Team stats

[Impatient Saint]

Some interesting stats found on the AFL TEAM STATS link.

Generally we are placed around our ladder position on the majority of stats, excluding the following.

For a team that bases its game around pressuring the opposition we are a 2nd last in tackles for the year which was a major surprise.

The other suprise was that we were 2nd overall for disposal efficiency 75%. Considering how much we have butchered the ball in games that is remarkable.

The other concern was that we are 3rd last in the number of inside 50's but North Melbourne leading the comp are just 1 place ahead of us.

The stat which is a concern for tomorrow was North are 2nd for forward 50 efficiency. Some how tomorrow we need to resrict their forward entries or stop their tall, both will be tough asks, I am praying for a late change with Goddarc coming in?

 

[TheLonieRanger]

Some interesting stats found on the AFL TEAM STATS link.

For a team that bases its game around pressuring the opposition we are a 2nd last in tackles for the year which was a major surprise.

The other suprise was that we were 2nd overall for disposal efficiency 75%. Considering how much we have butchered the ball in games that is remarkable.

The other concrn was that we are 3rd last in the number of inside 50's but North Melbourne leading the comp are just 1 place ahead of us.

The stat which is a concern for tomorrow was North are 2nd for forward 50 efficiency. Some how tomorrow we need to resrict their forward entries or stop their tall, both will be tough asks, I am praying for a late change with Goddarc coming in?

Now I don't mean to sound like jerk here, but

1. Post is too informative and well thought out, n33d$ moar memes
3. Posts this good should preferably be hidden deep somewhere in the list management thread surrounded by pissing contests, and of course, memes.

in all seriousness, the one thing I like about saintsational is the freedom and frequency with which posters crack out new threads, way easier to decipher!

I'm very surprised we're 2nd overall for disposal efficiency, though it could have something to do with how impressive our run and spread and switching of the play has been. Also our handball chains have been pretty bloody good too at times. Maybe we don't cop the pressure of the bigger teams because we're not taken as seriously too. What's our i50 efficiency like?

Tackles doesn't worry me too much, I think we've had a lapse in technique and a few skinny kids running around so they're not sticking as well, which will improve, our intensity is generally still very good I feel. Hopefully we do step it up tomorrow though re pressure or we'll get smashed and this place will go to the dogs

 

[RoundCubic]

Those are the totals and include stats from the games already played this round

Look at the averages

Positives
2nd Effective Disposals
3rd Average Marks inside F50
4th Average Hit Outs (Hickey)
2nd Average Centre Clearances
5th Goal Accuracy
16th Average Behinds
3rd Average Kicks
3rd Average Handballs
5th Average Marks
2nd Average Disposals
16th Average Free Kicks Against

Negatives
13th Average Contested Possessions
13th Average Contested Marks
10th Average Clearances
13th Average Stoppages
10th Average Tackles
11th Average One Percenters
15/16th Average Free Kicks For

In between
9th Average Goals
9th Average Clangers
10th Average Rebounding Clearances
11th Average inside forward 50
11th Average Bounces

North are 9th for inside forward 50's we are 11th but it's a misleading stat without comparing it to goals from forward entries (which I think they lead) we are 3rd for Marks inside f50 North are 4th while we are 9th (13.8) for average goals while North are 2nd (16.8)

The Saints are killing it when we have the ball and are probably in the top 3 attacking teams with our effective disposals and inside f50 marks but 9th for Clangers means we can get better. We are also well drilled at the bounce (Hickey) but on the flip side we are not doing as well at stoppages or boundary throw-ins (maybe our shorter mids Acres may help) and lack some toughness maybe due to youth but also maybe second efforts (Acres being dropped).

So what would make us a top 8 team on paper (Our lack of KPD's would undermine stats) we need 2-3 extra clearances, 4-5 extra contested possessions and 4-5 more tackles per game. While tackles are about team effort, I would argue that the lift in clearances and contested possessions need to come mostly from Gresham and Minchington.

