Terry Wallace

[gangsta deluxe]

Ill make one thing clear first of all. This is not intended as a troll but something for serious discussion. If someone interprets this as a troll please accept my apologies - I didn't mean it!

What kind of performance next year would warrant Wallace keeping his job? What kind of performance would cause Wallace to lose his job?

Ive asked this question on the Tiges board for two reasons. Firstly id like to see the feelings of you guys regarding this matter and secondly id like to know if anyone has any contacts in the club who know exactly what is required of Wallace.

I know, from experience, that Wallace can be a capable coach on match day. Is he losing it? are there internal problems at Richmond causing him to not perform to his real standard?

thoughts?

 

[Ruanaidh]

I really can't understand the infatuation supporters of other clubs have for Wallace You could just as easily ask yourself the same questions exchanging Wallace for Eade. That should keep you off the streets

 

[_Wang_]

Ill make one thing clear first of all. This is not intended as a troll but something for serious discussion. If someone interprets this as a troll please accept my apologies - I didn't mean it!

What kind of performance next year would warrant Wallace keeping his job? What kind of performance would cause Wallace to lose his job?

Ive asked this question on the Tiges board for two reasons. Firstly id like to see the feelings of you guys regarding this matter and secondly id like to know if anyone has any contacts in the club who know exactly what is required of Wallace.

I know, from experience, that Wallace can be a capable coach on match day. Is he losing it? are there internal problems at Richmond causing him to not perform to his real standard?

thoughts?

Not a bad post.
My opinion is he needs to win at least half of our games to keep his job.
Whilst last year was terrible at least we got the big broom out and we will have something to work with in the coming years. Regardless of whether TW is coaching beyond next year that will be his legacy.
I see it as a similar as Rohde paving the way for Rocket to have a competetive team at your club.
Also I see TW as the man we needed at the time when our club was a debacle on and off the field. Good media skills etc.

Anyway thats my opinion

 

[Truetiger]

Richmond have already said we Dont need to play finals for him to continue to coach us beyond next year. In fact i would think we would resign him as well

 

[richoatthedisco]

he has 2 years left on his contract. ask the question in 09.

 

[gangsta deluxe]

Not a bad post.
My opinion is he needs to win at least half of our games to keep his job.
Whilst last year was terrible at least we got the big broom out and we will have something to work with in the coming years. Regardless of whether TW is coaching beyond next year that will be his legacy.
I see it as a similar as Rohde paving the way for Rocket to have a competetive team at your club.
Also I see TW as the man we needed at the time when our club was a debacle on and off the field. Good media skills etc.

Anyway thats my opinion

My honest opinion is that Wallace is not as aggressive and nasty to his players as he once was. This may instill a bit more hunger in them, or it could lead to alot of reports(1996 is very different to 2007). The fact remains that his style has changed though. Have any of you guys seen the year of the dog?

He gave the players a spray like i've never seen. The Dogs had just come back from 42 points down in the last quarter to lose by 2 points. When entering the rooms Wallace says, " I saw an old woman patting you guys on the back saying that you tried your best....and it makes me F****** sick!!!!!!"

He proceeded to yell at our captain for 10 minutes, and give everyone a spray. Where has this man gone?( He might still crack it, I just havent seen any public evidence of it) I think the tigers need a bit of mongrel back in their coaching staff. Remember the 70's? Hafey was one of the hardest coaches ever. Think about the abuse players like Sheedy were on the end of - "bloody back pocket plumber".

Wallace needs to show the kids that he doesnt tolerate crap. Simply he needs to show his players that he has the Hafey attitude and not the Frawley attitude. Star players need to be taken down a peg - just so they can go out there and prove him wrong.

 

[TigerGlory]

Although i support the fact that Wallace should drop poor performing players, ALOT more often. Simply, he cant.

If he wants to keep his job, hes going to want to win as many games as possible. Therefore, dropping our best players when they have a regulation crap game, for a younger bloke is out.

On the other hand, our good players have little competition, and dont really have an incentive to keep their spot. They know really, that even if they have a crap game, they'll still be playing next week.

Richmond's Best 22 is in reality, a decent looking list. No Injuries, and no suspensions and we could very much finish in the finals. Our lack of depth will be our problem, a key injury to Simmo or Richo and we are in trouble.

 

[_Wang_]

My honest opinion is that Wallace is not as aggressive and nasty to his players as he once was. This may instill a bit more hunger in them, or it could lead to alot of reports(1996 is very different to 2007). The fact remains that his style has changed though. Have any of you guys seen the year of the dog?

He gave the players a spray like i've never seen. The Dogs had just come back from 42 points down in the last quarter to lose by 2 points. When entering the rooms Wallace says, " I saw an old woman patting you guys on the back saying that you tried your best....and it makes me F****** sick!!!!!!"

He proceeded to yell at our captain for 10 minutes, and give everyone a spray. Where has this man gone?( He might still crack it, I just havent seen any public evidence of it) I think the tigers need a bit of mongrel back in their coaching staff. Remember the 70's? Hafey was one of the hardest coaches ever. Think about the abuse players like Sheedy were on the end of - "bloody back pocket plumber".

