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The draft according to Gee Dub

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Personal rankings

1. Jacob Hopper

2. Jacob Weitering

3. Clayton Oliver

4. Aaron Francis

5. Josh Schache

6. Darcy Parish

7. Ben Keays

8. Matt Kennedy

9. Callum Mills

10. Ben McKay

11. David Cuningham

12. Wayne Milera

13. Callum Ah Chee

14. Sam Weideman

15. Keiran Collins

16. Eric Hipwood

17. Ryan Clarke

18. Harry McKay

19. Charlie Curnow

20. Daniel Rioli

21. Hisham Kerbatieh

22. Ryan Burton

23. Luke Partington

24. Matt Flynn

25. Aidyn Johnson

26. Corey Wagner

27. Tom Glen

28. Rhys Mathieson

29. Mitch Hibberd

30. Harley Balic

31. Mitch Brown

32. Sam Skinner

33. Tom Doedee

34. Jade Gresham

35. Riley Bonner

36. Bailey Rice

37. James Parsons

38. Darcy Tucker

39. Harrison Himmelberg

40. Tom Phillips

41. Stephen Tahana

42. Alex Morgan

43. Mason Redman

44. Reuben William

45. Will Snelling

46. Thomas Jok

47. Luke Surman

48. Declan Mountford

49. Kade Stewart

50. Brayden Fiorini


1. Carlton- Jacob Weitering

Biggest strength: Excellent in the air

Biggest weakness: Movement

Club:Dandenong Stingrays
Position:Key defender
Height:195 cm
Weight:94 kg

Weitering is going to be a good player. I have no doubts about it. He reads the play exceptionally well and can take a big grab. He is one of the best kicks in the draft, with a long and accurate boot that sets up attacking thrusts or gets his team out of trouble. He does have a slightly concerning weakness in that he is not the best mover, with his agility not fantastic in my opinion and his repeat efforts not in that top category. However with his marking and ability to read the play he is likely to get himself into spots where he can hide these weaknesses and make up for them. I also don’t feel that he can play forward as well as people are saying. He relies too much on his marking for that and doesn’t have the athleticism or knowledge of how to play down that end of the ground to really excel.

2. Brisbane- Josh Schache

Biggest Strength: Marking

Biggest Weakness: Repeat efforts/Second efforts

Club:Murray Bushrangers
Position:Key forward
Height:199 cm
Weight:93 kg

Schache does a lot of things really well and that’s why I like him, although that may hurt him as to me he doesn’t have one trick that sets him apart from the rest. His marking is very good, as he uses his size and takes the ball up high and out in front while shielding the drop of the ball. He is also very good below his knees and actually quite unselfish as I’ve seen numerous times where he will pick up a ground ball and dish it off rather than snapping it over his shoulder. He is a good endurance athlete but I feel he doesn’t use his engine enough yet and could make more leads and really use it to advantage and burn people off. He has some question marks over his speed and agility which I feel are poor and also doesn’t tend to make too many efforts, both offensively and particularly defensively.

3. Sydney- Callum Mills

Biggest strength: Strong overhead

Biggest weakness: One paced

Club:

Position: Midfielder

Height: 188cm

Weight: 80kg

Mills is a really good accumulator of the footy who is adept at winning clearances, due to his ability to read taps well. He also reads the ball well in the air which is how he is such a good overhead mark for a midfielder, one of his big strengths. He runs well from contest to contest, although he is a little one paced and doesn’t have that ability to burst clear. He is an okay kick without being great and I feel he tends to take the safe option a lot. When he does, his kicks are neat and low. However when he does try to pull the trigger on a riskier option is when his kicks sit up more and can be picked off. His ball winning ability is unquestioned though and he remains a top quality distributor of the ball who has shown an ability to do this against men, racking up 20+ touches in a rare post-injury appearance for the Swans reserves earlier this year.

