empty at the moment.

My optimistic prediction, both Rowell and Anderson will be killing it next season provided they are healthy and have full pre-season.

I disagree about Anderson running on empty

Feel like he's gone to another level in the back half of the season to be honest

 

[Jirik13]

I disagree about Anderson running on empty

Feel like he's gone to another level in the back half of the season to be honest

Not what I saw re-watching Hawks and Cats games. Half games ordinary. Rowell full games. In both games we got destroyed in the middle in first half. Just my opinion.

 

[Southern Sun]

This is Rowell's first time full season after OP interrupted pre-season and 100% inside while starting season with only 17 games played.

Not sure how wise is to load Rowell and also Anderson like that but I got to believe that high performance team knows what they are doing. Both running on empty at the moment.

My optimistic prediction, both Rowell and Anderson will be killing it next season provided they are healthy and have full pre-season.

Think this is where our biggest improvement will be. Anderson is on a steady incline and think he just needs to get a bit stronger. Rowell probably needs to trim down a little and get back to 100% fitness and hopefully can return to what we know he is capable of as a complete inside/outside midfielder. Add miller at his peak, and hollands certain to improve again we have a really strong midfield. Forward line is still young and improving. Defence probably our biggest worry especially with long term injuries still hanging over us.

 

[Southern Sun]

Will he get a starting position in the All Australian or a bench if he wins it?

Not only should touk get a starting midfield position I think he should be a huge chance to be named captain. Of all players expected to be named I think he shows best leadership qualities, maybe gawn if he gets the nod over witts the other.

 

[Ben Drever]

Not only should touk get a starting midfield position I think he should be a huge chance to be named captain. Of all players expected to be named I think he shows best leadership qualities, maybe gawn if he gets the nod over witts the other.

He can’t be captain.

We have won 3 games in the second half of the season.

The boys haven’t lifted for Touk or for Dew.
they’ve fallen off the cliff instead much better options out there

 

[Southern Sun]

He can’t be captain.

We have won 3 games in the second half of the season.

The boys haven’t lifted for Touk or for Dew.
they’ve fallen off the cliff instead much better options out there

Might be right but players have been captain in a low on the ladder team before. I'm probably biased toward touk but what he does for our club is amazing and hope he gets all the accolades he deserves.

 

[kreglze]

I would say Nathan Jones was an amazing captain for the Dees back in the day despite them not winning much.

 

[KaySwizzle]

He can’t be captain.

We have won 3 games in the second half of the season.

The boys haven’t lifted for Touk or for Dew.
they’ve fallen off the cliff instead much better options out there

True about games won.

But we’ve also only had two bad games, score wise (Essendon and Geelong). Yeah, some disappointments (Hawks, and particularly Essendon), but also some really close losses (Port, Collingwood, Hawks, even Brisbane was a good game). Admittedly, some close wins (Richmond, West Coast).

Compare our ability to run out games, stem bleeding and kick a score to even last year and it is a big, big difference. Just go look at the scores in back end of 2021! We had plenty of games barely scraping 30 points, losing by huge margins most weeks as well.

This year we have performed. Not under performed, not over performed. We have done exactly what our list profile says we should have, as far as I am concerned.

And Touk is an outstanding captain. Probably our second best ever player overall and a true leader in every sense. He learned everything he needed from Swallow and went a step further. The media will agree he is a great role model for the game with his two way running and commitment, and I could see them naming him, at least, as Vice Captain quite easily.

 

[Jirik13]

Think this is where our biggest improvement will be. Anderson is on a steady incline and think he just needs to get a bit stronger. Rowell probably needs to trim down a little and get back to 100% fitness and hopefully can return to what we know he is capable of as a complete inside/outside midfielder. Add miller at his peak, and hollands certain to improve again we have a really strong midfield. Forward line is still young and improving. Defence probably our biggest worry especially with long term injuries still hanging over us.

I think that midfield this year was still our weakest link in many games. Too young, inexperienced, not fully up to it physically for the whole season (Anderson, Rowell, Davies). Often teams got on top of us for 1-2 quarters in the middle for decisive runs.

Inability to convert (basically all games except 3-4) also cost us dearly in a lot of games. Falling behind in most games was another big issue forcing us to spend a lot of energy just to come back. Then the impact of bad execution, turnovers.

Contrary to general opinion I believe our defence is pretty good in full strength. Basically every defence struggles when exposed especially when missing important pieces. I don't think any defence would be able to handle the terrible turnovers in Cats game. I was disappointed that we were not able to replace Powell/Weller/Budarick's rebound and Markov, Atkins did not take opportunities.

