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Star Wars The Acolyte

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Thanks, will check this out tonight. From what I googled earlier it didn’t seem anything as severe as what was suggested in your earlier post. I recall he once referred to Disney as white slavers, which caused significant fallout for him so I’m guessing he’s much more measured now in his public opinions.
 
True, I did acknowledge that.

For the casual fan though(which face it, most Star Wars 'fans' are filthy causals ;)), it's almost the same thing, hence a lot of people getting worked up by this.

Most casual fans aren't even aware of the context of Anakin's birth, as evidenced in this very thread.

The people getting worked up are not casual fans.
 
Thanks, will check this out tonight. From what I googled earlier it didn’t seem anything as severe as what was suggested in your earlier post. I recall he once referred to Disney as white slavers, which caused significant fallout for him so I’m guessing he’s much more measured now in his public opinions.

“I was the one who really knew what Star Wars was … who actually knew this world, because there’s a lot to it. The Force, for example, nobody understood the Force,” he said. “When they started other ones after I sold the company, a lot of the ideas that were in [the original] sort of got lost. But that’s the way it is. You give it up, you give it up.”

Wow what a ripping take down of all Disney content.
 
Would also be a tad ironic that George Lucas quit Star Wars because fanboys said he ruined their childhood and he's now complaining that Disney has ruined Star Wars. Even if he thought it, speaking about it publicly is just mind numbingly stupid.

Jedi Master - "Lets steal these children and turn them into jedis"
Hardcore Star Wars fan - "George Lucas stole my childhood"
 

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Do you understand Anakin's prophecy and why he was so special?

Do you?

Anakin was created through a vergence in the Force itself. It’s like saying there’s nothing different to the birth of Christ and IVF.

The witches created life through the bending and manipulation of the Force. Most likely through the manipulation of the midichlorians.

You know. The very thing Palpatine said Plagueis did in Revenge of the Sith. It’s hardly unprecedented and George Lucas himself came up with the concept.
 
Would also be a tad ironic that George Lucas quit Star Wars because fanboys said he ruined their childhood and he's now complaining that Disney has ruined Star Wars. Even if he thought it, speaking about it publicly is just mind numbingly stupid.
His opinion on the subject is allowed to change over time. It's not Osha's and Mae's haircuts.
 
Do you?

Anakin was created through a vergence in the Force itself. It’s like saying there’s nothing different to the birth of Christ and IVF.

The witches created life through the bending and manipulation of the Force. Most likely through the manipulation of the midichlorians.

You know. The very thing Palpatine said Plagueis did in Revenge of the Sith. It’s hardly unprecedented and George Lucas himself came up with the concept.
Is every protagonist now going to be conceived through the 'Force'? Kinda lazy writing and takes away anything special from the main character, if so.
 
George Lucas himself came out recently ad Cannes and deplored the fact that Disney has ruined his life's work.
That is absolute rubbish. From his Cannes comments the worst you’d logically infer is that he’d have done things a bit different. In fact, he recently spoke out in support of Bob Iger and his satisfaction with the overall direction Disney was going. He also remains in touch with key Lucasfilm figures such as Kennedy and Filoni, plus does set visits and provides consultation from time to time. He also remains a significant share holder in Disney stock. “White Slaver” comments aside, you could assume from all this he is generally satisfied with the way Star Wars has been handled since he sold it.

Kathleen Kennedy herself has said in the past that she wants to make Star Wars a 'female' franchise instead of one geared towards men. It's also come out recently that she's said that episode 4 of the Acolyte was the 'tester' for use of pronouns in the show and that they're going to push them more often in future episodes.

LOL. I’d love to see a direct source for either of these statements. Not something that’s been heavily filtered through dudebros YouTube or wehatedisney.com.

The fact is simple: when you take a franchise that's set a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away and inject it with present day identity politics, people are going to get upset about it, hence the review bombing.

Couple that with abysmal writing, your lead actress attacking the fanbase for being 'bigots' for not liking the show and shitting on George Lucas' legacy and you get the present day situation.

