Sydney debacle

[Nightwolf]

We have Richmond and Essendon in the next 2 weeks. If we can't win at least 1 of those matches, I honestly cannot see where we will score a win.

For people to say Richmond were worse than us .... geez, they must have been horrible.

I think we have to face the facts and realise that we will not beat essendon until we are good....

 

[Binxy]

Richmond were not worse than us - they kicked 15 goals and some of their forwards actually took contested overhead marks (yes Ben Dixon, I'm looking directly at you).

It's going to be REAL ugly next week.

 

[Grendel]

I watched (most of) the Richmond game.

They were better than us in being able to score, true. But they were on a ground that allowed much more room to be able to create the opportunity to do so.

We just got strangled on the under-sized SCG for room to create.

Saying that, both sides were dreadful, to give up 25 goals to a side with Geelongs attack is hardly inspiring either.

Next week it's going to be the worst attack (us) in the league vs the worst defence (them). We get Sam back, maybe Barker and I really reckon we're a chance because on evidence, neither sides shown anything more than the other.

It'll get down to who wants it more, hopefully, that will prove to be us.

 

[Grendel]

you have got to be kidding..
this bloke is a lumbering hack who has done all over the last 2 years to even suggest he'll be an assett to the club...
we have the worst back-up ruck in league...
your being way to lenient , cambell will be traded at the end of this year..
time to start blooding taylor and dawson , see what their made of...
i will be very interested to see how fanning does for the pies today..
young bloke , first game , will still do more than cambell ever has..

We've got the worst back up everything in the league (well.. except for hbf's.. for them we have the best back up in the league actually).

Campbells been given bugger all time to actually play the position (even at VFL level with Loats or Rix spending the majority of time rucking).

If people want Everitt to spend all the time rucking, fine by me. He's got a knee condition that will only get worse if he isn't spelled, the more work he does, the sooner he'll be forced to retire ( ) but the majority of you don't want that and the question will be, who replaces him?

Fwiw, Taylor has done even less at VFL level and Dawson less again at VFL reserves level. Campbell has to be given time to show if he can make it or not.

If he does improve, terrific, we get back up. If he doesn't then we cut the loss and he probably gets traded, more likely though would be delisted.

BUT that is the same for an awful lot (and if that isn't an apt as description as any) of others. We need to find out if Osborne, Sewell, Ladson, Brennan etc (all from yesterday) can play.

Zero point keeping them at reserves level because we've got to get some youth into the side, even if that youth isn't ready or up to it because we've failed miserably to find replacements for Crawford, Holland, Barker, Thompson and decent midfielders for years.

ONE game isn't going to fix our woes. ONE season wont fix our woes.

Get used to being lenient for the time being because we have no choice to be anything but lenient. We've got to find out if these blokes can play or not and the only way to do so, is to play them.

 

[HIG]

You'd think we just went the entire season without a win...

Yes, it was pathetick (sic) but what do you expect when more than half the side, (yes 12) players are aged under 23, compared to the Swans five.

Perspective people;
We had three players with 0 games.
One player with 3 games.
One player with 6 games.
and another 8 players with less than 50 games.

Most of the youngsters have talent, but they're not going to adapt to AFL football unless they get a crack at it, win, lose or thrashing.

As for the senior guys, some were pretty bad, some worse than others, but BLAMING individuals is ridiculous - the team as a whole was pumped, the team as a whole will have to come out next week and show some spirit...the same spirit they showed in the Wizard Cup against the Saints less than a month ago.

 

[fishbowl]

Franklin would tear Graham a new one.
OUT: Campbell (Inj)
IN: Taylor.
So far.

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

Richmond were not worse than us - they kicked 15 goals and some of their forwards actually took contested overhead marks (yes Ben Dixon, I'm looking directly at you).

It's going to be REAL ugly next week.

Well that doesnt make me feel any better because our lack of effort is a concern. I kind of wish I saw the Hawks game to get an idea how bad you played.

I am not looking forward to next week and you will have to feel sorry for who ever loses because it will be hell.

 

[Grendel]

hehe maybe we should get the two clubs together and call if off and split the points 2 each.