4. Melbourne- Clayton Oliver

Biggest strength: Clearance specialist

Biggest weakness: Lack of pace

Club: Murray Bushrangers

Position: Inside midfielder

Height: 187cm

Weight: 85kg

The hype player of the draft and Morrish Medal winner has had a very productive season when he was out on the park and that has fuelled a massive rise up the rankings of most draft watchers. I actually see a lot of similarities between him and Jacob Hopper, with Hopper probably being a better kick. He is a great extractor of the ball at stoppages and has really quick hands. He gets his hands up to make sure he can always squeeze out a handball. He is very agile and has a good little side step in traffic which helps him get some space and he isn’t afraid of running backwards to find himself some more time. He is also a very capable forward and is good overhead and is a quick thinker around goals, always looking for a way to get the ball onto his foot and into the goals. He is the big midfielder that everyone is looking for and has that scoreboard impact that teams crave. The only real concern I have is his lack of pace but he is one that I’m sure will play at least 100 games and make a good fist of an AFL career.

5. GWS- Jacob Hopper

Biggest Strength: Scoreboard impact

Biggest Weakness: Pace

Club: North Ballarat Rebels

Position: Inside Midfielder

Height: 185cm

Weight: 83kg

Hopper is a goal kicking mid who is tough as nails. He isn’t quick and doesn’t have that burst to get him out of trouble but he is super strong and can break tackles easily. He also attacks the ball really hard and will run through anyone to make a contest or get the ball. While he isn’t fast he does have some little tricks to give himself more time and space, like a nice dummy which he uses frequently. He has a good workrate as evidenced by his goalkicking record and he is a good finisher around goals. His attack on the ball and competitiveness hold him in good stead around the stoppages but his work around the ground and ability to find the footy outside of contested situations concerns me a little. Even if he can’t find much of the ball as a midfielder I feel he will still be a good small to medium forward with his size, strength and goalkicking nous.

6. Essendon- Aaron Francis

Biggest strength: Kicking and reading the flight of the ball in defence

Biggest weakness: Can be too attacking

Club: West Adelaide

Position: Rebounding/Third tall defender – Utility

Height: 191cm

Weight: 92kg

Francis is one of few footballers this year that I have struggled to find a real weakness for. He is a really good kick, with great penetration, distance and weighting over short and long kicks. He reads the play incredibly well and will chop kicks off by sliding in front of leading forwards and taking big marks. He is a courageous footballer who attacks the ball hard and appears to be hard to tackle, even when playing senior SANFL footy. He has runs on the board as a rebounding defender where he will be a safe bet to play a lot of AFL footy, however as a key defender he struggles due to his size and his want to be attacking, as shown when he was matched up against Josh Schache. I also don’t think he can play in the midfield and his ability forward of centre is overrated as he won’t be such a good mark against men as he was against the boys. He has an AFL ready body and could play from Round 1.

7. Essendon- Darcy Parish

Biggest strength: Footskills/Decision Making

Biggest weakness: Marking

Club: Geelong Falcons

Position: Midfielder/Flanker

Height: 180cm

Weight: 74kg

Parish is a guy who does a lot of things really well. He has very good footskills, being able to lace out passes accurately off both sides of his body, under pressure and at full speed. He possesses a good burst of breakaway speed which enables him to bust out of contests and find teammates. He is a good decision maker by hand and foot, and knows his limitations by foot. He also goes forward and kicks goals and is clever in where he positions himself when going inside 50. He doesn’t mark the ball and is poor overhead so he is smart enough to put himself in positions to rove the ball and is a good finisher. He doesn’t have a clear strength but is very good at a number of things and has no real weaknesses other than his marking.

8. Gold Coast- Wayne Milera

Biggest strength: Composure

Biggest weakness: Pressure acts

Club: Central Districts

Position: High half forward with midfield potential

Height: 183cm

Weight: 77kg

I really like guys who can play senior footy at a young age and make a big impact. Milera did just that by playing 11 senior games for Central Districts and kicking 11 goals. He has a great side step and has some good agility and evasiveness in the contest. He isn’t quick but this helps him get free. You won’t see him break away from a pack or burst down the wing very often but are more likely to see him pick up a ground ball and dance around a player before being composed enough to lace out a pass or snap a goal. His finishing around goals is good and he kicked 1 goal a game at senior level for Centrals. In terms of negatives, his marking isn’t great, doesn’t have an opposite foot and his tackling pressure appears to be quite poor at this stage. He also appears to be a hard worker and while he isn’t big, he may be able to put on more weight after putting on 6kg this year. I think he will be a good small forward but don’t think he becomes much more than an impact player in the midfield, although there is definitely a role for him at AFL level.

