Umpiring Technical question for umpires

[MYOB]

Always wondered this...
After a behind, if the umpire calls "play on" to the player taking the kick in is he still required to kick it to himself if he wants to leave the square?

Yes.

The play on call is to let the attacker know he can move forward of the mark.

 

[GameOver]

Correct, hence the reason it's mainly 1 player that takes kick-ins (apart from the obvious that they're a good user of the ball). Some players instant reaction under pressure is to run out of the square when play-on is called. Player taking the kick needs to know what's going on under the pump.

 

[jake_tha_peg]

Yep at least a half dozen times a season this happens = blow whistle and ball it up on the ten meter line.

This goes back to a previous point I have made - most players never actually read the rules. They pick up the rules from TV or watching AFL.

I wonder if the AFL clubs get their players or coaches to read the rules hmmmm

 

[alzy11]

I'm not talking about common sense, i'm talking about what the umpires should technically rule. What if the guy marks the ball 55 out and there's nobody in the goal square, doesn't he have the right to kick the ball as soon as he likes? Why does he have to wait for his opponent to casually walk back to the mark before he can take his kick?

I would think that technically if you have taken a mark and have not been deemed to have played on, then if an opponent interferes with the kick it should be 50m.

Yeah i agree

 

[alzy11]

Well apparently common sense seems to be lacking from all umpire's knowledge in games. If you paid 50m for this, you would pay 50m technically every time a player follows the other player OVER the mark whilst trying to pull up wouldn't you?

No you wouldn't, because the player following them over the mark is still in the act of trying to prevent the mark, and, the player marking it is still in the act of marking it too.

 

[alzy11]

This comes under common sense rule. The umpire needs to set the mark for the player otherwise it can be argued that the player on the mark wasn't aware where he should be standing. If the player smothers the kick then the correct action will be to blow time on. set the mark and have the player take his kick again. If the player kicks the ball and it is NOT smothered then the correct call is play on (no penalty for running over the mark).

Do you mean blow time off?

 

[alzy11]

This argument is wrong.
If I as a player stuff up my moans and grunts acknowledge this to myself and my team mates. My coach may even pull me aside, call out the runner or mention it in the huddle at the breaks - heck one of my teammates might even have a word to me. I may even get dropped.

As a student at school my wrongdoings are evidenced in detention or by poor marks and I have to face the consequences.

As a part-time worker my wrong doings can cost me my job, make me stay back an extra half hour to fix these mistakes and the boss gets the shits at me.

For all of my mistakes I am held accountable. Just like life. A gambling problem may mean I miss out on paying my car insurance. This = bad. An arrogance problem may mean someone takes me the wrong way and starts a fight with me. This = bad. But I face the music.

Umpires on the other hand, by golly do not question their decision. They are right 100% of the time and have no accountability. At the elite level, yes they do get dropped for one or two weeks if they make massive howlers that get airtime in the media. But for the most part they arent held accountable, and in the grassroots footy the umpires have ZERO accountability. Dare not say as much as "Excuse me Sir but what was that free kick for?" because you will be yellow carded and watching from the sidelines.

It could be argued that they have zilch accountability for their mistakes because their ranks are so low. Like the Kevin Sheedy ad it is because people abuse them. HECK. Did you see the abuse Matthew Knights copped on the weekend. He, himself, was still dedicated to the Essendon cause, he wasnt going to go sulk in a corner. Yet because he isnt an umpire he got held accountable. Umpires need to toughen up. Supporters give opposition lip much more then they lip up to the umpires.

Umpires are a weak breed of people. The type of people who left school midway through year 10, found it too hard. Then they were too retarted to get an apprenticeship so worked at McDonalds. Now they are in adulthood and have worked their way up to part-time Assistant manager on the weekdays (always blaming Junior staff for overcooking the fries when questioned by Ronald and never accepting responsibility) getting the tidy sum of $10 an hour. Some umpires even branch out to live in a bungalow, while others still sleep beside their mothers.

Sometimes I am down at the local oval having a kick on my non-training days and the orange shirt wearing scum are their having a training session. They stand around talking and kicking the footy like my 9yo sister for 30mins, run 2 warm ups with the show off 25yos absolutely blitzing the older blokes and the kiddies (boundary umpires) showing no team work whatsoever. Then they stretch for another 30 minutes. Its normally tea time by then so Ive given up showing off that I can actually kick a drop punt and go home. But at other times I have stayed and all they have done is go over a couple of common rules eg push in the back, holding the ball and made the kids do boundary throw ins. I say who gives a f*** if they can run a couple of laps and know a couple of rules. I would much rather the umpires sit around a table, heck the McDonalds board room for all I care, and read the rules book for once in their life. Even watch some footy, and by watch footy I dont mean reminise about how they used to sit on the bench and back pocket back in Under 12s.

F***ing umpires. I'll give em one thing. Consistent. Consistently sh8t and consistently making up/changing rules.


















tl;dr

I think you'll find that the AFL Rules Committee are the one's who supposedly ''make up new rules''. The umpires have to go with what they're told, regardless of weather they agree with the new rules/ interpretations. You obviously aren't an umpire yourself...