Here’s a hint. The fan base has never been attacked! Only the racists and bigots. If you’re offended n having your bigotry called out then that’s your problem.

Here’s another hint: terms like “Woke” and “Identity Politics” are made up phrases expressly to obfuscate the fact I have problem with seeing “those people” in, or creating, a thing.

Why can't Disney just write a good show and give the majority what they want? The fact is that most Star Wars fans are indeed males and I'd imagine most of them are straight also.

If you're going to give them a show geared towards women and LGBTQIA+, why act surprised when it isn't well received by the majority of the fanbase?

Is it aimed at the LGBTQIA+ community? I’ve not seen any specifically overt messaging. Even the witches are shown to be cultish and shady.

Yes, it includes representation for people in that community but I’d hardly call it propaganda, as some of the shrillest pearl-clutchers have claimed.

Are we so fragile that if it’s not made and created directly for men, by men, then we can’t engage with it?

Just make a different show, with an original theme FFS.

The ****ing irony of this statement.

George Lucas was right when he said Hollywood is incapable of making original shows, when they simply keep returning to the well and making rehashed of old content for a 'modern' audience.

LOL. The irony of this statement as well being that’s exactly what George acknowledges he did when he created both Star Wars and Indiana Jones.

All that aside, if the Acolyte was actually well written, people probably wouldn't have an issue with it. The simple fact is that it isn't, as evidenced by the writers admitting that they don't even know much about the original series.

Oh yes. The response to this series was incredibly objective and normal.

Review bombing before the first episode had even been released, incendiary “dislike” campaigns when the first trailer was dropped, predictions of the show’s demise months before we had even seen any footage or even a poster.

The only thing we knew was that it would be about the Sith, it would be set before the prequels, it would feature some cool fight scenes … oh yes and the director and lead were both gay.
 
His opinion on the subject is allowed to change over time. It's not Osha's and Mae's haircuts.

I'm not sure if you're familiar with the concept of irony.
 
That is absolute rubbish. From his Cannes comments the worst you’d logically infer is that he’d have done things a bit different. In fact, he recently spoke out in support of Bob Iger and his satisfaction with the overall direction Disney was going. He also remains in touch with key Lucasfilm figures such as Kennedy and Filoni, plus does set visits and provides consultation from time to time. He also remains a significant share holder in Disney stock. “White Slaver” comments aside, you could assume from all this he is generally satisfied with the way Star Wars has been handled since he sold it.



LOL. I’d love to see a direct source for either of these statements. Not something that’s been heavily filtered through dudebros YouTube or wehatedisney.com.



Here’s a hint. The fan base has never been attacked! Only the racists and bigots. If you’re offended n having your bigotry called out then that’s your problem.

Here’s another hint: terms like “Woke” and “Identity Politics” are made up phrases expressly to obfuscate the fact I have problem with seeing “those people” in, or creating, a thing.



Is it aimed at the LGBTQIA+ community? I’ve not seen any specifically overt messaging. Even the witches are shown to be cultish and shady.

Yes, it includes representation for people in that community but I’d hardly call it propaganda, as some of the shrillest pearl-clutchers have claimed.

Are we so fragile that if it’s not made and created directly for men, by men, then we can’t engage with it?



The ****ing irony of this statement.



LOL. The irony of this statement as well being that’s exactly what George acknowledges he did when he created both Star Wars and Indiana Jones.



Oh yes. The response to this series was incredibly objective and normal.

Review bombing before the first episode had even been released, incendiary “dislike” campaigns when the first trailer was dropped, predictions of the show’s demise months before we had even seen any footage or even a poster.

The only thing we knew was that it would be about the Sith, it would be set before the prequels, it would feature some cool fight scenes … oh yes and the director and lead were both gay.
That is absolute rubbish. From his Cannes comments the worst you’d logically infer is that he’d have done things a bit different. In fact, he recently spoke out in support of Bob Iger and his satisfaction with the overall direction Disney was going. He also remains in touch with key Lucasfilm figures such as Kennedy and Filoni, plus does set visits and provides consultation from time to time. He also remains a significant share holder in Disney stock. “White Slaver” comments aside, you could assume from all this he is generally satisfied with the way Star Wars has been handled since he sold it.