9. GWS- Matt Kennedy

Biggest strength: Overhead marking

Biggest weakness: Kicking

Club: Collingullie

Position: Midfield

Height: 187cm

Weight: 88kg

Kennedy is the big bodied, tall mid that clubs all want. He is a great mark overhead for his size and it is his biggest strength. That gives him the ability to go forward and make an impact which will be valuable with the interchange cap and lack of a sub. He can win his own ball and makes good decisions with ball in hand, particularly by hand where he is quick from picking it up to dishing it off. His kicking is neither here nor there, and can tend to float through the air rather than travelling directly to teammates. His opposite foot is pretty good though. He also seems to lack a bit of pace which may or may not hurt him, although if he can get himself to enough contests I don’t think it will matter at his size.

10. Melbourne- Sam Weideman

Biggest strength: Marking

Biggest weakness: Speed

Club: Eastern Ranges

Position: Key forward

Height: 196cm

Weight: 94kg

Weideman hasn’t played much this year which makes it tough to gauge his performances and ability compared to the others. However it is clear that he is a big, strong, talented key forward who can take a good mark. He struggles to create separation from defenders due to a lack of pace but he does take a lot of marks because he takes them right out in front and doesn’t give the defenders a chance to punch past his long outstretched arms. He is able to kick goals off both sides of the body and is quick from hand to foot. He isn’t afraid to pass the ball if a teammate is in a better option and he will kick for goal on his left if need be, rather than turning back onto his right and getting into trouble. I have concerns that he is too slow to play as a dominant key forward but his marking could make up for that and make him a good second option.

11. Carlton- Callum Ah Chee

Biggest strength: Overhead marking

Biggest weakness: Inconsistent kick

Club: South Fremantle

Position: Small forward

Height: 182cm

Weight: 71kg

Ah Chee is a small forward with an excellent leap and the ability to pull off highlight reel plays. He can take a big mark and has shown a love for trying to take hangers, while he is also very good above his head because of his leaping ability. He is also good at ground level and isn’t afraid of the hustle and bustle around stoppages, so he isn’t always a sheep dog around packs. He has good pace and agility and is a good finisher around goals. However his kicking is inconsistent. His kicks range from bullet passes that don’t require the target to break stride, to horrible shanks. He won’t kick a lot of goals but he will create opportunities. His pressure is reasonable and he averaged 2 tackles per game in his 6 senior appearances for South Fremantle. I think he can play and will do well at the next level as a small forward, although I don’t think he can go into the midfield.

12. Brisbane- Eric Hipwood

Biggest strength: Marking

Biggest weakness: Kicking

Club: Caloundra

Position: Tall forward/defender- swingman

Height: 202 cm

Weight: 83kg

I really don’t know where Hipwood’s best position is. Up forward he can use his big frame to crash packs and take big marks, while also using his freakish athleticism to burn off his opponent and kick goals when the ball hits the ground. Down back, he reads the flight of the ball so well and always puts himself in the right spot to intercept the ball. I think his big deficiency, kicking, is what will hold him back from being a gun defender as clubs are looking for two way players who can impact both offensively and defensively and his lack of ability to hit targets by foot could hurt him here, despite his willingness to take the game on. Up forward though, his hands and athleticism could allow him to be a very good forward, especially once he adds some bulk to his 202 cm frame.

13. Adelaide- Harry McKay

Biggest Strength: Movement

Biggest weakness: Physical presence

Club: Gippsland Power

Position: Tall mobile forward

Height: 200cm

Weight: 94kg

McKay plays as a mobile marking forward, with really good athleticism for someone of his size. He moves really well and has good agility for a big man as well as good disposal on his left foot, especially for a big man. This makes him an effective lead up man up the ground where he can run his defender ragged and then turn him towards goals and hit up forwards. His marking is good on the lead and he doesn’t get outmarked much there as he gets front spot and takes them out in front with his big reach. However he doesn’t like contact much if there is someone sitting in front of him and won’t crash packs or take big contested marks very often. I am also concerned by his set shot technique which I think is too long and he leans back as he kicks the ball which causes him to poke at it and miss from time to time. I think he has attributes that make him a good project although I wouldn’t bet on him with an early pick. I also think he could be a handy swingman and could plug holes down back with his closing speed and height and reach.

