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There was a lot more than that, it's clear that's all the poster could be bothered selectively quoting. Feel free to watch it for yourself :)
No I searched about four articles and that was the most noteworthy comment worth printing.
 
It really isn't.
You literally have a video of Disney execs caught red-handed stating that their hiring processes prevent them from hiring white males for certain roles(ironic, considering the execs are white) and you still refuse to believe it.

More of this will come, I imagine. Expect this to turn into a big law suit.
 

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Your claim that Star Wars is making loss after loss without acknowledging it to be an industry wide phenomenon.

In fact:
  • Star Wars was the most streamed series of 2023;
  • Star Wars was named the top film franchise of 2023;
  • Star Wars is the strongest toy brand of 2023

To keep this relevant to The Acolyte, the inference that white men have essentially been banned from the writers room is an absolute furphy. Not only have they been involved in the writing but also across all aspects of its development - including, as you’ve already noted, the actual green lighting of the series.

Your analogy about Bay completely misses the mark. While what Headland has created may include slightly different themes and concepts, it is still very much within the same style as other Star Wars media. Especially compared to something like Andor which had a significant, and deliberate tonal shift from “regular” Star Wars to something more mature.

Lucas has always maintained he made Star Wars for everyone. Step outside the dudebros echo chamber and you will notice that this is true. That’s why it’s so huge, and continues to be. It appeals to everyone, not just a niche group of white men.
Star Wars still hasn't made a return on investment since Disney acquired Lucasfilm in 2012.


In fact, a lot of their 'revenue' is projected on future streams over the next decade.
 
So is this show as shit as the IMDb scores say? Is it worse than Boba Fett? Haven’t seen it yet.

It's much better than aimlessly scrolling through netflix menus looking for something to watch. Probably not worse than Boba Fett.

Disclosure - I don't watch weird youtube influencers, or look at Disney profit and loss statements. I'd be just as happy if this show was a cartoon, regardless of how many white guys.
 
The director(Harvey Weinstein's former personal assistant by the way) has a real problem with white men and actively goes out of her way to not hire any, regardless of whether they're the most qualified for the job or not, you're probably going to get your predominantly white male fanbase off side.

She has a history of this.

Original interview: https://www.theintervalny.com/interviews/2018/04/leslye-headland-on-writing-directing-and-creating/

Then calling any criticism of it rooted in bigotry and racism, is simply playing the victim card and failing to understand what your audience wants.

Whilst I'm sure there have been some people commenting who have made racist/hate comments about the director and actors, I highly doubt that the majority of people complaining are like this. Gaping plotholes such as Jedi have a mandate to take talented children from their parents/guardians at will, oh but only if you give permission, space fires and a stone citadel inside a mountain burning(?) and killing everyone inside indicate some seriously shoddy script writing, not to mention editing.

I'm personally disregarding to pronoun uproar because, to be honest, it was entirely passable within the interaction itself and I think the reaction to it has been completely over the top, at least for this episode.

Now, I'm not suggesting Leslye hasn't made good content in the past. I haven't seen anything else she's directed, after all, but her previous comments obviously didn't sit well with the majority of the fanbase, so I'm curious as to why it's suddenly all surprise Pikachu when the rating tank. Perhaps they should've hired someone more suitable for the genre to execute the vision and all these issues could've been avoided. It'd be like hiring Michael Bay to direct a Sex & the City movie and calling out the audience for complaining it doesn't cater tot he fans due to the action and explosives.

I mean, they originally hired a activist documentary maker +for the Rey movie, which kinda proves that Disney are more serious about pushing political messages into their films than actually delivering good content. Bob Iger himself admitted a few months ago that perhaps they're focusing on the 'message' over actual story too much, hence the tanking Disney stock prices.

Do I think it's a 14% on RT? No, it's clearly better than that, but people have no other avenue to express their frustration at the direction Lucasfilm has taken the SW franchise over the years and the rot began long ago. Remember the infamous "Somehow, Palpatine returned"?

