The cop out

[Bojangles17]

She writes all your stuff doesn't she?
Cum'on admit it lol

No, she doesn't suffer fools like I do, more direct and straight to the point

 

[froars]

No, she doesn't suffer fools like I do, more direct and straight to the point

That's bad luck isn't it that you have to.
Poor pet = suffer lol

 

[tigerT]

I was drawing the parallel that thompson was almost out on his ear then in came Neil Balme and a couple of past players propped up as assts..the identies of which are completley irrelevant...Facts are, the Club determined they were heading on a road to nowhere and chartered a new course that history shows us proved correct. Your borderline ******ed argument suggests the sacking of Miller and the additions of Campbo and free have disrupted TWs quest for glory., further to that , the perfomance four years into his reign did not warrant changes to be made ...yeah right...have another double shot of beam and coke brother, cant wait for the next edition

Seeing that you avoided answering the first time, I'll ask again; where in my post did I state that the miller sacking along with the free and campbell appointments "disrupted TW's quest for glory, further to that, the perfomance four years into his reign did not warrant changes to be made?" Don't make assumptions on my behalf, I was inferring exactly what I said, I see no benefit in bringing in Free and Campbell, we could've and should've done better, simple as that. They are hardly credentialed to lead us out of the mire like you think they will

Like I mentioned in my first post, clearly clutching at straws

 

[1980]

it's the principal you complete boofhead...the claim was based on past players being a destablising influence..FFS ,Geelong was turned upside down and assistants appointed all around Bomber thompson, yeah really screwed their prospects...TW dug his own grave and the seeds were sown in 2005 draft with 5 picks in top 20, the rest is history ...to suggest he was going along fine until a couple of tiger identites turned up is absurd at best, ridicuous at worst...get your brain in gear before posting in future, or take the advice my mother once said...if you havent got anything nice to say , say nothing at all

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@U blowjangles

NFI

Still living in the land of Richmond were great when Tony Free and Wayne Campbell played footy for us so we need them back at the club.

It is simply way beyond you that success is more than the coach. We can go on and sack another 20 coaches and you still wont learn from it. The RFC board sack coaches to deflect responsibility from themselves. In every single post I have reiterated they shouldnt be let off the hook. Coaches alone dont build a winninng culture across a footy club alone you stupid man. Ask Brian Cook and Neil Balme.

On the question of past players they went out and found Campbell & Free who was running a fruit shop; The football equivalent of Danny Frawley. They have won as many wooden spoons as each other. If Balme and Malthouse were being recruited back to the club, every single supporter would be doing handstands the way you are about Tony Free and Campbell

 

[1980]

I was drawing the parallel that thompson was almost out on his ear then in came Neil Balme and a couple of past players propped up as assts..the identies of which are completley irrelevant...Facts are, the Club determined they were heading on a road to nowhere and chartered a new course that history shows us proved correct. Your borderline ******ed argument suggests the sacking of Miller and the additions of Campbo and free have disrupted TWs quest for glory., further to that , the perfomance four years into his reign did not warrant changes to be made ...yeah right...have another double shot of beam and coke brother, cant wait for the next edition

The argument I made was that our footy club is much more fragile than Geelong. It has a weaker culture, and has gone for a lot more years without finals and success.

Accordingly, if the idea was to copy Geelong's program, that was never going to work. We are not a big enough club to do what Geelong did, and we certainly didnt have someone as experienced as Balme steering it all through.

FFS we had Tony Free doing footy dept reviews.

Compare Balme and Free and then have a think about what you're arguing about.

 

[Bruce Monteath]

I believe it was actually Brian Cook who oversaw and implemented Geelong's football department review. The same Brian Cook who is widely regarded as the best CEO in the competition. He's no Tony Free though...

 

[IDGAF]

I was drawing the parallel that thompson was almost out on his ear then in came Neil Balme :

Sorry Bo .... but the hiring of Neil Balme was hardly "Geelong for Geelong" was it

Best available person for the job .