14. Carlton- Charlie Curnow

Biggest Strength: Marking

Biggest Weakness: Speed/Ability to create separation against people his own size

Club: Geelong Falcons

Position: Marking forward with potential midfield ability

Height: 191cm

Weight: 95kg

I haven’t seen much of Curnow so this will be brief, but from what I have seen I can see that he is a very powerful kid who is strong overhead and one on one. He uses his strength well and gets front spot and holds it. His marking is definitely his biggest strength at junior level and it will need to hold up well because it is unlikely that he can manhandle opponents like he does at TAC Cup level and he doesn’t have the speed or ability to create separation from his defender that top forwards need. I don’t think he should be played in the midfield as I don’t think he has enough to his game other than strength, physicality and marking. I think he will struggle to get free in the middle although he may have quick decision making skills or positioning that I have not seen as of yet.

15. Richmond- Daniel Rioli

Rioli is someone who has a bit of toe as well as being a poised and skilful player. He can go through the middle but is predominantly a forward with huge potential, as a raw type who hasn’t really been in an elite program for too long. His running is his strength with his speed and endurance being key parts to his game while he also has an eye for the goals and is creative around the big sticks.

16. Adelaide- Ryan Burton

After a horrific leg injury, it is hard to tell how Burton will go in the future. On exposed form from last year, he has shown that he can run well and take marks up the ground while also having good smarts and leading patterns up forward. Whoever picks him is hoping that he can recover fully and turn into the star he projected to be last year. I am not so sure he will though.

17. St Kilda- Ryan Clarke

Clarke has a great motor and wills himself from contest to contest. He can kick goals and works hard all over the ground as a real two way player which is rare in under 18 footy. He projects as a run and carry player although he can play inside as well. I think with his smarts and workrate he will succeed.

18. Hawthorn- Kieran Collins

A really strongly built defender with good skills coming out of defence. Seems to love contesting and has some real physicality to his game. Never takes a backwards step and is composed with ball in hand so is a pretty good prospect. Lack of speed is a worry though.

19. Brisbane- Ben Keays

Keays has good skills with the ball, especially by foot, while he is composed and a good decision maker. He works hard and runs all day while he also can win his own ball. I have questions over his hurt factor and speed but he is solid enough.

20. Gold Coast- Ben McKay

McKay is more of a typical big man than his brother. He is great in the air and takes some great marks. He has a bit of physicality that few others seem to have this year and is more than willing to take out bodies and crash packs while he has good hands. Kicking is ok and defensive work seems to be reasonable too.

21. GWS- Harry Himmelberg

A bit of a different player. Plays as a roaming forward although he has grown a bit now to 194cm. He likes to run around and almost play as a small and is very creative around goals, although you are never quite sure what he is going to do next.

22. North Melbourne-David Cuningham

One of my favourites in the draft, Cuningham has great pace AND wins his own ball. He can get the ball and accelerate clear of the contest. Kicking is okay without being great though and he doesn’t win a heap of the ball but when he does get it he tends to break games open. If he can find more of the footy he will be a star.

23. Hawthorn-Rhys Mathieson

Mathieson is tough as nails and will put his head over the ball time after time. His skills are average without being horrible, getting the job done as an inside mid but his strength is getting the ball in contested situations and getting it away effectively. He is an unathletic type with minimal speed and a lack of endurance but his one trick is very good.

24. Carlton- Harley Balic

Balic has really good spatial awareness and as a result he is an efficient user of the ball. He has ok speed but his strength is his slipperiness in traffic then the ability to hit up a target. My concerns are with his kicking which is hit and miss while I feel that most of his targets hit up tend to be short or sideways. IF he can tidy up his kicking then he will be pretty good.

25. Western Bulldogs- Sam Skinner

Was one of my favourites before injury, and that’s because he is another who plays with real aggression. He is versatile and always looking for a contest while he is a good size to play anywhere on the ground. Seems to be a really good character too and has by all reports really got stuck into his knee rehab.