My main worry in defence is actually Collins. I hope his decline is due to carrying injury or interrupted pre-season and he will come back strong next year. It looks like Powell escaped the worst and should be ready for pre-season. Weller should be ready round 10. You got to expect Andrew will get more games based on his debut.

Forward line looks exciting to me. King, Chol, Jeffrey, Ainsworth, Rosas, Holman looks pretty good to me. I still think that Luko in his new role will deliver. He had a couple of good games there. People seem to forget he had 2 PCLs and missed 10 weeks. He is still not right. Luko reads game better than most. He was waving hands many times in perfect positions and teammates just did not see him or ignore him.

 

[SandyToes]

This year we have performed. Not under performed, not over performed. We have done exactly what our list profile says we should have, as far as I am concerned.

Dew said as much in his last presser
Commenting on Geelong he said they're top of the ladder and travelling beautifully
Then the said something like
"What are we?11th?"
That to me said he has a very good understanding of where we are at the moment
He wasn't sugar coating anything or suggesting we should have brought more heat

 

[Ben Drever]

Dew said as much in his last presser
Commenting on Geelong he said they're top of the ladder and travelling beautifully
Then the said something like
"What are we?11th?"
That to me said he has a very good understanding of where we are at the moment
He wasn't sugar coating anything or suggesting we should have brought more heat

I call BS.
Melbourne FC and Sydney are only 2months older then us in age.

Yet we look 4 years behind them

Of cause Dew is going to fake it this late into the season..

because the club has had a disaster of a second half of the season.

Can’t sugar coat 3wins from 11 games

Time to rebuild? Where your team ranks on the AFL's age ladder

Clubs in rebuild mode are setting their own pace when it comes adjusting and transforming their list, but there's no quick fix

www.afl.com.au

Time to rebuild? Where your team ranks on the AFL's age ladder

 

[kreglze]

I call BS.
Melbourne FC and Sydney are only 2months older then us in age.

Yet we look 4 years behind them

Of cause Dew is going to fake it this late into the season..

because the club has had a disaster of a second half of the season.

Can’t sugar coat 3wins from 11 games

Time to rebuild? Where your team ranks on the AFL's age ladder

Clubs in rebuild mode are setting their own pace when it comes adjusting and transforming their list, but there's no quick fix

www.afl.com.au

Time to rebuild? Where your team ranks on the AFL's age ladder

Currently we are only 3 wins from 9 games post bye. Win this weekend and we are 4 from 10, far from ideal, but not the unmitigated disaster being made out.

Age is only 1 tell, I would be interested in game experience of the squads before commenting on where we should be as a football club list.

 

[RowellAnderson12]

Age is only 1 tell, I would be interested in game experience of the squads before commenting on where we should be as a football club list.

We have plenty of older guys pushing up the age average but not games average.

List of players who are well below their age/games expectations; 22 games x 10 = 220 games
Mabior Chol (25) 50 games
Nick Holman (27) 91 games
Brayden Fiorini (24) 76 games
Sam Day (29) 149 games
Rory Thompson (31) 106 games
Oleg Markov (26) 51 games
Josh Corbett (26) 36 games
Sam Collins (28) 80 games
James Tsitas (27) 1 game
Chris Burgess (26) 35 games
Levi Casboult (32) 174 games
Charlie Constable (23) 13 games
Jy Farrar (25) 24 games

This "age bracket" is suppose to be when players are at their peak 25-29 range. From 7-10 years into the system thats 140=200 games at least experience they should have but barely any of them have that much.

Melbourne's Premiership list had (Minus 21 games for most of them)
Steven May (30) 190 games
Christian Salem (27) 141 games
James Harmes (26) 140 games
Christian Petracca (28) 148 games
Luke Jackson (20) 49 games
Jack Viney (28) 169 games
Jake Lever (26) 133 games
Charlie Spargo (22) 80 games
Angus Brayshaw (26) 140 games
Max Gawn (30) 178 games
Clayton Oliver (25) 144 games
Michael Hibberd (32) 182 games
Ed Langdon (26) 129 games
Jake Bowey (19) 23 games
James Jordan (21) 46 games
Trent Rivers (21) 49 games
Tom McDonald (29) 202 games
Alex Neal-Bullen (26) 125 games
Bayley Fritsch (25) 105 games
Tom Sparrow (22) 48 games
Harrison Petty (22) 45 games
Kysiah Pickett (21) 59 games
Ben Brown (29) 159 games