Especially when heads at Lucasfilm and Marvel have been blaming the fans for their recent string of failures and not been introspective and realised that perhaps they are pandering to a minority audience and not giving the majority what they want.

Dave Filoni should really be the one taking the heat anyway, he's the creative head and the one that greenlit most of the stuff that's copped backlash recently.

Like it or not, historically Star Wars fans have been male. The overall premise of the story appeals far more to the male hero fantasy, same with the MCU. It's not 'bigoted' to say this, as it is a fact. Obviously plenty of women like Star Wars also but, as a whole, it's the kind of story that has historically appealed far more to men.

Why does Disney continue to try to make content for these franchises and not appeal to what the majority of the fanbase wants? if they do that, it's money in the bank. Instead, they are making loss after loss after loss.

How is it a gaping plot hole can I ask? Qui Gonn literally rolls into Tatooine, and a day or two later decides to “free” Anakin to bring him to be trained. The closest thing he came to obtaining “permission” or consent from his mother was to comfort her with “if you were in the republic, we would’ve identified him earlier”.

She literally had to ask him after the podrace “is he going with you, is he to become a Jedi?”

I do not even know what it is you are trying to argue, and I dare suggest that extends to the channels you are choosing to watch and be influenced by. I’d question whether they know either.
 
How is it a gaping plot hole can I ask? Qui Gonn literally rolls into Tatooine, and a day or two later decides to “free” Anakin to bring him to be trained. The closest thing he came to obtaining “permission” or consent from his mother was to comfort her with “if you were in the republic, we would’ve identified him earlier”.

She literally had to ask him after the podrace “is he going with you, is he to become a Jedi?”

I do not even know what it is you are trying to argue, and I dare suggest that extends to the channels you are choosing to watch and be influenced by. I’d question whether they know either.
No, I'm giving examples of why the ratings tanked, as someone asked, not why I personally don't particularly like it. The convo obviously deviated very far from there.

I just don't think it's very good but if other people are enjoying it, power to them.
 
No, I'm giving examples of why the ratings tanked, as someone asked, not why I personally don't particularly like it. The convo obviously deviated very far from there.

I just don't think it's very good but if other people are enjoying it, power to them.

You referred to a “gaping plot hole”though. What is that plot hole?
 
Perhaps I should've said 'poor scripting' instead.

Gaping plothole was probably the wrong thing, based off the examples I gave.

That entire sequence of that nighttime ceremony etc I felt was substandard, and could’ve been done so much better. However that specific reference you’ve made, Jedi rolling and basically just stating it as fact they will be taking children with them, if anything, is entirely consistent with what’s been established prior.
 
Lucas Film could learn from whoever made The Expanse. One of the best sci-fis in recent memory, but in terms of identity politics and inclusivity, tey did it really well....they had strong good women, strong bad women, weak women, strong good men, strong bad men, weak men....and all represented by a variety of races -- white, color, asian, old, young, etc, as well as gays/straight.
 
That entire sequence of that nighttime ceremony etc I felt was substandard, and could’ve been done so much better. However that specific reference you’ve made, Jedi rolling and basically just stating it as fact they will be taking children with them, if anything, is entirely consistent with what’s been established prior.
No that's what I mean, they state they'll be taking them with them. then they ask for permission, after saying they'll take them with them...
 

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Someone's leaked Darth Dentures identity.
Despite the leak, i think theres still a lot more to reveal, a bigger picture beyond the identity of that individual. Essence transference. An actual secret master behind it. Someone known in canon/legends. Something to do with all those dots on peoples faces is a bigger clue. A connection between the coven and another powerful person in the story (not gonna say their name).
 
Star Wars still hasn't made a return on investment since Disney acquired Lucasfilm in 2012.


In fact, a lot of their 'revenue' is projected on future streams over the next decade.

The point of my post was to show that this drop in profits for is actually industry wide. Despite this, Star Wars has actually gained ground over other franchises to be the most popular of 2023. In other words, it’s hardly dead as some would have us believe.