LOL. I’d love to see a direct source for either of these statements. Not something that’s been heavily filtered through dudebros YouTube or wehatedisney.com.



Here’s a hint. The fan base has never been attacked! Only the racists and bigots. If you’re offended n having your bigotry called out then that’s your problem.

Here’s another hint: terms like “Woke” and “Identity Politics” are made up phrases expressly to obfuscate the fact I have problem with seeing “those people” in, or creating, a thing.



Is it aimed at the LGBTQIA+ community? I’ve not seen any specifically overt messaging. Even the witches are shown to be cultish and shady.

Yes, it includes representation for people in that community but I’d hardly call it propaganda, as some of the shrillest pearl-clutchers have claimed.

Are we so fragile that if it’s not made and created directly for men, by men, then we can’t engage with it?



The ****ing irony of this statement.



LOL. The irony of this statement as well being that’s exactly what George acknowledges he did when he created both Star Wars and Indiana Jones.



Oh yes. The response to this series was incredibly objective and normal.

Review bombing before the first episode had even been released, incendiary “dislike” campaigns when the first trailer was dropped, predictions of the show’s demise months before we had even seen any footage or even a poster.

The only thing we knew was that it would be about the Sith, it would be set before the prequels, it would feature some cool fight scenes … oh yes and the director and lead were both gay.

I love that a show supposedly made for the LGBTQIA+ community has the only openly gay characters portrayed essentially as the villains. LOL.
 
That is absolute rubbish. From his Cannes comments the worst you’d logically infer is that he’d have done things a bit different. In fact, he recently spoke out in support of Bob Iger and his satisfaction with the overall direction Disney was going. He also remains in touch with key Lucasfilm figures such as Kennedy and Filoni, plus does set visits and provides consultation from time to time. He also remains a significant share holder in Disney stock. “White Slaver” comments aside, you could assume from all this he is generally satisfied with the way Star Wars has been handled since he sold it.



LOL. I’d love to see a direct source for either of these statements. Not something that’s been heavily filtered through dudebros YouTube or wehatedisney.com.



Here’s a hint. The fan base has never been attacked! Only the racists and bigots. If you’re offended n having your bigotry called out then that’s your problem.

Here’s another hint: terms like “Woke” and “Identity Politics” are made up phrases expressly to obfuscate the fact I have problem with seeing “those people” in, or creating, a thing.



Is it aimed at the LGBTQIA+ community? I’ve not seen any specifically overt messaging. Even the witches are shown to be cultish and shady.

Yes, it includes representation for people in that community but I’d hardly call it propaganda, as some of the shrillest pearl-clutchers have claimed.

Are we so fragile that if it’s not made and created directly for men, by men, then we can’t engage with it?



The ****ing irony of this statement.



LOL. The irony of this statement as well being that’s exactly what George acknowledges he did when he created both Star Wars and Indiana Jones.



Oh yes. The response to this series was incredibly objective and normal.

Review bombing before the first episode had even been released, incendiary “dislike” campaigns when the first trailer was dropped, predictions of the show’s demise months before we had even seen any footage or even a poster.

The only thing we knew was that it would be about the Sith, it would be set before the prequels, it would feature some cool fight scenes … oh yes and the director and lead were both gay.

The director(Harvey Weinstein's former personal assistant by the way) has a real problem with white men and actively goes out of her way to not hire any, regardless of whether they're the most qualified for the job or not, you're probably going to get your predominantly white male fanbase off side.

She has a history of this.

Original interview: https://www.theintervalny.com/interviews/2018/04/leslye-headland-on-writing-directing-and-creating/

Then calling any criticism of it rooted in bigotry and racism, is simply playing the victim card and failing to understand what your audience wants.

Whilst I'm sure there have been some people commenting who have made racist/hate comments about the director and actors, I highly doubt that the majority of people complaining are like this. Gaping plotholes such as Jedi have a mandate to take talented children from their parents/guardians at will, oh but only if you give permission, space fires and a stone citadel inside a mountain burning(?) and killing everyone inside indicate some seriously shoddy script writing, not to mention editing.