Now if you're still reading this far i may aswell add my Best 23 (Rd 1) for 2023 as a comparsion
Mabior Chol (25) 50 games
Jack Bowes (24) 83 games
Brandon Ellis (29) 230 games
Alex Davies (20) 15 games
Nick Holman (27) 91 games
Ben Ainsworth (24) 95 games
Charlie Ballard (23) 87 games
Touk Miller (26) 159 games
Jack Lukosius (22) 72 games
Noah Anderson (21) 57 games
Matt Rowell (21) 38 games
Jeremy Sharp (21) 23 games
Sean Lemmens (27) 133 games
David Swallow (29) 196 games
Sam Collins (28) 80 games
Wil Powell (22) 69 games
Jarrod Witts (29) 143 games
Levi Casboult (32) 174 games
Ben King (22) 53 games
Elijah Hollands (20) 4 games
Mal Rosas (21) 18 games
Caleb Graham (21) 36 games
Jy Farrar (25) 24 games

As you can see, we are miles off. Barely anyone over 100 games, still a few season away. Alot of our players have had season long injuries too, Bowes, Ainsworth, Lukosius, Rowell, Swallow, Collins, Powell, Witts, King, Hollands

 

[The Kings Ransom]

We have plenty of older guys pushing up the age average but not games average.

List of players who are well below their age/games expectations; 22 games x 10 = 220 games
Mabior Chol (25) 50 games
Nick Holman (27) 91 games
Brayden Fiorini (24) 76 games
Sam Day (29) 149 games
Rory Thompson (31) 106 games
Oleg Markov (26) 51 games
Josh Corbett (26) 36 games
Sam Collins (28) 80 games
James Tsitas (27) 1 game
Chris Burgess (26) 35 games
Levi Casboult (32) 174 games
Charlie Constable (23) 13 games
Jy Farrar (25) 24 games

This "age bracket" is suppose to be when players are at their peak 25-29 range. From 7-10 years into the system thats 140=200 games at least experience they should have but barely any of them have that much.

Melbourne's Premiership list had (Minus 21 games for most of them)
Steven May (30) 190 games
Christian Salem (27) 141 games
James Harmes (26) 140 games
Christian Petracca (28) 148 games
Luke Jackson (20) 49 games
Jack Viney (28) 169 games
Jake Lever (26) 133 games
Charlie Spargo (22) 80 games
Angus Brayshaw (26) 140 games
Max Gawn (30) 178 games
Clayton Oliver (25) 144 games
Michael Hibberd (32) 182 games
Ed Langdon (26) 129 games
Jake Bowey (19) 23 games
James Jordan (21) 46 games
Trent Rivers (21) 49 games
Tom McDonald (29) 202 games
Alex Neal-Bullen (26) 125 games
Bayley Fritsch (25) 105 games
Tom Sparrow (22) 48 games
Harrison Petty (22) 45 games
Kysiah Pickett (21) 59 games
Ben Brown (29) 159 games

Now if you're still reading this far i may aswell add my Best 23 (Rd 1) for 2023 as a comparsion
Mabior Chol (25) 50 games
Jack Bowes (24) 83 games
Brandon Ellis (29) 230 games
Alex Davies (20) 15 games
Nick Holman (27) 91 games
Ben Ainsworth (24) 95 games
Charlie Ballard (23) 87 games
Touk Miller (26) 159 games
Jack Lukosius (22) 72 games
Noah Anderson (21) 57 games
Matt Rowell (21) 38 games
Jeremy Sharp (21) 23 games
Sean Lemmens (27) 133 games
David Swallow (29) 196 games
Sam Collins (28) 80 games
Wil Powell (22) 69 games
Jarrod Witts (29) 143 games
Levi Casboult (32) 174 games
Ben King (22) 53 games
Elijah Hollands (20) 4 games
Mal Rosas (21) 18 games
Caleb Graham (21) 36 games
Jy Farrar (25) 24 games

As you can see, we are miles off. Barely anyone over 100 games, still a few season away. Alot of our players have had season long injuries too, Bowes, Ainsworth, Lukosius, Rowell, Swallow, Collins, Powell, Witts, King, Hollands

There is a massive gap in age of our list due to a number of failed picks

4 years 2013 - 2016 - 10 first round picks
3.5 best 22 players in 2022
There is the 24 - 28 year olds.



2016 draft - FAIL




2015 draft - FAIL



2014 draft - FAIL (Win if Saad and Wright stayed with us)



2013 draft - FAIL

 

[Iva Bigun]

There is a massive gap in age of our list due to a number of failed picks

4 years 2013 - 2016 - 10 first round picks
3.5 best 22 players in 2022
There is the 24 - 28 year olds.