I say this because Steven and Armo are already in the top 20 for Clearances while Dunstan is 50th, Ross is 60th and Hickey is 66 that is a very solid inside midfield. Acres may add something but we need more from the 2 smalls who do so well in the VFL otherwise we should bring back Lonie who will probably lift our average goals by 1.

We are 9th in Goals partly as a result of the Dogs game take it out we are probably equal 6th (Saints haven't played a rabble club yet either we broke Collingwood) some free kicks would also help (maybe when Bruce is chopped or pushed in the back)

This is why I get annoyed at the footy media add Treloar or Dangerfield to the Saints and we are a top 8 team Geelong isn't amazing just lucky Fairhaven is close

Also the problem with the lack of free kicks we are getting is it gives opposition players confidence to interfere with our players when they are marking and lowers our contested marking numbers

Checked the numbers and at least so far in 2016 there seems to be a correlation between average free kicks and average contested marks for the top 6 then its complicated teams like the Hawks who seem to get the better of umps and the bottom teams often kicking to unfavorable contested situations throw the numbers around but the 2 Adelaide teams and the Saints look like they are being screwed especially as we have very similar clearance numbers so maybe its costing us there as well

 

[Nutsngum]

Still ranked no.1 for Best looking supporters

 

[bergholt]

in all seriousness, the one thing I like about saintsational is the freedom and frequency with which posters crack out new threads, way easier to decipher!

Correct, the mods' "combine threads when possible" policy here is stupid IMO.

Great post by the OP though.

The other suprise was that we were 2nd overall for disposal efficiency 75%. Considering how much we have butchered the ball in games that is remarkable.

I'd say that's two things:
- relatively large number of handballs (handball-to-kick ratio we're 6th)
- relatively large number of uncontested possessions (I don't have stats on that though)

 

[Kildonan]

Off topic post

in all seriousness, the one thing I like about saintsational is the freedom and frequency with which posters crack out new threads, way easier to decipher!

Correct, the mods' "combine threads when possible" policy here is stupid IMO.

As a mod, I would like to see more threads, not less.
I have been known to take posts out of an existing thread and move them to a newly created thread because I think the posts are dealing with a topic that deserves its own thread. I am guilty of moving stuff into a thread that already exists on a topic, though. I think it makes it easier to find the information / discussion you want - and avoids confusion. If there are three threads on a topic and you have posted in all of them - its very easy to lose track of what you said and where.
I hate megathreads. They often meander off topic and get filled with material that most can't be bothered reading. They contain gems of information, though and it becomes problematical how to get a summary of that info to those who want it. We had a few threads where great posters would provide summaries - reminder - this is not a mod's job - we are here to make sure posters can use this board effectively and without experiencing abuse or unwanted material.
Also megathreads are hard work to moderate. We have a slightly more horizontal approach to the recruitment threads this year (rather than a single vertical column). This makes it more readable. If you have any suggestions / ideas that would improve the readability of the board, don't be shy.

 

[TheLonieRanger]

Off topic post



As a mod, I would like to see more threads, not less.
I have been known to take posts out of an existing thread and move them to a newly created thread because I think the posts are dealing with a topic that deserves its own thread. I am guilty of moving stuff into a thread that already exists on a topic, though. I think it makes it easier to find the information / discussion you want - and avoids confusion. If there are three threads on a topic and you have posted in all of them - its very easy to lose track of what you said and where.
I hate megathreads. They often meander off topic and get filled with material that most can't be bothered reading. They contain gems of information, though and it becomes problematical how to get a summary of that info to those who want it. We had a few threads where great posters would provide summaries - reminder - this is not a mod's job - we are here to make sure posters can use this board effectively and without experiencing abuse or unwanted material.
Also megathreads are hard work to moderate. We have a slightly more horizontal approach to the recruitment threads this year (rather than a single vertical column). This makes it more readable. If you have any suggestions / ideas that would improve the readability of the board, don't be shy.