You could compare him to Harvey Keitels "The Wolf" in Pulp Fiction ... he solved problems and enjoyed a nice cup of coffee .

The moral of this story , and i defy you to mount an arguement on this ... you can carbon date this back to the second that Miller was ridiculously and embarrassingly given the boot on the eve of a crucial game ... we still won it .. but maybe it was for him .

Whether or not he should have gone is not the arguement ... the way it was handled was appalling and the way Wallace is being handled now is also appaling ...

Ever since the point of "Millergate" we have been on a massive downward spiral that March is clearly incapable of correcting . The reason we were given regarding the timing of Millers sacking was that we needed to get someone more contempory than GM .. OK ... nice ideal but who did we end up with ? ...."END UP" being the operative words ... Frawley MKII the whole scenario .

Whats needed at anytime , but particularily in tough times is strong leadership .... its what our playing ranks have lacked for an eternity and sadly is proving the same at board level .

This heirachy has steadied the ship financially and they are to be commended ... but its time we got some nouse in there who can take care of both aspects of the club because we are really up shit creek without a paddle and i for the life of me cannot think of a reason why anyone would want to take us on coaching wise because quite simply ... who would trust us ? ...

As has been proven with Wallace ... what we say this week may not necessarily be the case in 6 months .

 

[Bojangles17]

Sorry Bo .... but the hiring of Neil Balme was hardly "Geelong for Geelong" was it

Best available person for the job .

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that wasnt the point, it was the board decided 4 years into his tenure that he needed to be surrounded by a new crew Balme, Ken Hinkley, steve Hocking and I've probably missed 1 or two...certainly didnt destablise things....Facts were Balme was our man last year and he re-signed.with the Cats.not sure where the debacle begin and ends after that.

 

[Bojangles17]

The argument I made was that our footy club is much more fragile than Geelong. It has a weaker culture, and has gone for a lot more years without finals and success.
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well that will remain a fairly abritrary line to draw when you consider leading up to 2007 they hadnt saluted in 43 years ....I cant see for the life of me how anyone can suggest that TW and his career were beyond repute and that all efforts to in fact add to his team only served to destabilise...amazing

 

[1980]

well that will remain a fairly abritrary line to draw when you consider leading up to 2007 they hadnt saluted in 43 years ....I cant see for the life of me how anyone can suggest that TW and his career were beyond repute and that all efforts to in fact add to his team only served to destabilise...amazing

The very simple point is that it shouldnt have, probably wouldnt have at a club with stronger foundations, but at our club, it was always going to.

There is no doubt that Wallace at his own doing has been a failure. He's had 5 years and 4 of them he did it his way. Quite simply, he didnt do a Clarkson. He didnt cut enough senior players sooner, and he didnt recruit well. You've already brought up the 2005 draft which was a debacle.

But my argument is that March doesnt get off scot free either. He exacerbated the problem. The old football cliche is that what happens off the park affects those on it. Especially when you have a list full of senior players with fragile mentalities, and even worse, always getting away with failures. These guys have been through all this enough times to know when a coach is on thin ice. And they responded accordingly.

March publically rated us 5/10. That was as much a gaffe as wallace saying our window was 2011. He brought in Free who was unilaterally meeting with Hardwick about Wallace's job and leaking that Wallace's assistants were dead meat. Did you hear Free's interview on radio at the time? What do you think the football dept and players read into that one? This was not the way to prepare for a finals season. Hardly a club pulling together to reward its supporters for 4 years of redevlopment and patience.

No excuses for wallace. We agree. But March's handling of this is also amatuer hour, and he too should go.