26. Western Bulldogs-Jade Gresham

A small midfielder who accumulates the footy. Where have I heard that before? To me, Gresham isn’t too dissimilar to other small types who have gone around this mark in recent years such as Lewis Taylor or Nathan Hrovat. An accumulator who won’t break a game apart but is a good role player on a team with reasonable skills but a really good motor. The step up is massive from under 18s to AFL for these little guys and it shows as their production slips. Still a likely type though and more likely to make it than some others.

27. Fremantle- Riley Bonner

A Matt Suckling type who provides run and carry off half back as well as having a super left boot. He can kick long and low and is a real weapon when he gets it right. Not a great defender though so he is one who will fit in better to a good side where he has to defend less. Also doesn’t have a whole lot of midfield potential.

28. West Coast- Darcy Tucker

A run and carry type with good skills. Can accumulate well off half back and showed flashes of the same through the midfield when trialled there late in the season. His skills are solid without being great but I feel he lacks hurt factor. Is still a line breaker but not one with elite pace or skills that make you worry.

29. Essendon- Aidyn Johnson

A super quick wingman/forward who has electric pace and is just an exciting type that can make something out of nothing. Hardly played this year due to injury but was impressive in his junior career and if he can find that form, with his attributes he will be a handy pick up. Best suited across half forward where he can turn his man around towards goals and use his pace and smarts to beat him back.

30. Essendon- Mason Redman

Probably more half forward than midfielder, Redman impressed across both of those roles this year. His biggest strength is his leap and marking which are elite for midfielders. He likes to take the game on and run and carry while he isn’t purely outside. Is a good size for a midfielder if he can continue to develop his game and transition himself into a full time mid.

31. North Melbourne- Alex Morgan

Morgan has pace and class and has the versatility to play multiple positions. He seems like a flanker who moves into the midfield when needed but he has the ability to impact games wherever he plays. Has great skills by foot which is real weapon.

32. Collingwood- Brayden Fiorini

Fiorini is a high level accumulator with really good skills by foot. Unfortunately he seems to take the safe option more often than not which is a shame because he seems to be a pretty good kick. He can definitely find the ball though and has added the consistency to his game which he lacked last year.

33. North Melbourne- Dan Houston

I like what Houston brings as a mobile third tall forward. He can mark the ball, moves well for his size and gets into the right spots inside 50 time after time. His kicking for goal can make you worry but that can be fixed. I think he has a real football brain and has the ability to be a really good third option,

34. Gold Coast- Mitch Hibberd

He seems to be rising up the boards rapidly but I see him as a slightly worse version of Bonner skillswise, while being a slightly better defender. He misses targets he should hit but has great vision and decision making which is a bit of a catch twenty-two. He is reasonable in the air and should be able to break even defensively though and provide some run and carry from half back. GC would be pleased if he is still here at this pick.

35. Western Bulldogs- Josh Dunkley

I’m disappointed in his production this year but I still feel he will be a good player. I don’t think the Swans are sold on him but he is a big body who can win his own ball and is a tackling beast. Can go forward as well and performed solidly in the VFL so has some runs on the board against the men. I doubt the Swans match unless someone bids with a third round pick or later.

36. West Coast- Thomas Glen

Nobody is talking about this kid but I really like him. He provides run and carry from half back and is a good user by both hand and especially by foot. Reads the play really well and knows when to come off his man and when to stay back. He is really light but I think if he bulks up a bit he will be a really good rebounding defender or even a wingman where he can use his run and carry and break teams open.

37. Port Adelaide- Luke Partington

While he doesn’t have one standout attribute, Partington is good at everything. He plays inside and outside, wins his own ball and then delivers it well. He can break lines, although isn’t exceptionally quick, while he has a good workrate and can get to a lot of contests. Has played well at SANFL senior level which I like to see and I feel 37 is too low for him. I think what holds him back is that he doesn’t project to be a star, instead more likely to become a really good piece in a midfield.

38. Fremantle- Tom Doedee

A basketball convert who I noticed as a really solid defender capable of playing on talls and smalls. Probably wasn’t brave enough to talk him up until the media did but I’m glad they did start because now I can come out and be proud of my love for this kid. Reckon he is tough as nails and really athletic. Is only going to get better and better.