Unless you’re Bob Iger I’m not too sure why you’d care whether Star Wars has made its profit back any way but besides that, the article you’ve linked to isn’t actually the win you think it is. Anyone who actually accounts for all avenues for profit (unlike the article) could tell you Disney more than made back their purchase. If you actually read it, not just it’s title, you'd note that the writer openly admits that her data is faulty and incomplete.

In particular she has based her calculations on what are basically Cost of Sales without acknowledging revenue or HOW revenue and CoS are generated. Eg. TFA’s production company incurred CoS of £57m but also generated revenue of £49m for the same period. This gives a net loss of £-8m. Yet in the article it’s reported as £57m. It makes no sense.

She also does not discuss that the production company continued to generate CoS and revenue each year after release. What do these even relate to? Are they movie budget too? What about the revenue here? Additionally, what about the revenue generated in the years running up to the release? Why is only money out a factor, while money in is ignored?

Also, note there is no comparison between Disney’s approach and that of any other film production company that makes movies in the UK. The article is also materially wrong as it talks about marketing costs not being included which, if she’d done her research properly, she’d know IS included in Disney’s budgets.

She also misunderstands the way that Disney separates its divisions. Parks is separate to the division that makes legacy TV and movies, and the two could never overlap so her point here is irrelevant.

Also no mention of D+ which is likely to be the biggest revenue source after movies, but again accounted for in a different division.

The author (and Forbes) obviously roll this argument out regularly as it makes great clickbait, however they haven’t spent the time to thoroughly investigate their position. Very sloppy work.
 
Whilst I'm sure there have been some people commenting who have made racist/hate comments about the director and actors, I highly doubt that the majority of people complaining are like this. Gaping plotholes such as Jedi have a mandate to take talented children from their parents/guardians at will, oh but only if you give permission, space fires and a stone citadel inside a mountain burning(?) and killing everyone inside indicate some seriously shoddy script writing, not to mention editing.

There’s enough that actors and creators have dumped their socials, sought counselling, and provoked an official Lucasfilm response to call it out.

With regard to the supposed gaping plot holes: the Jedi identifying and taking children into the order has been established for the last 25 years. As for fires in space: I’d like to introduce you to the entire back catalogue of a little franchise we call Star Wars. (Sorry, I have no idea what you’re even referring to about the burning citadel but I’m assuming it’s as banal and inconsequential as the previous complaints).

My point is, these issues have not been a problem in fandom until now. They’re being raised now, however, to desperately legitimise the truly bizarre hatred and vehemence that’s continually leveled at the show.

I'm personally disregarding to pronoun uproar because, to be honest, it was entirely passable within the interaction itself and I think the reaction to it has been completely over the top, at least for this episode.

Then why do you continue to bring it up as a point of issue with the series. It sounds to me like you’re trying to have it both ways.

Why does Disney continue to try to make content for these franchises and not appeal to what the majority of the fanbase wants? if they do that, it's money in the bank. Instead, they are making loss after loss after loss.
Holy shit! What the **** can they do?

They tried to bring back Star Wars by reminding us why we love it and play off the original films beats.
FAN RESPONSE: Bah! That’s just a rip off of A New Hope.

They tried to go the other way and make something that was a bit different and challenge our conceptual understanding of Star Wars.
FAN RESPONSE: That’s too different. ****ing die.

They tried to go middle of of the road with something new but also nostalgic:
FAN RESPONSE: Too safe. Let’s not even bother watching it. Give us something new.

They tried to make a series set in an unexplored time period, showcasing cool fight scenes, featuring the Sith and dark magic
FAN RESPONSE: Bah! Fires in space. Also, the director and lead actor are gay.

Star Wars fans have so many conditions to enjoy Star Wars. They’re IMPOSSIBLE to please.
 
There’s enough that actors and creators have dumped their socials, sought counselling, and provoked an official Lucasfilm response to call it out.


Maybe they shouldn't try attacking the fans first? Bad reviews doesn't = bigotry.

I'll tell you who I admire during this whole shitshow that's been Disney Lucasfilm: Daisy Ridley.