Stave off getting to close to that point where the priority picks get taken off either of us!

 

[LukeHodge15]

patience peoples , we in 4 a long year ................ lets just watch our guys improve and get better .......... our list really does lack talent and thats the bottom line. a couple more years of draft picks is in order

 

[tige19]

Im getting depressed with how pathetic we are and its only round 1. I say sack Clarkson now , let Dermire coach see if the boys draw a line in the sand .

 

[Nightwolf]

Someone get in Dunstalls ear, tell him we need a full forward for a year.....

 

[Choota]

Richmond were not worse than us - they kicked 15 goals and some of their forwards actually took contested overhead marks (yes Ben Dixon, I'm looking directly at you).

It's going to be REAL ugly next week.

They also conceded 25 goals to a side with a weak forward line.

We'll score enough points against Richmond, don't worry about that. Their defence and midfield accountability is the worst in the comp.

The SCG is an unusual ground. Not many bottom 4 sides accostomed to playing on the MCG would win there. We'll beat Richmond, no worries.

 

[Grendel]

Agree Choota. Reading that match review, Geelong also were fielding a weaker side (no Mooney, Milburn, Harley, Johnson or Sanderson) than the Swans who were really only O'Loughlin, Saddington and Schauble down. They were nearly around 80 odd fewer possessions and Wallace has come out (very strange comment from my pov) with a line along the lines of "We were lucky not to have a record score kicked on us". Have no idea what he's trying to achieve with that statement whatsoever.



The one thing that must happen is that we give a contest. That is the only imperative for the day. They've got two dangerous (Richardson and N.Brown) forwards to our.. well.. err.. But we've got the two best options (even if they're both 30) through the middle of the ground in Crawford and Everitt (witness his game against them last year.. which he's capable of more often, doesn't do more often and is one of the reasons I don't rate him as high as the rest of you.. .*you didn't really think I'd give him a wrap without a caveat to it did you* )

I think we're capable of winning but a loss (given all recent form) would be of no surprise.
This is a definite lightweight (featherweight to be blunt..) contest coming up. But the bottom line is both sides are dreadfully poor football sides with huge gaps in talent across the board. Wins in 05 for either side wont amount to anything other than moving away from a priority selection at years end.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Unfortunately I have to agree that the Hawks v Tigers game appears to be a match which will determine the front runner for priority draft pick No.1 in 2006 .... although Essendon and Collingwood appear to be making early claims

I also follow Norwood in the SANFL, and after a crappy 2004, this season is not looking any better. Both my sides took a pounding from the red & whites over the weekend.

 

[Yardie]

I also follow Norwood in the SANFL, and after a crappy 2004, this season is not looking any better. Both my sides took a pounding from the red & whites over the weekend.

Looks like a long season for both of us. I follow East Fremantle over here and they lost their second game in poor circumstances.

 

[HardcoreHawk]

Dont post here much, much more fun bagging
the ferals in the main group but was bored and just
like to say:

WE ARE CRAP

I waited 6 months for that.

There were NO positives out of that game.
No one stood out.
Franklin and Thurgood looked out of thier depth.

It was so disapointing.

BUT

Unlike the ferals, i am in it for the long haul.

ALL i want from Clarkson is to play the kids ALL YEAR.

If we are going to lose, at least give the kids 15-20
games experience and then when we get the new kids
from the next draft, then we have something to build on.

If i see that we drop Franklin and Thurgood on Thursday,
I think i might just VOMIT

Anyway,

GO HARDCORE HAWKS!

 

[Becker]

I agree HardcoreHawk, I think we have reached the stage where we need to start all over again. Dropping the kids will achieve nothing, we need to play them all season.

I feel so sorry for Alastair Clarkson, he obviously thought he could resurrect the current squad but he knows now the job is a lot bigger than he imagined.

Just as well I enjoyed the halcyon days of the 70s and 80s, otherwise I don't know how I could survive the next few years.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Lower your expectations people.
This year is about finding out what the young kids can and cant do and giving them game time.
At the end off the year every kid should have tonnes more experience than when they started and we will have worked out who will be sent on there way.