39. Brisbane- Corey Wagner

Earlier this year I rated him above Keays. While I now rate Keays higher, it shows that Wagner has game. Has moved from being an outside wingman into someone who is capable of crashing in and winning his own ball on the inside so can play both roles. Has good skills and is a good decision maker, while also willing to take risks with the ball.

40. St Kilda-Mitch Brown

41. Melbourne- Kieran Lovell

42. St Kilda- Bailey Rice

43. North Melb- James Parsons

44. Hawthorn- Stephen Tahana

45. Brisbane- Reuben William

46. Port Adelaide- Brayden Hackett

47. Melbourne- Tom Cole

48. Western Bulldogs- Marcus Adams

49. GWS- Matt Flynn

50. Richmond- Declan Mountford

51. Sydney- Sam Murray

Has come from the clouds to be a chance to get picked up after being knocked back from the Bushies twice. Probably more a rookie chance but wanted to get the chance to talk about him since he is from my area (I actually played against him). Played in a senior flag at 17 as one of his teams best mids then stepped up a grade to a higher league and it took his footy to the next level. He marks the ball well for a mid while he takes the game on and kicks well. His right foot is a bit sloppy at times and he needs to build up a tank but would be a good high risk high reward pick.

52. Gold Coast- Brandon White

53. Essendon- Tom Phillips

54. Carlton- Will Snelling

55. Carlton- Jack Silvagni

56. Fremantle- Jesse Glass-McCasker

57. Sydney- Callum Moore

58. West Coast- Thomas Jok

The definition of project, Jok is an athletic beast and is impressive to look at. He is quick, extremely fit and improving rapidly while also being a good size at 191cm. He is new to the game but seems to get better with every game.

59. GWS- Blake Hardwick

60. Collingwood- Liam Jeffs

Is an Academy boy who missed most of the season with injury but is a rangy wingman/half forward type who is tall and can run all day. Is a good ball user and wins his own ball well inside. As he fills out he will get better and better on the inside and eventually he will be able to hold his own in the middle as a clearance player with a big body at 192cm.

61. Geelong- Hisham Kerbatieh

62. Sydney Pass

63. GWS pass

64. North- Nick O’Kearney

65. Freo- Josh Schoenfeld

66. West Coast- Kade Stewart

Another forgotten Academy boy but is one who I have kept an eye on after impressing me during the champs. Wins his own ball and distributes it well, while being a good decision maker. Played a bit of senior footy in the WAFL and did well there too. If he was playing for Vic Country and was injured he would be a top 30 pick.

67. Hawthorn pass

68. Collingwood Tyrone Leonardis

69. Gold Coast Yestin Eades

70. Essendon Gach Nyuon

71. Collingwood pass

72. Port pass

73. Richmond Davin Ferreira

74. North pass

75. West Coast pass

76. Geelong Ryan Gardner

77. Richmond Nash Holmes

78. Freo pass

79. Essendon pass

80. Geelong Oleg Markov
 
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Ouch on Ah Chee, I am sure that you have your reasons for his rating though

I like how you've broke down the players to, nice work
 

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Ouch on Ah Chee, I am sure that you have your reasons for his rating though

I like how you've broke down the players to, nice work

I just don't see it with him. Seems to want to spear every kick in and turns it over a lot for a supposed great kick. Struggles to find the footy and looks like he isn't going 100 percent a lot of the time. If he wasn't an Academy kid I doubt he would be talked about much at all.

However if he could put it all together he could be quite good. I think he's best up forward because of his speed and can be quite damaging and silky when he's switched on. Maybe it will just take him a while to click but I really don't know.
 
Squad lists handed out on game day say 180/77

Not sure which one is wrong but thought I'd jump In cause it's an issue I've noticed too,

Love your work btw gee dub, it's Luke Surman though!
Noticed that too Skip; reckon it's very unlikely that they're 6cm and 7kgs out one way or the other...
 
