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The "Green Book" Thread

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This thread is about achieving a green book on any market; ie. backing an outcome at long odds and then laying it at shorter odds, or vice versa. Obviously this is most straight-forward on Betfair, where you don't need to have the money to lay off the bet, but can equally be done using multiple sites or by backing all the alternative outcomes in a market.

Post any bets/lays you like the look of (preferably after you've made them, it might even help the market move in the desired direction) and we can keep track of their progress and talk about when to hedge your bet to achieve the "green book".

I'm very new to the discipline of "trading", and my most recent experiment is a bet on Fernando Verdasco to win the US Open @ $150. Frankly, I think he's next to no chance of winning, but that's what separates this thread from others on this board; the final result is irrelevant because we're trying to create a win-in-any-outcome scenario.

Since winning his first 3 rounds, he's shortened to $75 or thereabouts, allowing me to double my money (or close to) if I lay off the bet now. In actual fact I'm going to see out his 4th round match too, given he's playing #51-ranked John Isner who has never played Verdasco before, and might find the left-hander a bit tricky. At that point, assuming Verdasco wins, I'm not going to risk him against Djokovic, I'll lay Verdasco at around $40-$50 and ensure whoever wins I make a good profit. :)

In general though, I'm leaning away from "elimination" events for these kinds of bets. Something like backing a team to make finals, or a player to win the Brownlow/Rising Star, might give less risk and more opportunities to hedge as opposed to losing the bet outright in the blink of an eye. ;)
 
Great idea for a thread TRS

Did it with the San Diego Chargers this year, the other 3 teams in their division are train wrecks and all have quarterback issues which makes them a lock for the playoffs IMO. Backed them to win Superbowl @ $13.0 and hoping to lay entire bet off mid season as I don't think they can beat the Patriots. Also had a decent bet on them to win the division @ 1.44 and into 1.30 now so might even look at trading that as well mid season

They are probably going to start a prohibited fav in 6 of first 7 matches where they play

Oakland - away
Baltimore - home
Miami - home
Pittsburgh - away
Denver - home
Kansas City - away
Oakland - home

Obviously the Steelers will be tough and Ravens no walkover but be very surprised if they lost any divisional games so hoping they can be 5-2 at worst and if they manage to sneak a 6-1 start then would be into around $7 to win Superbowl and I could almost double my money

Even though their draw gets tougher after that, they still have home games against Philli, Kansas City, Cinci and Washington to end the season so won't be the end of the world if they blow one or two games early

Start the season as a 9 pt fav v Raiders this week so its ultra important they win that obviously. Didn't help matters though with their best defensive player being arrested this week.

Got a bit lucky in that their major divisional rivals in Denver had a shocking pre-season which shortened the odds before it even started but heres hoping they can kick it off this week
 
Seymour has joined the Raiders too, which probably doesn't help matters for the Chargers... but then again the Raiders have been a trainwreck for years and it's nearly impossible to see them getting it together.

I think you've made a pretty good bet there, here's hoping it pans out. :)

I'm going to have a fantasy NFL team again this year, which will help me keep on top of all the trends. Fantastic sport, NFL, I love it.
 
is there any way you can lay off first if you think there is unders?

im not 100% on how this works but could you say lay tiger for 1.95 at the start of a tournament, and then if the odds get more favourable back him to win it to guarantee a profit?
 

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is there any way you can lay off first if you think there is unders?

im not 100% on how this works but could you say lay tiger for 1.95 at the start of a tournament, and then if the odds get more favourable back him to win it to guarantee a profit?
Yes thats right

lets say tiger has a shocking 1st day of a tournament. Pre tournament he starts at say 1.95. And after the 1st day you can 'Back' him to lock in a profit. (but getting your initial stake back in the process)
 
Brownlow Medal betting in the run is great for this too, haven't studied the form guide yet as to when the top fancies played best but off the top of my head bets like these might be okay

Lay Adam Goodes at start of night as from memory had a quiet start to year and came on strong so will more than likely blow out early on so can back him in the run when you think he will start to poll votes. Think he is around $7 now yet could get out to decent double figure odds if doesn't poll early

Back Ablett or Judd early and lay off in the run if they shorten as played most of their certain vote getting games at start of year

As I said, I haven't studied the form as to when the major hopes are likely to poll votes so might be better examples than these. If you study the form you can usually find one player who fits the bill to do this with
 
Interesting idea. :) I'm still disappointed that us Aussies can't bet in-the-run on the internet, hopefully the legislation changes soon, obviously it's still possible over the phone but it's slower and gives away some of our advantage.

