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The 'no superstars' swipes were aimed at Geelong as early as 3 years ago while all their current superstars weren't superstars yet. Hey I'm not saying it will all come good and we'll suddenly come right just as Geelong did but it's an interesting point.

FWIW I think Didak can be legitimately be called a superstar now IMO. Especially after his 2006 season and his finals series in 2007 and his totally underrated form in 2008 where he is leading the AFL in kicks and doing damage in the midfield. Cloke, Pendlebury and Thomas I'm pretty confident will be stars and definately have the potential to be AFL top 10 players in the future, but "the future" may be 5 years away and if you look at your list of superstars, most of them are at least 25.
 
Here's a superstar, on and off the field!

Bucks a cut above the manglers

Trevor Grant | May 08, 2008 12:00am

CARLTON coach Brett Ratten was talking up his club's youth policy on radio the other day. It's part of our future going forward, he said proudly.
While it's nice to know that they are not going backwards into the future at Princes Park, it's becoming increasingly obvious the language manglers are taking over the game.
A football media discussion is almost unrecognisable without a yeah-nah, a step up to the plate, a put your hand up or a going forward.
I accept it's the way of the coach and player.
My fear is that the likes of Ratten almost inevitably end up with a microphone somewhere in media land, inflicting their limited vocabulary and dreary, predictable views on us all.

With the commentary box a retirement home for so many of yesterday's heroes, there is no escape.
People love to watch and listen to former players and coaches, believing they are being taken to places inside the game that mere media professionals can never reach.
Of course, the credibility factor lasts for only so long.

Soon enough, an inadequate performer will be exposed and the viewer or listener will cry, "No more," and turn off the sound.
I reached this stage a year ago with Channel 7 and SEN radio expert David Schwarz.
The Melbourne champion played 173 games but only rarely is he more insightful than a bloke in the crowd. I find him dull and predictable. Switch-off material if ever I heard it.
Conversely, I suggest that this season Channel 7, and 3AW, have unearthed a commentator who demands to be switched on.
Nathan Buckley is one of TV and radio's football finds of the decade. He is articulate, comfortable, self-assured, and, above all, informative.
Media outlets choosing a new talent find being able to play the game does not guarantee an ability to communicate. Experience and knowledge are useless if you cannot impart them to the audience.
Some of the greatest players are simply incapable of arranging their thoughts well enough to present them in an entertaining and enlightening form.

Others, usually those who have played on instinct throughout their careers, actually know little about the game they have played so well for so long.
They were born to play football, not talk about it.
Buckley was born to do both. He knows it and communicates it, brilliantly.
The former Collingwood captain exhibits all the traits of a trained professional broadcaster.
He doesn't state the obvious, nor does he resort to obscure jargon to cover an inability to explain what's going on.
Simplicity and brevity are the hallmarks of the best in the business. He has both.
He thinks before he opens his mouth. And when he does, there is always something to be learnt.
While others may be losing their heads in the excitement of a game, he retains his composure and thought patterns, but without sounding too clinical or detached.
He is also unambiguous when he is required to name names, unlike many retired players-cum-broadcasters who struggle to recognise that objective critical appraisal is part of their new role.
Yet while Buckley is unequivocal in his criticism, he remains constructive. Again the art of a good broadcaster.
Sadly, for those who appreciate class in the media, Buckley is only stopping by the broadcast booth on his way to a coaching career.
Indeed, his media work so far has demonstrated why so many people believe he will make a very good coach.
 
Franklinstein said:
After 3 wooden spoons in 6 years you don't exactly qualify as an expert on superstars :p
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whos the 1 thats won more premierships?
thats right carlton.
who lost to carlton in round 4 2008?
thats right collingwood.
so i wouldnt be rating ur scum players to high if i was some1 like u
 

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R1KSTA said:
whos the 1 thats won more premierships?
thats right carlton.
who lost to carlton in round 4 2008?
thats right collingwood.
so i wouldnt be rating ur scum players to high if i was some1 like u
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Your 1995 premiership was one through cheating. If your proud of that then good for you and the cheating Cartlon football club.

As for calling our players scum on our board that would be an automatic infraction on the Cartlon board. Hint hint.............
 
kevind said:
If you want to win a premiership, you need more than one. Geelong have Ablett, Bartel, Corey and Scarlett(arguably the best of the lot) and the hawks have Franklin, Hodge, Mitchell. We had one for over 10 years and he even played a blinder in the GF, but we still lost.
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Sydney only had Goodes. I know Hall was a star, but despite how good he was at the time, he wasn't a superstar IMO. It's not necessary if we just gel well as a team. We've got several players that are close to that status, and are proven performers in the big games, so I think we can definately win a flag without one. However, picking up Cousins would make me feel better. :D

FWIW: Didak is so close, in fact he's probably already there, Pendlebury definately will be in the next couple of years, and Thomas should be eventually.
 