Squad lists handed out on game day say 180/77

Not sure which one is wrong but thought I'd jump In cause it's an issue I've noticed too,

Love your work btw gee dub, it's Luke Surman though!
Yeah, I had Clarke at 180/77 on my power rankings, got it from the Vic Metro page on the AFL website. I assumed it was correct?!
 
Theres a kids whoms last name is Bonner...That'll be interesting for commentators.

Interesting that you rate Wagner higher than Keays Gee Dub

I really like Wagner and I don't really like Keays. I feel that Keays is a good runner and accumulator but has zero hurt factor. Disposals are loopy and he seems to put his teammates in trouble a lot with his touches, especially his handballs. Seems pretty good at the old up and under handball to a teammate so they get crunched and have to give it back for the cheap one-two. In saying that he does read the taps really well and spreads really hard.

Wagner has a bit of a competitive streak, puts his body on the line when needed and seems to have a real presence around the context. He is a good, long kick and has good penetration; much better than Keays in this area. Kicks are usually to advantage and he has a bit of breakaway speed. I really think he is going to make it where as with Keays I am not so sure.
 

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I really like Wagner and I don't really like Keays. I feel that Keays is a good runner and accumulator but has zero hurt factor. Disposals are loopy and he seems to put his teammates in trouble a lot with his touches, especially his handballs. Seems pretty good at the old up and under handball to a teammate so they get crunched and have to give it back for the cheap one-two. In saying that he does read the taps really well and spreads really hard.

Wagner has a bit of a competitive streak, puts his body on the line when needed and seems to have a real presence around the context. He is a good, long kick and has good penetration; much better than Keays in this area. Kicks are usually to advantage and he has a bit of breakaway speed. I really think he is going to make it where as with Keays I am not so sure.

So are you of the opinion that Keays' 2014 championships were a fluke? Honest question, it was only three games.
 
Also, some people have Balic in their top 10, hell even some have had him as high as 5. How come you rate him so low? I don't know much about him, just going by other peoples ratings.
 
So are you of the opinion that Keays' 2014 championships were a fluke? Honest question, it was only three games.

I think statistically he had a very good Champs. But now that he's been put under the microscope a little and had his game scrutinised a bit more, I reckon he's got some flaws that will stand out. I think his disposal isn't great and his defensive pressure isn't overly flash either. What he is though is a really good accumulator of the footy. Whether that's what you want at the next level is up to you though.

Also, some people have Balic in their top 10, hell even some have had him as high as 5. How come you rate him so low? I don't know much about him, just going by other peoples ratings.

I think he is a good disposer of the ball but a bit on the slow side and doesn't have the "it factor" or ability to take a game and leave his mark on it. Even when he has had a good game I haven't really noticed him have an influence on the game. Relies on others to give him the ball and they mostly do which gives him higher numbers, so he is very different to someone like Keays who accumulates based on his spread and workrate.
 
So are you of the opinion that Keays' 2014 championships were a fluke? Honest question, it was only three games.

I really like Wagner and I don't really like Keays. I feel that Keays is a good runner and accumulator but has zero hurt factor. Disposals are loopy and he seems to put his teammates in trouble a lot with his touches, especially his handballs. Seems pretty good at the old up and under handball to a teammate so they get crunched and have to give it back for the cheap one-two. In saying that he does read the taps really well and spreads really hard.

Wagner has a bit of a competitive streak, puts his body on the line when needed and seems to have a real presence around the context. He is a good, long kick and has good penetration; much better than Keays in this area. Kicks are usually to advantage and he has a bit of breakaway speed. I really think he is going to make it where as with Keays I am not so sure.


have to agree with blackgun. While his statistics in last years champs were good, I just couldn't get over those ridiculous banana goals in game 1, the one hand pluck and finish from 50 out in game 3 (footage of this on YouTube somewhere) outshined the likes of lachie Weller and arguabley Heeney in that last game. On his kicking and handballing, same criticism Fyfe had I believe. just has that raw natural talent in my eyes
 
Power Rankings


7. Callum Mills (Midfielder, NSW/ACT)

8. Jacob Hopper (Inside Mid, NSW/ACT)

11. Matt Kennedy (Inside Midfielder, NSW/ACT)

17. Josh Dunkley (Inside Mid, VC)

25. Ben Keays (Midfielder, QLD)
WTF is this? Don't you read Big Footy and listen to Eddie!? Mills is the number one! Dunkley 17!!!! Keays 25!!!???