My man Fernando Verdasco is up 2 sets to 1, and now has the break in the 4th, so my decision to take on John Isner is looking like a good one. :)
 
Brownlow Medal betting in the run is great for this too, haven't studied the form guide yet as to when the top fancies played best but off the top of my head bets like these might be okay

Lay Adam Goodes at start of night as from memory had a quiet start to year and came on strong so will more than likely blow out early on so can back him in the run when you think he will start to poll votes. Think he is around $7 now yet could get out to decent double figure odds if doesn't poll early

Back Ablett or Judd early and lay off in the run if they shorten as played most of their certain vote getting games at start of year

As I said, I haven't studied the form as to when the major hopes are likely to poll votes so might be better examples than these. If you study the form you can usually find one player who fits the bill to do this with


Interested you bring this up, I think from memory last year Betfair turned the AFL Brownlow medal in-play. Simon Black started a $26.00 shot, but traded as low as around $2.20 in-play. (There was quite a lot of liquidity matched in-play) I agree would love to bet in-play on the Brownlow but you have to have quick internet, and have live coverage of the result somehow.
 
Cilic 12 v 1.08 Murray pre game

Lay $10,000 @ 1.08 on Murray
Murray -$800/+$10,000 Cilic


Marin Cilic wins 1st set , odds Murray 1.33 v 4.00 Cilic

just Backed $8000 back on Murray @ 1.33
+$2,640 Murray/-$8,000 Cilic

Overall position: +$1,840 Murray/+$2,000 Cilic

happy either way who wins from here
 
should have held my book in initial position

Cilic 7-5 3-0 Murray, double break up

Cilic 1.83 v 2.18 Murray now

Betfair Matched: AUD 10,172,757
 
^ Top stuff anyway! Great judgement on that match. :)

I've had a nibble at Minnesota Vikings for the SuperBowl @ $21 (they're $16 on Centrebet). They have a top defence, one of the best running backs in the business, and a very cushy schedule. I think those odds will shorten considerably by a third of the way into the season.
 

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yeah from memory Simon Black was $26.00 pre Brownlow night.

Got as low as $2.20 mid way through the count when leading by a few votes
 
Not sure how this will format, but here's Simon Black's In-Running sumary of the night:

Round, Time, Odds, Votes, Leaders Votes

2, 8.48pm, 36.0, 5v, 6v
5, 9.07pm, 21.0, 8v, 8v
10, 9.42pm, 3.70, 17v, 17v
17, 10.32pm, 1.80, 23v, 23v


At 9.54pm (R21) odds available were:

Cooney (24) - 2.00
Black (23) - 1.42
Ablett (22) - 2.00
Richo (22) - 6.00
 
ok i am looking at doing this with the NRL premirship but i just need a little help.

ok last week i put a bet on storm to win the premirship at $6 they are now $3.25

next in line are
BULLDOGS $4.00
PARRAMATTA $4.00
ST GEORGE ILLAWARRA $5.50
BRISBANE $7.50
GOLD COAST $26.00

i dont think Parra can win it imo so based on $100 per bet if i bet on the Bulldogs St George and Brisbane at worst i'll break even, while having 4 of the last 6 on the go.