I'm personally disregarding to pronoun uproar because, to be honest, it was entirely passable within the interaction itself and I think the reaction to it has been completely over the top, at least for this episode.

Now, I'm not suggesting Leslye hasn't made good content in the past. I haven't seen anything else she's directed, after all, but her previous comments obviously didn't sit well with the majority of the fanbase, so I'm curious as to why it's suddenly all surprise Pikachu when the rating tank. Perhaps they should've hired someone more suitable for the genre to execute the vision and all these issues could've been avoided. It'd be like hiring Michael Bay to direct a Sex & the City movie and calling out the audience for complaining it doesn't cater tot he fans due to the action and explosives.

I mean, they originally hired a activist documentary maker +for the Rey movie, which kinda proves that Disney are more serious about pushing political messages into their films than actually delivering good content. Bob Iger himself admitted a few months ago that perhaps they're focusing on the 'message' over actual story too much, hence the tanking Disney stock prices.

Do I think it's a 14% on RT? No, it's clearly better than that, but people have no other avenue to express their frustration at the direction Lucasfilm has taken the SW franchise over the years and the rot began long ago. Remember the infamous "Somehow, Palpatine returned"?

Especially when heads at Lucasfilm and Marvel have been blaming the fans for their recent string of failures and not been introspective and realised that perhaps they are pandering to a minority audience and not giving the majority what they want.

Dave Filoni should really be the one taking the heat anyway, he's the creative head and the one that greenlit most of the stuff that's copped backlash recently.

Like it or not, historically Star Wars fans have been male. The overall premise of the story appeals far more to the male hero fantasy, same with the MCU. It's not 'bigoted' to say this, as it is a fact. Obviously plenty of women like Star Wars also but, as a whole, it's the kind of story that has historically appealed far more to men.

Why does Disney continue to try to make content for these franchises and not appeal to what the majority of the fanbase wants? if they do that, it's money in the bank. Instead, they are making loss after loss after loss.
 
Is every protagonist now going to be conceived through the 'Force'? Kinda lazy writing and takes away anything special from the main character, if so.

Not really, given that Headland has noted the scene between Anakin and Palpatine in RotS served as a major inspiration for developing The Acolyte, I’d assume that what happens in this show is in direct reference to what Palpatine is talking about.

Don’t know why we’re all of a sudden leaping to the conclusion that all the protagonists will be created by the force going forward.
 

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I mean, they originally hired a activist documentary maker +for the Rey movie, which kinda proves that Disney are more serious about pushing political messages into their films than actually delivering good content. Bob Iger himself admitted a few months ago that perhaps they're focusing on the 'message' over actual story too much, hence the tanking Disney stock prices.

Star Wars has always been political. Disney stock price is up 12% this year.
 
The director(Harvey Weinstein's former personal assistant by the way) has a real problem with white men and actively goes out of her way to not hire any, regardless of whether they're the most qualified for the job or not, you're probably going to get your predominantly white male fanbase off side.

She has a history of this.

Original interview: https://www.theintervalny.com/interviews/2018/04/leslye-headland-on-writing-directing-and-creating/

Then calling any criticism of it rooted in bigotry and racism, is simply playing the victim card and failing to understand what your audience wants.

Whilst I'm sure there have been some people commenting who have made racist/hate comments about the director and actors, I highly doubt that the majority of people complaining are like this. Gaping plotholes such as Jedi have a mandate to take talented children from their parents/guardians at will, oh but only if you give permission, space fires and a stone citadel inside a mountain burning(?) and killing everyone inside indicate some seriously shoddy script writing, not to mention editing.

I'm personally disregarding to pronoun uproar because, to be honest, it was entirely passable within the interaction itself and I think the reaction to it has been completely over the top, at least for this episode.

Now, I'm not suggesting Leslye hasn't made good content in the past. I haven't seen anything else she's directed, after all, but her previous comments obviously didn't sit well with the majority of the fanbase, so I'm curious as to why it's suddenly all surprise Pikachu when the rating tank. Perhaps they should've hired someone more suitable for the genre to execute the vision and all these issues could've been avoided. It'd be like hiring Michael Bay to direct a Sex & the City movie and calling out the audience for complaining it doesn't cater tot he fans due to the action and explosives.

