The end could come very quickly for Judd

[Hodgepodge]

Was listening to ABC Radio earlier this week, and almost fell out of my chair when Ratten said he expected Judd to play until the age of 35.

At the moment, I don't see it happening.

For the following reasons . . .

What do the longest lasting players in the history of the game have in common?

Fletcher, Dustin - Became unable to play man on man against the better defenders, re-invented himself as a 'loose defender'. He is able to do this because of his skill by foot and ability to read the play.

Tuck, Michael - Rangy type with good skills and run. Flanker, and outside player, which helps in your latter years. Outside players require skill.

Matthews, Leigh - Became unable to bash it out in the centre square and retired to the forward line at age 32. Had the skills and nous to kick plenty of goals until the age of 35.

Bradley, Craig - Outside player, good skills

Harvey, Rob - Same, but better.

As players age they lose much of their ability to contest with their younger opponents and have to re-invent themselves in some other form. Fletcher as a loose man, Tuck as a running half-back and Matthews as a forward. Harvey and Bradley also played larger roles as outside midfielders as they aged. It was this change that allowed them to prolong their careers.

The problem with Judd becoming one of these players is that he lacks the foot skills or versatility to re-invent himself at this time.

If he's to continue until 35, it won't be in the same role that he plays now.

Given his failing foot skills and lack of nous in the forward line, he may be forced to retire once he can no longer play his current role.

 

[Wokko]

Sometimes being able to play a less damaging (physically) role doesn't help if injuries or niggles are bad enough.

Buckley was mooted for ages as being able to play for another 5 years up forward but his hammys just wouldn't have been able to handle it. Judd's 80 year old man shoulders wont stand up to playing up forward trying to take jumping marks over his head.

 

[Defacto]

well he will need others in the midfield to take the attention away from him. if youre a marked man, week in, week out, it will take it out of you.

looks at the above list and the ageing players were surrounded by class that took the attention away from them.

 

[Impunity!]

I thought this thread was about Beau Waters having been named to tag Judd this weekend.

 

[BACCS]

well he will need others in the midfield to take the attention away from him. if youre a marked man, week in, week out, it will take it out of you.

looks at the above list and the ageing players were surrounded by class that took the attention away from them.

Murphy and Gibbs aren't potential stars?

 

[Hodgepodge]

I guess the most durable players are those who are able to play an outside role later in their careers. It doesn't always do it, as in Buckley's case with his hamstring problems, but the highest games players all retired to an 'outside' role later in their careers.

 

[melbournemartin]

Unlike some other midfielders who could play out the end of their career in the forward line, Judd has never been a good overhead mark and I can't recall him ever working well as a leading forward.

I reckon you'll get him to 31-32 max.

 

[FOOOOTY]

Rob Harvey rememberd as an outside player? what a shame

 

[melbournemartin]

Murphy and Gibbs aren't potential stars?

Gibbs yes, Murphy won't be a star though in my opinion.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Rob Harvey rememberd as an outside player? what a shame

Harvey was able to play as an outside player for the last 3 years due to his running ability and kicking skills. Was always able to tee it up for a leading forward.

Judd lacks the kicking skills to play this role.

 

[Cap]

Gibbs yes, Murphy won't be a star though in my opinion.

I had it the other way round

Mark Roo from the Crows is a prime example, fitness and skills wise could have gone for a number of years but the the body just couldn't handle it. Only took 12 months for the fall to be complete, that is from no issues to retirement.

 

[i_need_a_pencil]

It'll depend on what Twiggy tells him to do

 

[esc0bar]

snifff sniff i smell raten trying to justify the club taking and paying someone like judd when by the time they open any sort of premiership window he is retired. MAssive LULZ

Carltank should have stuck to recruiting number one and twos for another year or two.

 

[Soul_Pie]

It's not a particularly bright thing to say by Ratten, I mean who can tell what will happen to his body, whether it will cope or not. It's very hard to predict these things.

Only a small percentage of players make it to that age, and a lot of the time they aren't really playing all that well or spend a lot of the season resting or recovering from injury. Blokes like Fletcher are a rarity. Once you reach about 30 or so it's a bit like a lottery with footballer's bodies, even minor injuries can lead on to more serious troubles, a lot of bloke's bodies just give way without any prior warning.

 

[Gaz_Brownlow]

Hodgepodge;

Surely Cyril Rioli will be able to sustain his Judd and Ablett combined skills until he is at least 40+??? Seriously, Judd has a couple of turnovers in a game and misses a couple of shots and all of a sudden he is non-versatile??? Seriously man, a you just a protaganist or just plain stupid....Judd has turned Carlton around the corner almost single handedly and his leadership alone is enough to ensure a lengthy and succesfull career.

