The BIG 5

[Mighty Hawk]

Are we part of it?








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The BIG 5

 

[Philhawk]

id like to agree with you but I dont know what that table is portraying?

please explain

 

[Mighty Hawk]

I just think we have turned it around as a club
and heading in the right direction for once.

 

[Spook]

?? what game stats are they??

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

That is performance from 1983 to 1991 isn't it?

 

[Hawkk]

Are we part of it?








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The BIG 5

2 years ago it would have been a definate "yes", now it is a yes but with alot less confidence then I had before hand.

I think we have to start winning before we consider our selves in that company again. Having said that, this is the last I will say on the topic.

Just think; Roughy,Buddy,Tucky,Kennedy,Kennedy,"angry pills" Lewis and many many more. The future looks bright

I can feel a 10th and then an 11th flag on the cards

 

[Charlie Beagle]

You cant just add Hawthorn into the Big 4 and make it a big 5 just because you go for them

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

You cant just add Hawthorn into the Big 4 and make it a big 5 just because you go for them

It's a free country, he can do what he likes. Especially on the Hawks Board.

 

[Charlie Beagle]

It's a free country, he can do what he likes. Especially on the Hawks Board.

fair enough

 

[Hawkk]

You cant just add Hawthorn into the Big 4 and make it a big 5 just because you go for them

I cant see why not.

I mean pretty much all evidence points to Hawthorn being a worthy acception.
Members, facilities, fans, dosh, success each Hawthorn passes with ease.

IMO it either a "big 3" Collingwood,Carlton and Essendon or a "Big 5"

 

[Charlie Beagle]

I cant see why not.

I mean pretty much all evidence points to Hawthorn being a worthy acception.
Members, facilities, fans, dosh, success each Hawthorn passes with ease.

IMO it either a "big 3" Collingwood,Carlton and Essendon or a "Big 5"

Lets just make it a "Big 16" and everyones happy

 

[Mighty Hawk]

That is performance from 1983 to 1991 isn't it?

You cant just add Hawthorn into the Big 4 and make it a big 5 just because you go for them

I only had the big 5 becuase i wanted to show just how CRAP of a side Richmond actually is

 

[Hawks88bestever]

I only had the big 5 becuase i wanted to show just how CRAP of a side Richmond actually is

Good call...they should really go the way of Fitzroy & University & everyone would be happy.

 

[Hawkk]

Lets just make it a "Big 16" and everyones happy

Charlie I understand you are new so you may not understand but this is a pet hate for me.

I am more for a "big 3" rather then a "big 5."

WHY..

Because I debate the fact that Richmond should be considered of higher importance then the likes of the Hawks etc.

Carlton,Collingwood and Essendon, are the 3 teams that have dominated the game for 100+ years, they have the most flags, by some distance, traditionally the most money and have by far the largest membership come supporter base.

On the other hand, Richmond have only won 10 flags, have a membership base smaller then teams considered the minows, and have a supporter base which isnt really that much larger then others under neath them.

I understand I sound like a broken record on this topic, but there is alot of evidence that points to a team like Hawthorn, who has expanded in recent years; thanks to on field and off field relocation being much much much closer in size to Richmond then many people often realise, even evidence to suggest of leap frogging them (which I am not a subscriber to). There is alot of conjecture over such matters which I will not get into on this forum as I have been there to many times. (supporter size)

Thats why I believe a "big 5" or "big 3" is the only way to go.

I would be much more supportive of a "big 3" then a "big 4" or a "big 5" because when you look at it, it is these teams that are the Victorian teams that have the resources to compete with the interstate teams.

While at times I disagree with the future Dicker has guided the club towards, I am in total support of this statement said back at the end of 2003.

http://hawthornfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=presview_display&articleid=120365

Collingwood and Essendon are as strong as the interstate Clubs and Carlton and Richmond could be, with their strong support. I think Hawthorn is in that category. But, except with Collingwood and Essendon, anything could happen.
Ten teams against strong opposition is definitely too many. The AFL strategy of reducing the number was right, but they did it the wrong way. Five Clubs have negative net assets and continue to trade on guarantees from future income. Eventually it will catch up, but the latest AFL plan is to give money to loss-making Clubs to sustain them. Again, wrong as it will not build support – only sustain the Clubs.

So, watch the seeds. It could be possible for further relocations, two obvious ones; it may mean a different mix of Melbourne games, I hope it won’t
mean less Clubs.

I think most people with a long enough memory would agree that if there was a "big 5" the teams that have been mentioned would form the guts of the group, and most would also agree that these 5 clubs are the most profitable, most membered, most successful and probably the most popular Victorian clubs, when flying high. Thats a given in my books.

But what I am saying is that IMO, a big 3 exists out of the Victorian clubs, consisting of Carlton,Collingwood and Essendon. If others would be included they would be Richmond and Hawthorn IN THAT ORDER.

To say "the big 4" + Hawthorn, is in a sense fake nostaliga, as in reality evidence points to a different fact. I believe that Hawthorn at times, is under rated, I understand that in the last 2 years our gates havent been flash but from 1997-2003, we averaged a solid 5th,6th,4th,6th,5th,3rd,5th out of the Victorian teams, while competing in our least successful period of 7 years in more then 3 decades.

So in conclusion I consider the "big teams" in Victoria being Carlton,Collingwood and Essendon.

That is of course excluding the very powerful interstate teams

 

[Hawkk]

I only had the big 5 becuase i wanted to show just how CRAP of a side Richmond actually is

It should be the big 3 + Richmond and Hawthorn.

Im being predantic arent I.

I am bord with bagging Richmond, I mean come on, why give the ferals the sense of belonging that comes with bagging them, when we have bigger fish to fry. I mean 25 years and counting of medicorty saids it all in a nutshell I believe