It's like you're being realistic and not overrating players who last played in a Division 2 comp 12 months ago. I don't come to BF for sane, rational, objective ratings, i come for the hyperbole!

Good job ;)
 
have to agree with blackgun. While his statistics in last years champs were good, I just couldn't get over those ridiculous banana goals in game 1, the one hand pluck and finish from 50 out in game 3 (footage of this on YouTube somewhere) outshined the likes of lachie Weller and arguabley Heeney in that last game. On his kicking and handballing, same criticism Fyfe had I believe. just has that raw natural talent in my eyes

Yeah those such intangibles can be ironed out in time. Probably a bit unfair to say he constantly puts his teammates under the pump - one-two handballs are a staple of most modern day game plans and get the ball moving. Its correct to say his kicking is not quite up there with what people originally thought and as such, a lower ranking is not unbelievable by any stretch, but to say Wagner is better probably is a stretch. Especially when you look at Keays' numbers game in and game out, they are consistent, Wagners aren't. (Not to say I dont rate Wagner because I think hes a beauty, just not that high)
 

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Yeah those such intangibles can be ironed out in time. Probably a bit unfair to say he constantly puts his teammates under the pump - one-two handballs are a staple of most modern day game plans and get the ball moving. Its correct to say his kicking is not quite up there with what people originally thought and as such, a lower ranking is not unbelievable by any stretch, but to say Wagner is better probably is a stretch. Especially when you look at Keays' numbers game in and game out, they are consistent, Wagners aren't. (Not to say I dont rate Wagner because I think hes a beauty, just not that high)

Are you looking at pure numbers or watching games. I think Wagner can have more of an impact than Keays with less touches.

Also didn't meant to make it sound like all he does is put his teamates under the pump. But it definitely something that stands out to me when watching him. For someone that is purely outside and gets a lot of cheap ball, he really doesn't use it overly well. Not a butcher but not a great outside ball user.
 
Are you looking at pure numbers or watching games. I think Wagner can have more of an impact than Keays with less touches.

Also didn't meant to make it sound like all he does is put his teamates under the pump. But it definitely something that stands out to me when watching him. For someone that is purely outside and gets a lot of cheap ball, he really doesn't use it overly well. Not a butcher but not a great outside ball user.

I watch most games, live too.

At this stage I do agree that Wagner visibly impacts more but that's the sort of player Wagner is, as you said he is an X factor type, but I dosagree completely that Keays is an outside player, I would say at this stage he is very much an inside mid and that's a lot of the reason you don't see a lot of him standing on the sidelines. I will bring stats up right now in saying that an outside player does not gather 43 disposals and 12 clearances.
 
Power rankings are updated and some more profiles have been added.

Profiles include Ah Chee, Balic, Snadden, Thompson, Stewart, Parsons and Clark.

Risers include Schache, Hopper, Balic, Mathieson, Stewart, Parsons, Ah Chee, Hipwood, Crocker, Houston, Phillips, Fiorini, Kerbatieh, Leonardis, McKay, Minogue, Flynn and Tahana

Sliders include: Francis, Parish, Kennedy, O'Kearney, Skinner, Clark, Wagner, Perry, Schoenfeld, Brind.

Phantom Draft to follow. Hopefully tonight but maybe tomorrow.
 
Power rankings are updated and some more profiles have been added.

Profiles include Ah Chee, Balic, Snadden, Thompson, Stewart, Parsons and Clark.

Risers include Schache, Hopper, Balic, Mathieson, Stewart, Parsons, Ah Chee, Hipwood, Crocker, Houston, Phillips, Fiorini, Kerbatieh, Leonardis, McKay, Minogue, Flynn and Tahana

Sliders include: Francis, Parish, Kennedy, O'Kearney, Skinner, Clark, Wagner, Perry, Schoenfeld, Brind.

Phantom Draft to follow. Hopefully tonight but maybe tomorrow.
 
I think you have Parsons way too high, he is very exciting to watch but way too inconsistent for me. No Weideman on you rankings or Draft?
 

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