I mean, they originally hired a activist documentary maker +for the Rey movie, which kinda proves that Disney are more serious about pushing political messages into their films than actually delivering good content. Bob Iger himself admitted a few months ago that perhaps they're focusing on the 'message' over actual story too much, hence the tanking Disney stock prices.

Do I think it's a 14% on RT? No, it's clearly better than that, but people have no other avenue to express their frustration at the direction Lucasfilm has taken the SW franchise over the years and the rot began long ago. Remember the infamous "Somehow, Palpatine returned"?

Especially when heads at Lucasfilm and Marvel have been blaming the fans for their recent string of failures and not been introspective and realised that perhaps they are pandering to a minority audience and not giving the majority what they want.

Dave Filoni should really be the one taking the heat anyway, he's the creative head and the one that greenlit most of the stuff that's copped backlash recently.

Like it or not, historically Star Wars fans have been male. The overall premise of the story appeals far more to the male hero fantasy, same with the MCU. It's not 'bigoted' to say this, as it is a fact. Obviously plenty of women like Star Wars also but, as a whole, it's the kind of story that has historically appealed far more to men.

Why does Disney continue to try to make content for these franchises and not appeal to what the majority of the fanbase wants? if they do that, it's money in the bank. Instead, they are making loss after loss after loss.

Damn, must suck for all the white guys in this show to know that they didn't actually get hired and aren't going to get paid for their work.
 
Damn, must suck for all the white guys in this show to know that they didn't actually get hired and aren't going to get paid for their work.
Surprised they hired any to begin with, considering what's come out in the last day or so.



But anyway, this isn't about the Acolyte, so I'll leave this particular topic of discussion to a more relevant thread.
 
Surprised they hired any to begin with, considering what's come out in the last day or so.



But anyway, this isn't about the Acolyte, so I'll leave this particular topic of discussion to a more relevant thread.


My god can anyone actually discuss this stuff without spiralling into DudeTube to find crazy fringe lunatics spouting crackpot nonsense?

Star Wars is creatively headed by a white guy. The majority of the projects have been helmed, and continue to be helmed by white guys. The next show to be released, Skeleton Crew stars Jude Law, a white dude. This stuff is utter rubbish at every level.
 
My god can anyone actually discuss this stuff without spiralling into DudeTube to find crazy fringe lunatics spouting crackpot nonsense?

Star Wars is creatively headed by a white guy. The majority of the projects have been helmed, and continue to be helmed by white guys. The next show to be released, Skeleton Crew stars Jude Law, a white dude. This stuff is utter rubbish at every level.
That is a VP of Disney saying they are told not to hire White guys.

And it's not just one in the video.

Perhaps watch it first, then come back to me.

And you're right, I do find it extremely odd that white guys are telling people below them not to hire white guys.

They're financially incentivized by Blackrock not to.

But anyway, like I said, moving on because this is going down a rabbit hole unrelated to the thread topic.
 

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That is a VP of Disney saying they are told not to hire White guys.

And it's not just one in the video.

Perhaps watch it first, then come back to me.

And you're right, I do find it extremely odd that white guys are telling people below them not to hire white guys.

They're financially incentivized by Blackrock not to.

But anyway, like I said, moving on because this is going down a rabbit hole unrelated to the thread topic.

I have zero interest in watching that rubbish.
 
The director(Harvey Weinstein's former personal assistant by the way) has a real problem with white men and actively goes out of her way to not hire any, regardless of whether they're the most qualified for the job or not, you're probably going to get your predominantly white male fanbase off side.

She has a history of this.

Original interview: https://www.theintervalny.com/interviews/2018/04/leslye-headland-on-writing-directing-and-creating/

Then calling any criticism of it rooted in bigotry and racism, is simply playing the victim card and failing to understand what your audience wants.