When the upcoming(?) Rey movie was announced, all she talked about was how much she loved the franchise and looked forward tot he new movie.

It's a pity others in Lucasfilm can't take a leaf out of her book.

With regard to the supposed gaping plot holes: the Jedi identifying and taking children into the order has been established for the last 25 years. As for fires in space: I’d like to introduce you to the entire back catalogue of a little franchise we call Star Wars. (Sorry, I have no idea what you’re even referring to about the burning citadel but I’m assuming it’s as banal and inconsequential as the previous complaints).

Umm, the entire witch coven died due to a fire, no? In the middle of a rocky mountain with no wood, no less.

My point is, these issues have not been a problem in fandom until now. They’re being raised now, however, to desperately legitimise the truly bizarre hatred and vehemence that’s continually leveled at the show.

I think most people just don't like the show. That doesn't make them 'racist' or 'bigoted' like Disney is calling them out to be.

Then why do you continue to bring it up as a point of issue with the series. It sounds to me like you’re trying to have it both ways.


Holy shit! What the **** can they do?

They tried to bring back Star Wars by reminding us why we love it and play off the original films beats.
FAN RESPONSE: Bah! That’s just a rip off of A New Hope.

They tried to go the other way and make something that was a bit different and challenge our conceptual understanding of Star Wars.
FAN RESPONSE: That’s too different. ****ing die.

They tried to go middle of of the road with something new but also nostalgic:
FAN RESPONSE: Too safe. Let’s not even bother watching it. Give us something new.

They tried to make a series set in an unexplored time period, showcasing cool fight scenes, featuring the Sith and dark magic
FAN RESPONSE: Bah! Fires in space. Also, the director and lead actor are gay.

Star Wars fans have so many conditions to enjoy Star Wars. They’re IMPOSSIBLE to please.

They can take look at episodes 4-6, understand what made them great and make movies/series in a similar vein. That's literally it.

Don't make anything different.

Don't make your own 'creative' take on it.

Just give the audience what they want and you'll print money.

Simple.
 
You literally have a video of Disney execs caught red-handed stating that their hiring processes prevent them from hiring white males for certain roles(ironic, considering the execs are white) and you still refuse to believe it.

More of this will come, I imagine. Expect this to turn into a big law suit.

So you’re impressed by that video?

Perhaps you should turn that critical eye you’ve had keenly focused on The Acolyte and give this supposed “scoop” a once over.

The most up to date info I can find on this guy in the interview is five years old. He's certainly not the current SVP of 20th TV Business Affairs. That's a guy called Franklin Walker. Also, the LinkedIn page referred to in the video is mysteriously deleted.

Plus The fact that he has two separate "hidden" cameras is a bit of a red flag, too. Not to mention the fact that the media company responsible for the recording have been exposed faking this kind of thing before.

But, hey, there's a large market of angry anti-fans desperate to be fed news about "woke" Hollywood victimising white guys.

Why let actual facts get in the way of that?
 
So you’re impressed by that video?

Perhaps you should turn that critical eye you’ve had keenly focused on The Acolyte and give this supposed “scoop” a once over.

The most up to date info I can find on this guy in the interview is five years old. He's certainly not the current SVP of 20th TV Business Affairs. That's a guy called Franklin Walker. Also, the LinkedIn page referred to in the video is mysteriously deleted.

Plus The fact that he has two separate "hidden" cameras is a bit of a red flag, too. Not to mention the fact that the media company responsible for the recording have been exposed faking this kind of thing before.

But, hey, there's a large market of angry anti-fans desperate to be fed news about "woke" Hollywood victimising white guys.

Why let actual facts get in the way of that?
There's a number of people in the video.

Disney's reputation has only gotten worse for this kind of stuff recently, to the point Bob Iger himself said they need to focus on good scripting and filmmaking instead of spreading the 'message' in films(not Lucasfilm specific).

Me personally, I'm not overly concerned over the 'woke' parts that Star Wars is accused of in recent times. It's just the shitty shows they keep churning out that I'm disappointed in myself.
 

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