2016 draft - FAIL

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2015 draft - FAIL

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2014 draft - FAIL (Win if Saad and Wright stayed with us)

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2013 draft - FAIL

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We all know the club has been abhorrent in this area but seeing it on paper like this is just beyond depressing. Nothing is a sure bet, I get that but hey a hobo flicking numbered peanuts at an alley wall and choosing the one that fell closest would have a similar winning percentage to our “experts”. Either that or our coaching an development team have ruined many young men. I fear it’s a mix of both.

 

[The Kings Ransom]

We all know the club has been abhorrent in this area but seeing it on paper like this is just beyond depressing. Nothing is a sure bet, I get that but hey a hobo flicking numbered peanuts at an alley wall and choosing the one that fell closest would have a similar winning percentage to our “experts”. Either that or our coaching an development team have ruined many young men. I fear it’s a mix of both.

It's not just our top 30 picks that were crap.
During that period we had 2 late picks go on to achieve anything in Saad and Macpherson. Jared Ellis, Cameron Loersch, Louis Herbert, Tom Keough, Mckenzie Willis etc.. WTF.

Flicking through a few other random teams - they've got so much more out of those lesser regarded picks.
Melbourne: Harmes, Hunt, Oscar Mcdonald, ANB
Port: DBJ, Amon, Houston, Ladhams, Sam Gray
Eagles: McGovern, Nelson, Rioli, Waterman
Hawks: Lewis, Morrison, Harwick, Sicily, Cellar
Swans: Rampe, Aliir, Papley, Dawson, Nick Newman, Darcy Cameron, Robbie Fox, Ben Ronke,

 

[Ben Drever]

We have plenty of older guys pushing up the age average but not games average.

List of players who are well below their age/games expectations; 22 games x 10 = 220 games
Mabior Chol (25) 50 games
Nick Holman (27) 91 games
Brayden Fiorini (24) 76 games
Sam Day (29) 149 games
Rory Thompson (31) 106 games
Oleg Markov (26) 51 games
Josh Corbett (26) 36 games
Sam Collins (28) 80 games
James Tsitas (27) 1 game
Chris Burgess (26) 35 games
Levi Casboult (32) 174 games
Charlie Constable (23) 13 games
Jy Farrar (25) 24 games

This "age bracket" is suppose to be when players are at their peak 25-29 range. From 7-10 years into the system thats 140=200 games at least experience they should have but barely any of them have that much.

Melbourne's Premiership list had (Minus 21 games for most of them)
Steven May (30) 190 games
Christian Salem (27) 141 games
James Harmes (26) 140 games
Christian Petracca (28) 148 games
Luke Jackson (20) 49 games
Jack Viney (28) 169 games
Jake Lever (26) 133 games
Charlie Spargo (22) 80 games
Angus Brayshaw (26) 140 games
Max Gawn (30) 178 games
Clayton Oliver (25) 144 games
Michael Hibberd (32) 182 games
Ed Langdon (26) 129 games
Jake Bowey (19) 23 games
James Jordan (21) 46 games
Trent Rivers (21) 49 games
Tom McDonald (29) 202 games
Alex Neal-Bullen (26) 125 games
Bayley Fritsch (25) 105 games
Tom Sparrow (22) 48 games
Harrison Petty (22) 45 games
Kysiah Pickett (21) 59 games
Ben Brown (29) 159 games

Now if you're still reading this far i may aswell add my Best 23 (Rd 1) for 2023 as a comparsion
Mabior Chol (25) 50 games
Jack Bowes (24) 83 games
Brandon Ellis (29) 230 games
Alex Davies (20) 15 games
Nick Holman (27) 91 games
Ben Ainsworth (24) 95 games
Charlie Ballard (23) 87 games
Touk Miller (26) 159 games
Jack Lukosius (22) 72 games
Noah Anderson (21) 57 games
Matt Rowell (21) 38 games
Jeremy Sharp (21) 23 games
Sean Lemmens (27) 133 games
David Swallow (29) 196 games
Sam Collins (28) 80 games
Wil Powell (22) 69 games
Jarrod Witts (29) 143 games
Levi Casboult (32) 174 games
Ben King (22) 53 games
Elijah Hollands (20) 4 games
Mal Rosas (21) 18 games
Caleb Graham (21) 36 games
Jy Farrar (25) 24 games

As you can see, we are miles off. Barely anyone over 100 games, still a few season away. Alot of our players have had season long injuries too, Bowes, Ainsworth, Lukosius, Rowell, Swallow, Collins, Powell, Witts, King, Hollands

So your saying Witts and swallow won’t be around for the premiership?