Wallace needs to show the kids that he doesnt tolerate crap. Simply he needs to show his players that he has the Hafey attitude and not the Frawley attitude. Star players need to be taken down a peg - just so they can go out there and prove him wrong.

I have seen the year of the dog and I cannot say whether he bakes our players behind closed doors.
At the end of the day having mongrel is important but the game has changed too much since Hafey for it to be the only thing.
I think that TW has made hard decisions and has done well in his time at the club.
He will be under review all year IMO

 

[RichosGuns]

All I know is the club is going in the right direction. Terry is following the direction of the game.

AFL is alot faster and the half back line is the new midfield as most teams set up their play from here. However, up to this year, the side hasn't drafted enough talls, but now with the addition of Rance, Putt, Gourdis, etc. our KP stocks are much heathlier.

More importantly, most of our recruits under Terry have key features:
- Leap (Thursty, Deledio, Edwards, Bling, Rance, Gourdis, JON)
- Speed (King, Foley, Deledio, Edwards)
- Knowlegde (Riewoldt, Deledio, Foley, Thursty)
- Skills (Deledio, Foley, Casserly, etc.)

The club is starting to address issues, rather then looking for quick fixes and this is why we will be an up and coming force in 08, but realistically probably won't do anything until 09.

I would think Wallace would nonetheless have to win at least 6-8 games next year

 

[gangsta deluxe]

I have seen the year of the dog and I cannot say whether he bakes our players behind closed doors.
At the end of the day having mongrel is important but the game has changed too much since Hafey for it to be the only thing.
I think that TW has made hard decisions and has done well in his time at the club.
He will be under review all year IMO

It isn't the only thing. But its impact is underestimated by many in the modern context id say. Look at the way Collingwood played in this years finals series. Against Geelong and WCE they showed more guts and teamwork than id have thought possible. They compensated for less skill by giving it their all, in every contest. What could have possibly inspired them to perform like that? Malthouse must have had something to do with it.

My best friend is a Tigers fan. I've watched many of your games with him over the years. Sad thing is you are always able to tell if Richmond are going to lose. there a frustrating attitude in the playing group that pretty much allows you to predict the result of a game halfway through the third quarter - even if it is a close game. The coach can have a very big impact on the attitude of the playing group, mongrel or not Wallace needs to imbue an attitude in the players that will cause players to never drop their heads.

 

[sante]

He is coaching in 2009, no matter what we do in 2008.

 

[Simche]

To be honest I don't think Wallace will ever coach a premiership at Richmond but it'll be a case where we'll look back and realise that he well and truly put the necessary steps into place.

Whilst Haffey get's a lot of credit (and rightly so) he also benefited from a similar situation as Len Smith started blooding some youngsters and put in practice some of the structures that led to premierships down the track before he had to step down for health reasons.

In terms of a game day coach I'll say that I'm not too disappointed in Wallace. He can only work with the cattle he has which relative to the last three seasons has not been too inspiring. The encouraging view is that for the first time in awhile we can all see a semblance of a game plan even if it isn't executed to perfection on the day. I still have grave concerns in some areas though. Our forward structure is still farcical and we continually fall down at half forward (as we have for over a decade now). Our skill level is yet to improve when under any iota of pressure and I'm yet to be convinced of the defensive credentials of any of our 'attacking midfielders' (and by that I basically mean any of our 'outside receivers').

 

[Richo Man]

My honest opinion is that Wallace is not as aggressive and nasty to his players as he once was. This may instill a bit more hunger in them, or it could lead to alot of reports(1996 is very different to 2007). The fact remains that his style has changed though. Have any of you guys seen the year of the dog?

He gave the players a spray like i've never seen. The Dogs had just come back from 42 points down in the last quarter to lose by 2 points. When entering the rooms Wallace says, " I saw an old woman patting you guys on the back saying that you tried your best....and it makes me F****** sick!!!!!!"

He proceeded to yell at our captain for 10 minutes, and give everyone a spray. Where has this man gone?( He might still crack it, I just havent seen any public evidence of it) I think the tigers need a bit of mongrel back in their coaching staff. Remember the 70's? Hafey was one of the hardest coaches ever. Think about the abuse players like Sheedy were on the end of - "bloody back pocket plumber".

Wallace needs to show the kids that he doesnt tolerate crap. Simply he needs to show his players that he has the Hafey attitude and not the Frawley attitude. Star players need to be taken down a peg - just so they can go out there and prove him wrong.

When we lost to Collingwood at the start of the year I was supposed to go into the rooms with his son and another mate, but he wouldnt let us in and boy did that door slam hard after he told us we couldn't come in, he didnt look happy either haha. I didn't stick around I just left but I would have loved to have seen what he said to them that night.

 

[SirJimi05]

When does his 5 year plan expire? If he hasn't won a flag by then he should be sacked. It would be getting close now wouldn't it?

Personally i would be shocked if he was still at the helm at the end of 2008 if the Tigers perform as poorly as last year.

 

[Heisenberg_]

When does his 5 year plan expire? If he hasn't won a flag by then he should be sacked. It would be getting close now wouldn't it?