Outlay $ 400

Out come
Storm = $600
+$200

Bulldogs = $400
$00.00 even

St George = $550
+ $150

Brisbane = $750
+ $350


part 2



ok as i am new to betting and betting strategies, im still trying to work out what works and that.

now ATM i give myself a weekley limit to bet and look at a wide range of sports to bet on ie AFL NRL NFL Tennis Soccer Cricket and so on.

what i want to kow is do i stick with pooling my bank roll and just betting on the wide range of sports and keeping an eye on weekly profits/losses.

or do i keep it all Separate ie these are my AFL bet my NRL bets Tennis ect and then just looking at profits/losses for just AFL and Just NRL... then just sum up my overall results

ie

AFL
outlay $400
outcome +$350

NRL
outlay $300
outcome -$100

Tennis
Outlay $300
outcome - $100

summing up weekley outlay $1000
outcome + $150

thanks
 

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backing and laying is almost always a guarnteented profit

Your understanding of how betting works is obviously as strong as your spelling skills.
 
I've had a nibble at Minnesota Vikings for the SuperBowl @ $21 (they're $16 on Centrebet).
The Vikes are in to $16 ($16.50 to lay) on Betfair now, after only the one game. They should maul the Lions this week too, which might make them look even more attractive to punters. So far, so good. :thumbsu:
 
Great idea for a thread TRS

Did it with the San Diego Chargers this year, the other 3 teams in their division are train wrecks and all have quarterback issues which makes them a lock for the playoffs IMO. Backed them to win Superbowl @ $13.0 and hoping to lay entire bet off mid season as I don't think they can beat the Patriots. Also had a decent bet on them to win the division @ 1.44 and into 1.30 now so might even look at trading that as well mid season

Chargers now $1.18 to win division yet were nothing short of disgraceful last week but they did win a divisional match on the road which should lock up the division for em

Should have followed TRS with Vikings bet (was intending to back either them or Packers but have missed the boat now) as there looks plenty of value in backing a couple of NFC teams to win Superbowl as the top 3 in betting at start of season were all from same division (Giants, Eagles, Cowboys) and only 2 of them can make playoffs at best which has to inflate the odds of other teams. Only problem is that its virtually impossible to pick a division winner

Both Vikings and Packers look locks this week against Detroit and Cinci and will naturally shorten especially considering a couple of the top NFC teams are certain to lose this week with match ups between New Orleans/Phili and Giants/Cowboys so the 2 losers there will blow out

Even though I missed the odds last week I am going to back both Vikings and Packers this week to win Superbowl and instead of laying off the bets might let it run the entire year as one of them is a certainty to win the division and there is a fair chance that both of them will get through and lay off then.

Bets so far are:
San Diego $200 @ $13
Minnesota $100 @ $16
Green Bay $100 @ $20
Tennessee $40 @ $27

Hopefully if I keep going down this street will hve a green book come January

Also seriously looking at having a decent crack on Adelaide to win AFL next year as cannot see them missing top 4 and be easy to lay for a profit if they finish there. Thing I like about them is that they are very even so a couple of injuries won't cripple them
 
So, earlier in the year I backed Scott Thompson at $1001/$251 to win/place in the brownlow medal at $20 each way for a payout of $20010/5020.

I have a maximum of $900 disposable funds to me at the moment, and he is $48 now to Lay. I don't really understand the lay/back option.

i.e If he places top 3 - I have a bet riding for $5020
Only $900 at my disposal at the moment.
 
So, earlier in the year I backed Scott Thompson at $1001/$251 to win/place in the brownlow medal at $20 each way for a payout of $20010/5020.

I have a maximum of $900 disposable funds to me at the moment, and he is $48 now to Lay. I don't really understand the lay/back option.

i.e If he places top 3 - I have a bet riding for $5020
Only $900 at my disposal at the moment.


Yeah you need a big balance to be able to lay a $48.00.

riding the bet probably only option for now.

So your position on scott Thompson in outright:
+$20,000 (Thompson Wins Brownlow)/-$20 Someone Else wins Brownlow
(You could lock in profit, by laying him at 290.00)

In the Place Market:
+$5,000 Thompson gets top 3/-$20 Doesnt get in top 3
(Place is currently $46.00 to Lay)

IMO if its a long shot, its better just to ride it. Unless it gets to some individually small odds in single figures then I would attempt to lock in profit
 

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