 

[Ben Drever]

We have plenty of older guys pushing up the age average but not games average.

List of players who are well below their age/games expectations; 22 games x 10 = 220 games
Mabior Chol (25) 50 games
Nick Holman (27) 91 games
Brayden Fiorini (24) 76 games
Sam Day (29) 149 games
Rory Thompson (31) 106 games
Oleg Markov (26) 51 games
Josh Corbett (26) 36 games
Sam Collins (28) 80 games
James Tsitas (27) 1 game
Chris Burgess (26) 35 games
Levi Casboult (32) 174 games
Charlie Constable (23) 13 games
Jy Farrar (25) 24 games

This "age bracket" is suppose to be when players are at their peak 25-29 range. From 7-10 years into the system thats 140=200 games at least experience they should have but barely any of them have that much.

Melbourne's Premiership list had (Minus 21 games for most of them)
Steven May (30) 190 games
Christian Salem (27) 141 games
James Harmes (26) 140 games
Christian Petracca (28) 148 games
Luke Jackson (20) 49 games
Jack Viney (28) 169 games
Jake Lever (26) 133 games
Charlie Spargo (22) 80 games
Angus Brayshaw (26) 140 games
Max Gawn (30) 178 games
Clayton Oliver (25) 144 games
Michael Hibberd (32) 182 games
Ed Langdon (26) 129 games
Jake Bowey (19) 23 games
James Jordan (21) 46 games
Trent Rivers (21) 49 games
Tom McDonald (29) 202 games
Alex Neal-Bullen (26) 125 games
Bayley Fritsch (25) 105 games
Tom Sparrow (22) 48 games
Harrison Petty (22) 45 games
Kysiah Pickett (21) 59 games
Ben Brown (29) 159 games

Now if you're still reading this far i may aswell add my Best 23 (Rd 1) for 2023 as a comparsion
Mabior Chol (25) 50 games
Jack Bowes (24) 83 games
Brandon Ellis (29) 230 games
Alex Davies (20) 15 games
Nick Holman (27) 91 games
Ben Ainsworth (24) 95 games
Charlie Ballard (23) 87 games
Touk Miller (26) 159 games
Jack Lukosius (22) 72 games
Noah Anderson (21) 57 games
Matt Rowell (21) 38 games
Jeremy Sharp (21) 23 games
Sean Lemmens (27) 133 games
David Swallow (29) 196 games
Sam Collins (28) 80 games
Wil Powell (22) 69 games
Jarrod Witts (29) 143 games
Levi Casboult (32) 174 games
Ben King (22) 53 games
Elijah Hollands (20) 4 games
Mal Rosas (21) 18 games
Caleb Graham (21) 36 games
Jy Farrar (25) 24 games

As you can see, we are miles off. Barely anyone over 100 games, still a few season away. Alot of our players have had season long injuries too, Bowes, Ainsworth, Lukosius, Rowell, Swallow, Collins, Powell, Witts, King, Hollands

And we’re miles off because we pick average footballers.. play X amount of games then run around in the VFL collecting the pension.

Not to mention the amount of players we’ve got on the list for 5 odd years for 20 odd games.


Or there’s players like Wright and brodie who will probably play 100 games for there new club..

Waste of time money and resources.

The recruitment department needs a good proper review

 

[KaySwizzle]

We all know the club has been abhorrent in this area but seeing it on paper like this is just beyond depressing. Nothing is a sure bet, I get that but hey a hobo flicking numbered peanuts at an alley wall and choosing the one that fell closest would have a similar winning percentage to our “experts”. Either that or our coaching an development team have ruined many young men. I fear it’s a mix of both.

Most of those issues with draft picks stem from one Scott Clayton, who went on to help ruin West Coast and then North Melbourne…

Has to be up there with one of the worst list and recruitment managers to consistently get a job.

 

[robo_1]

Most of those issues with draft picks stem from one Scott Clayton, who went on to help ruin West Coast and then North Melbourne…

Has to be up there with one of the worst list and recruitment managers to consistently get a job.

Don’t forget Kall Burns has been involved in recruiting for a very long time at this club

 

[MarcLocksCrustySock]

Don’t forget Kall Burns has been involved in recruiting for a very long time at this club

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I actually quite like Kall Burns tbh.

 

[robo_1]

I actually quite like Kall Burns tbh.

As a person or as a recruiter?