Personally i would be shocked if he was still at the helm at the end of 2008 if the Tigers perform as poorly as last year.

He will be at Richmond longer then Knights is at Essendon.
LOL @ appointing a coach because he told you what you wanted to hear
Should have taken Hardwick, he could actually see you're list isn't worth pissing on.
You're loss

 

[Drunken Wookie]

If wallace's contract isn't renewed after his 5 years you'd have to think every available coach would be salivating at the thought of coaching a richmond side just about to hit its straps.

 

[Woody80]

If wallace's contract isn't renewed after his 5 years you'd have to think every available coach would be salivating at the thought of coaching a richmond side just about to hit its straps.

Voss or Buckley I can see this happening.

 

[Haggard H]

When does his 5 year plan expire? If he hasn't won a flag by then he should be sacked. It would be getting close now wouldn't it?

Personally i would be shocked if he was still at the helm at the end of 2008 if the Tigers perform as poorly as last year.

He hasn't got a five year plan, he's got a five year contract - which you suggest he should be sacked at the conclusion of, if we haven't won a flag. That would be the end of 2009.

Then you suggest he should be sacked next year if we're doing badly.

If you're on these boards and it doesn't say "Richmond" next to your name, then bring clarity, consistency and research, or go back to your red and black board.

 

[jimmy15_]

My honest opinion is that Wallace is not as aggressive and nasty to his players as he once was. This may instill a bit more hunger in them, or it could lead to alot of reports(1996 is very different to 2007). The fact remains that his style has changed though. Have any of you guys seen the year of the dog?

He gave the players a spray like i've never seen. The Dogs had just come back from 42 points down in the last quarter to lose by 2 points. When entering the rooms Wallace says, " I saw an old woman patting you guys on the back saying that you tried your best....and it makes me F****** sick!!!!!!"

He proceeded to yell at our captain for 10 minutes, and give everyone a spray. Where has this man gone?( He might still crack it, I just havent seen any public evidence of it) I think the tigers need a bit of mongrel back in their coaching staff. Remember the 70's? Hafey was one of the hardest coaches ever. Think about the abuse players like Sheedy were on the end of - "bloody back pocket plumber".

Wallace needs to show the kids that he doesnt tolerate crap. Simply he needs to show his players that he has the Hafey attitude and not the Frawley attitude. Star players need to be taken down a peg - just so they can go out there and prove him wrong.

I'm pretty sure that after the loss in 2006 to Hawthorn in Tassie, he proceeded to give the players one of the greatest sprays any of them had received. I was at the after match function, and either Gary March or Greg Miller explained that the players would be late because Terry had kept them back at the ground, when they got there, it looked as if the stuffing had been knocked right out of them, so I don't doubt Terry's ability to give a decent spray

 

[Tigerrific]

After our terrible start to the season, Wallace became more focused on teaching the youngsters his game plan than he was about winning at all costs.

There were no attempts to use his clever tactical nouse like he did the previous season in the wins against Adelaide and Geelong. He was prepared to take the short term pain for the long term gain.

I expect him to be back to his usual tricks next year. We will show a respectable improvement and he will keep his job. You can't judge him just on 2007, he has rejuvenated our list and we just have to give him time whilst the kids mature.

 

[Flukey!]

He is coaching in 2009, no matter what we do in 2008.

Really? So a near-spoon expereince would see him continue? 4 years at a club is a long time without any success.

 

[jko'neal]

Every expert, every tipster and most people on this forum bar Richmond supporters will pick Richmond to finish last next year, that is a fact!
If Richmond improve on this season and inject more young players which will happen, he is the safest coach in the comp!!!!!!!! and unless Sheedy, Matthews,Malthouse or Roos put up thier hands for the Tiges coaching spot. I am very happy to see Wallace stay on as coach.

 

[I Rock]

Really? So a near-spoon expereince would see him continue? 4 years at a club is a long time without any success.

One sunny day doesn't make it summer, I'd be more worried about your mob backing 2007 up in 2008. At the end of 2009 one thing is for sure at Richmond, the club and the team list wil be much stronger than what it was at the end of 2004 and Wallace has and will make a big contribution towards it.

 

[Truetiger]

Terry will get a new contract with Richmond after his 5 years is up

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Wallace's job should be secure. But I quickly acknowledge that this is the Tigers we are talking about, and we've been known to implode and make rash decisions on such matters throughout our semi-recent history.

Establishing quantitative prerequisites is dangerous territory given the objectives of rebuilding from the ground up. That said, obviously another shitful start to the first half of the season will find him in trouble, whether they're thumpings (like 2006) or meritorious losses (2007).

Putting a "number of wins required in 2008" for Wallace's survival post-2008 is also fraught with danger - it's more to do with whether the decisions that he's made during his tenure regarding our playing personnel come to fruition rather than if we're 7-15 or 6-16.

I think Tiger supporters would forgive another 12th placed season if it was the likes of Deledio, Hughes, Tambling, Polo, Meyer etc steering our onfield successes rather than the usual reliables like Richo, Bowdo and Browny keeping us competitive.