Stop talking down champion players like Judd (Ablett, Bartel, Brown and any other non Hawthorn player you care to poke a stick at), put down the brown and gold glasses and quit posting this garbage.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Hodgepodge;

Surely Cyril Rioli will be able to sustain his Judd and Ablett combined skills until he is at least 40+???

Stop talking down champion players like Judd (Ablett, Bartel, Brown and any other non Hawthorn player), put down the brown and gold and quit posting this garbage.

I don't understand your ad hominem approach here.

These thoughts were spurred by Ratten's comments and have been explained in the OP. All the most durable players in history have had another string to their bow. With Judd's declining skills, I don't know that he will be able to move to an outside role when he hits 30-31.

 

[TheKITC]

It seems you would do anything to detract from Judd in your bid to try and somehow persuade the BF community that your beloved Hodge is a better player; whether it is subtly like in this thread or simply claiming him to be the best from the 01' draft or in the league etc etc.

The only problem is no-one is buying it.

Judd FWIW has already showed us once that he can re-invent himself. At Wet Toast he was the devastating, outside runner who was fed by Kerr and Cousins to a degree. At Carlton he has to be the cheif in and under, ball winner albeit under the duress of injury.

Credit where credit is due, but I wouldn't expect that from you.

Shocking thread/troll from a poor poster

 

[Malkin]

Not this idiot Hodgepodge again. Stop posting silly threads sir.

 

[Gaz_Brownlow]

Mate, you start a thread every single day about how 'Luke Hodge is the best player in the comp' or that Cyril Rioli is an automatic AA or some other Hawthorn tripe....fair enough, they play for your team. However when you poke at other champion players like Judd and dismiss his contributions over a long time, because of one bad game against your club, then you seriously have to have a good hard look at your logic.

Judd has excellent skills, he has infact brought his game to an even greater level this year after about 3 years of good but not great football. He is starting to look like the player who regularly smashed it up in 2003-07. I would hardly call them 'declining skills'. He is clearly currently in the top 5 players if not higher and is certinaly not on the wane, infact, he i getting better and becoming a smarter footballer.

Why don't you just tell us why Cyril is already better then Judd and has another 60% improvement left in him!

 

[Byron_Clanger]

That would be a sight to see

 

[Hodgepodge]

Judd FWIW has already showed us once that he can re-invent himself. At Wet Toast he was the devastating, outside runner who was fed by Kerr and Cousins to a degree.

Judd was just as inside at West Coast. It's just that he was able to extract himself from traffic more.

His skills were a lot better then, by foot. It's why I have made this thread, questioning his ability to play as an outside player when he hits 30-31, etc.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Judd has excellent skills, he has infact brought his game to an even greater level this year after about 3 years of good but not great football.

My point is more on his foot skills. If they're not addressed he will have problems adjusting to an outside game, which will be required if he's going to extend his career much beyond 30.

 

[blueboy25]

Suprise Suprise another thread bagging Judd by Hodgepodge.

 

[NTRabbit]

Andrew McLeod another good example, speedy outside player with sublime skills, shifted out to the half back and half forward flank.

 

[Croat tiger]

Was listening to ABC Radio earlier this week, and almost fell out of my chair when Ratten said he expected Judd to play until the age of 35.

At the moment, I don't see it happening.

For the following reasons . . .

What do the longest lasting players in the history of the game have in common?

Fletcher, Dustin - Became unable to play man on man against the better defenders, re-invented himself as a 'loose defender'. He is able to do this because of his skill by foot and ability to read the play.

Tuck, Michael - Rangy type with good skills and run. Flanker, and outside player, which helps in your latter years. Outside players require skill.

Matthews, Leigh - Became unable to bash it out in the centre square and retired to the forward line at age 32. Had the skills and nous to kick plenty of goals until the age of 35.

Bradley, Craig - Outside player, good skills

Harvey, Rob - Same, but better.

As players age they lose much of their ability to contest with their younger opponents and have to re-invent themselves in some other form. Fletcher as a loose man, Tuck as a running half-back and Matthews as a forward. Harvey and Bradley also played larger roles as outside midfielders as they aged. It was this change that allowed them to prolong their careers.

The problem with Judd becoming one of these players is that he lacks the foot skills or versatility to re-invent himself at this time.

If he's to continue until 35, it won't be in the same role that he plays now.

Given his failing foot skills and lack of nous in the forward line, he may be forced to retire once he can no longer play his current role.

I don't know about that statement he'd have to be one of the best in comp
with foot skills.