 

[Bojangles17]

No excuses for wallace. We agree. But March's handling of this is also amatuer hour, and he too should go.

i dont agree on that, March didnt hire TW and in fact I could go as far as presenting a fairly good case that they are taking a measured approach to the coaching future...remembering they could have easily taken a view to extending the tenure as the curtain drew on 2008..instead a little patience has been exercised and with a far greater scope to now consider, the heirachy are in a commanding position to decide on his future.I take your point that these reviews would not exactly galvanise confidence however we arent robinson crusoe, same thing happening at collingwood and PA...and it sure aint the fault of management undertaking the review that the likes of our forwards in Morton/Brown/Richo have played to 30% of 2008 formline with simmo running his oppoenent into BOG honours in all but 1 of his games...nup that rests with the coach in failing to have a succession plan in place

 

[1980]

i dont agree on that, March didnt hire TW and in fact I could go as far as presenting a fairly good case that they are taking a measured approach to the coaching future...remembering they could have easily taken a view to extending the tenure as the curtain drew on 2008..instead a little patience has been exercised and with a far greater scope to now consider, the heirachy are in a commanding position to decide on his future.I take your point that these reviews would not exactly galvanise confidence however we arent robinson crusoe, same thing happening at collingwood and PA...and it sure aint the fault of management undertaking the review that the likes of our forwards in Morton/Brown/Richo have played to 30% of 2008 formline with simmo running his oppoenent into BOG honours in all but 1 of his games...nup that rests with the coach in failing to have a succession plan in place

I dont know what you do for a living mate, but if your boss comes out publically and says you're only performing half as well as you should be, that he may not renew your contract, publically sacks the guy that hired you into the company, and then hires some unqualified maniac that used to run a fruit shop to run around and spy on everyone, you'd be dusting off your CV pretty quickly. And if you happen to manage people, you'll find pretty quickly that they are unmanageable and unmotivated. Your authority with them is shot mate.

Add to that the boss brings back to your office everyone's favourite mate who should have had your job (ie everyone wanted him to have your job before you got it), and some young bloke who used to work there and the rumor around the place is that he is being groomed to take over from you.

Is this the way to run an office or a footy club? Does this excuse Wallace? Not IMO. But March has been shocking at initiating all this. His management of the club has been downright idiotic. And my simple point to you is this. Given the history of the RFC, the propensity to shoot itself in the foot, was it a good idea for March to kick all this off. Surely you agree that the timing was late? Do you do all this leading into the 5th year of a 5 year plan? WTF didnt he do it 1-2 years earlier?

Geelong may have been handbags, but they were always a very well led club at the top.

 

[Bojangles17]

I dont know what you do for a living mate, but if your boss comes out publically and says you're only performing half as well as you should be, that he may not renew your contract, publically sacks the guy that hired you into the company, and then hires some unqualified maniac that used to run

shit, how well do you know me

 

[IDGAF]

The very simple point is that it shouldnt have, probably wouldnt have at a club with stronger foundations, but at our club, it was always going to.

There is no doubt that Wallace at his own doing has been a failure. He's had 5 years and 4 of them he did it his way. Quite simply, he didnt do a Clarkson. He didnt cut enough senior players sooner, and he didnt recruit well. You've already brought up the 2005 draft which was a debacle.

But my argument is that March doesnt get off scot free either. He exacerbated the problem. The old football cliche is that what happens off the park affects those on it. Especially when you have a list full of senior players with fragile mentalities, and even worse, always getting away with failures. These guys have been through all this enough times to know when a coach is on thin ice. And they responded accordingly.

March publically rated us 5/10. That was as much a gaffe as wallace saying our window was 2011. He brought in Free who was unilaterally meeting with Hardwick about Wallace's job and leaking that Wallace's assistants were dead meat. Did you hear Free's interview on radio at the time? What do you think the football dept and players read into that one? This was not the way to prepare for a finals season. Hardly a club pulling together to reward its supporters for 4 years of redevlopment and patience.

No excuses for wallace. We agree. But March's handling of this is also amatuer hour, and he too should go.

Summed up magnificently

 

[froars]

FFS we had Tony Free doing footy dept reviews.

Compare Balme and Free and then have a think about what you're arguing about.

That review should be a beauty, it's taken so long to do

Some good work tonight, 1980