Didak is a superstar, much of what he can and does do should be impossible, Leon is equally deprived of the credit that he is due both by oposition supporters and our own, he is capable of turning a bogged down situation into a scoring oportunity and his chasing, field kicking, tackling explosive acceleration away from packs, ability to find a path where no seems to exist, ability to kick freak goals at crucial times combined with his work ethic meets all the criteria.
 
hellfire said:
Sydney only had Goodes. I know Hall was a star, but despite how good he was at the time, he wasn't a superstar IMO. It's not necessary if we just gel well as a team. We've got several players that are close to that status, and are proven performers in the big games, so I think we can definately win a flag without one. However, picking up Cousins would make me feel better. :D

FWIW: Didak is so close, in fact he's probably already there, Pendlebury definately will be in the next couple of years, and Thomas should be eventually.
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Short memory. 'Big Bad Bustlin' Barry' was, for a time, the player who journo's could not write/talk enough about. I can remember articles on his background, childhood, footy career, boxing and even his relationships! He was in the top couple of forwards in the league and was legitimately unstoppable (and he knew it). He was a superstar of the AFL, and don't forget he finished #4 and #2 in Sheahan's top 50 in 2005 and 2007 respectively - for what it's worth. Was an unquestionable superstar for a number of years (IMHO :))
 
After seeing Ablett last night, there is definately a gap between the true superstars (of which there are very, very few in his class), and just superstars. Didak is in the latter group. I'm not sure who would make it onto Ablett's tier, because he's almost on his own at the moment. Perhaps Buddy, Judd at his best, Brown at his best... that's about it!
 
waveofthefuture said:
Short memory. 'Big Bad Bustlin' Barry' was, for a time, the player who journo's could not write/talk enough about. I can remember articles on his background, childhood, footy career, boxing and even his relationships! He was in the top couple of forwards in the league and was legitimately unstoppable (and he knew it). He was a superstar of the AFL, and don't forget he finished #4 and #2 in Sheahan's top 50 in 2005 and 2007 respectively - for what it's worth. Was an unquestionable superstar for a number of years (IMHO :))
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Yes, I remember how good he was. But I never thought he was a superstar to be honest. Just a very good forward, in a very good team. The 2006 GF didn't help his cause in my eyes. Each to their own.
 
Agreed and understood.

As an aside, does anyone have a definition/list of qualities as to what would warrant the tag 'superstar'?

Do you consider it mere (for lack of a better term) footballing ability, or do other factors such as public perception and media coverage (all publicity is good publicity, remember) weigh into the criteria somehow? I'm of the opinion that for a player to be classed as a 'superstar' of the game, there is a level of off-the-field interest which is necessarilly generated to warrant such a description.

Players like Jonathon Brown, Lance Franklin and Gary Ablett Jnr (etc), as well as those superstars of the past, all generate(d) what can only be described as a 'hype' (or possibly fever/hysteria in Buddy's case!). To this end, I can see how there is probably no such player at Collingwood at this stage. I have no doubts there will be, soon, however!
 

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Alan Didak is almost there. If he can maintain his form, and if possible slightly improve it for the rest of the season, he is without question there. I remember Buckley earlier in his career not getting the recognition he deserved as a superstar of the comp. It was only towards his later 20's that the respect and acknowledgement came. Hopefully the same will happen to Didak.

In terms of the superstar definition, obviously there has to be an elite level of talent there. But some players have an extra gear, something intangible where they are able to stamp their imprint on a game and turn the tide consistently. Buckley had it, the likes of Brown, Ablett and Franklin have it. I'm not sure we have anyone that quite has that, or will in the future. Didak doesn't quite have it IMO, at least he doesn't do it anywhere near as often as the ones mentioned. Possibly in a few years.
 
I think Didak and Davis are stars NOW while Heater, Pendlebury, Clarke, Cloke and Thomas stand in line to be stars in the next couple of years. A few of you guys don't give Collingwood players the credit they deserve just like the Media does. Leon kicked 3 goals against the Vics and is playing incredible football at the moment. Go Pies :thumbsu:
 
Coin_Toss said:
People can say what they like about him, but in my mind Didak is a superstar. Surely we should know that by now. He's practically our most talented footballer and he's consistent. I can safely say he is one of the most dangerous players in the competition. We know what he can do to the opposition, but now he has developed the capacity to play in the midfield, he will only get better I think.
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Completely agree, Dids is a superstar. Whether playing in the middle or across half forward he is one of the most dangerous and damaging players in the comp. He has the ability to turn games on their head. I believe he is our best decision maker and would have to be in the top 10 kicks in the comp.

Pendlebury, Heath, Daisy and Cloke all have the potential to be true superstars of the comp as well.

As for my definition of superstar i think they have to have elite skills, consistently make good decisions and have a great footy brain. On top of that they have to have the ability to break a game open and inspire their team mates. IMO Didak possesses all of these qualities.
 

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