I think you do a great job Kildonan! I think it comes down to, on saintsational for example, the general freedom to post whatever. Paddy has a good game, someone starts a thread called 'paddy' even though there are 15 others already. Then you get two or three pages re Paddy and his most recent performance, and then it dies. It's a pretty stark contrast to here, as it appears that forum doesn't have anywhere near as many posters, yet many more threads! But I understand it's hard to find things and is a general mess over there, but I think new thread posters find it less intimidating.

 

[bergholt]

As a mod, I would like to see more threads, not less.
I have been known to take posts out of an existing thread and move them to a newly created thread because I think the posts are dealing with a topic that deserves its own thread. I am guilty of moving stuff into a thread that already exists on a topic, though. I think it makes it easier to find the information / discussion you want - and avoids confusion. If there are three threads on a topic and you have posted in all of them - its very easy to lose track of what you said and where.

Fair enough, not sure everyone else agrees with you but I'll be less reticent to start threads from now on.

 

[Kildonan]

On topic

A stat that gets underappreciated

Uncontested possessions

I'm looking at the stats for the Hawks - Tigers match and I notice that Billy Hartung gained 24 uncontested possessions (up) and he distributed the ball 28 disposals (D) at 96.4% efficiency. This is an effective outside player, Hawks also had Isaac Smith getting lots of it (20 up 25 D @ 84%). Now obviously these players had good games, but the real issue is why they weren't pressured more by Richmond. Forcing these players into contests would have hampered Hawthorns game. The Hawks rely on their kicking skills. If you look at Hawthorn's stats, they rarely win the contested possessions. They don't need to. Their game relies on finding space and retaining possession through superior kicking skills. The uncontested possessions count will usually reflect how well they are playing.

Richmond's two most effective outside players are Brandon Ellis and Bachar Houli.
They were held to:
Ellis 13 CP 14 UP 27 D @ 70.4%
Houli 6 CP 6 UP 12 D @ 66.7%

So it appears that Hawthorn targeted these guys forcing them into contests and reducing their effectiveness, but in the process the Hawks defenders raised the Richmond contested possession count - reducing the meaning that we can take out of the stat

 

[sammm]

I think you do a great job Kildonan! I think it comes down to, on saintsational for example, the general freedom to post whatever. Paddy has a good game, someone starts a thread called 'paddy' even though there are 15 others already. Then you get two or three pages re Paddy and his most recent performance, and then it dies. It's a pretty stark contrast to here, as it appears that forum doesn't have anywhere near as many posters, yet many more threads! But I understand it's hard to find things and is a general mess over there, but I think new thread posters find it less intimidating.

I think saintsational has many threads on the same thing, as it goes off tangent really easy. infighting begins and then people start a new thread.

 

[TheLonieRanger]

I think saintsational has many threads on the same thing, as it goes off tangent really easy. infighting begins and then people start a new thread.

lately the in fighting has improved since the infighters have spread themselves out

 

[hayes]

Richo mentioned On The Couch that we are first in attacking from defensive 50 but last in defending it. Cracking stat to be rated #1 in just quietly!

 

[sammm]

lately the in fighting has improved since the infighters have spread themselves out

yes, they have come over here

 

[saint_]

We probably are probably low on the tackle count due to winning the ball more than the opposition. The interesting stat should be the pressure acts rather than tackles.

We are ranked 1st in stopping opposition scoring goals from centre clearances.

 

[hayes]

We probably are probably low on the tackle count due to winning the ball more than the opposition. The interesting stat should be the pressure acts rather than tackles.

We are ranked 1st in stopping opposition scoring goals from centre clearances.

We're ranked 15th for contested possessions though? I think we're probably just retaining the ball more than we have in the past. I don't think Hawthorn were ever up there for tackles because the opposition didn't have it enough for them to be tackled.