Whilst I'm sure there have been some people commenting who have made racist/hate comments about the director and actors, I highly doubt that the majority of people complaining are like this. Gaping plotholes such as Jedi have a mandate to take talented children from their parents/guardians at will, oh but only if you give permission, space fires and a stone citadel inside a mountain burning(?) and killing everyone inside indicate some seriously shoddy script writing, not to mention editing.

I'm personally disregarding to pronoun uproar because, to be honest, it was entirely passable within the interaction itself and I think the reaction to it has been completely over the top, at least for this episode.

Now, I'm not suggesting Leslye hasn't made good content in the past. I haven't seen anything else she's directed, after all, but her previous comments obviously didn't sit well with the majority of the fanbase, so I'm curious as to why it's suddenly all surprise Pikachu when the rating tank. Perhaps they should've hired someone more suitable for the genre to execute the vision and all these issues could've been avoided. It'd be like hiring Michael Bay to direct a Sex & the City movie and calling out the audience for complaining it doesn't cater tot he fans due to the action and explosives.

I mean, they originally hired a activist documentary maker +for the Rey movie, which kinda proves that Disney are more serious about pushing political messages into their films than actually delivering good content. Bob Iger himself admitted a few months ago that perhaps they're focusing on the 'message' over actual story too much, hence the tanking Disney stock prices.

Do I think it's a 14% on RT? No, it's clearly better than that, but people have no other avenue to express their frustration at the direction Lucasfilm has taken the SW franchise over the years and the rot began long ago. Remember the infamous "Somehow, Palpatine returned"?

Especially when heads at Lucasfilm and Marvel have been blaming the fans for their recent string of failures and not been introspective and realised that perhaps they are pandering to a minority audience and not giving the majority what they want.

Dave Filoni should really be the one taking the heat anyway, he's the creative head and the one that greenlit most of the stuff that's copped backlash recently.

Like it or not, historically Star Wars fans have been male. The overall premise of the story appeals far more to the male hero fantasy, same with the MCU. It's not 'bigoted' to say this, as it is a fact. Obviously plenty of women like Star Wars also but, as a whole, it's the kind of story that has historically appealed far more to men.

Why does Disney continue to try to make content for these franchises and not appeal to what the majority of the fanbase wants? if they do that, it's money in the bank. Instead, they are making loss after loss after loss.
Your claim that Star Wars is making loss after loss without acknowledging it to be an industry wide phenomenon.

In fact:
  • Star Wars was the most streamed series of 2023;
  • Star Wars was named the top film franchise of 2023;
  • Star Wars is the strongest toy brand of 2023

To keep this relevant to The Acolyte, the inference that white men have essentially been banned from the writers room is an absolute furphy. Not only have they been involved in the writing but also across all aspects of its development - including, as you’ve already noted, the actual green lighting of the series.

Your analogy about Bay completely misses the mark. While what Headland has created may include slightly different themes and concepts, it is still very much within the same style as other Star Wars media. Especially compared to something like Andor which had a significant, and deliberate tonal shift from “regular” Star Wars to something more mature.

Lucas has always maintained he made Star Wars for everyone. Step outside the dudebros echo chamber and you will notice that this is true. That’s why it’s so huge, and continues to be. It appeals to everyone, not just a niche group of white men.
 
“I was the one who really knew what Star Wars was … who actually knew this world, because there’s a lot to it. The Force, for example, nobody understood the Force,” he said. “When they started other ones after I sold the company, a lot of the ideas that were in [the original] sort of got lost. But that’s the way it is. You give it up, you give it up.”

Wow what a ripping take down of all Disney content.

Wow, that’s it? That’s about as severe as it gets? Geez. I can imagine though it’s given those YouTube channels some fantastic clickbait videos that appeal to their fragile target audience and drive further activity/subscribers etc.
 
Wow, that’s it? That’s about as severe as it gets? Geez. I can imagine though it’s given those YouTube channels some fantastic clickbait videos that appeal to their fragile target audience and drive further activity/subscribers etc.
There was a lot more than that, it's clear that's all the poster could be bothered selectively quoting. Feel free to watch it for yourself :)
 

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