The Kevin McHale Cup (Auction League)

[mdc]

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Owners:

Moo - The Scooby Moos
Borgsta
raffrox
johncocksasuperstar
gridlocked
Rocco_S
Billy the Kidd - The Kidd's Crew
Bugsey Mogues - Dominatique Walkins
Deledio2Tambling - D2T's Terror Squad
mdc
realsniper09
Badga

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Da Rulez (please read!)

The draft
I.Every team begins the draft with a “budget” (or salary cap) of 50 million. Nice round number.

II.Players will be auctioned off in groups of 6.

III.Groups will consist of players of similar fantasy value, using a “cheat list” off a pre-agreed fantasy site.

IV.If you have the highest bid for a particular player, the amount you submitted is what you’ll pay. So, if you offered 18 million for Kobe, and the next highest bid is 9 million, you will still pay 18m, not 9.5m or 10m (i.e. it’s not E-bay!)

V.An owner cannot successfully bid on more than one player in any group of 6. So, even if you had the highest bid on both Garnett and Nowitzki, if they are in the same group, you will only get one of them – specifically, the player that you bid more for.

VI.If an owner successfully bids on a player in 2 consecutive groups, he must “sit out” the next group.

VII.The minimum bid allowed for any player is half a million.

VIII.Each team will be required to draft 15 players.

IX.Once the draft is completed, owners are allowed to nominated 3 players who they wish to grant “2 year contracts”. These 3 players will be kept for the next season at exactly the same price.

The season
I.Standard 9-category roto scoring, free Yahoo! League.

II.Moves restricted to 20 for the season - It is the commish’s belief that leagues should be won through good drafting and trading, not by being the quickest to pounce on every available free agent.

III.Waiver wire waiting period will be 1 day.

IV.Trades will be made independent of “budget” implications – but note that 2-year contracts will carry over to the off-season.


The off-season
I.Following the end of the season, owners may extend a “qualifying offer” to 3 of their players. This gives them the right to see the highest bid for that particular player in the upcoming draft, and then match if they wish to.

II.Players going into the second year of 2-year contracts are removed from the draft pool, and their “cost” is subtracted from the 50mil budget before the draft.

III.Back to the draft!
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Pre-Season Consensus Power Rankings:

1. realsniper09 (average: 2.82, biggest fan: 5/12 people like him to win the whole thing! biggest doubter: Deledio2Tambling had him 7th)

2. Borgsta (average: 3.45, biggest fan: Moo has him at no.1, biggest doubter: Bugsey Mogues has him 10th)

3. mdc (average: 3.54, biggest fan: gridlocked and Badga have me at no.1, biggest doubter: realsniper09 has me at no.8)

4. Bugsey Mogues (average: 4.18, biggest fan: Rocco_S and Borgsta think he'll take out the league, biggest doubter: D2T and Badga have him 6th)

5. Billy the Kidd (average: 4.81, biggest fan: 4/12 people think he'll finish in second place, biggest doubter: Moo has him taking home the spoon)

6. jcs (average: 5.82, biggest fan: Me! I've put him in at no.2, biggest doubter: D2T has him at no.10)

7. raffrox (average: 6.10, biggest fan: BtK has him in second place, biggest doubter: D2T and gridlocked have him 9th)

8. gridlocked (average: 6.82, biggest fan: Moo has him 3rd, biggest doubter: realsniper09 has put him at no.10)

9. Moo (average: 7.45, biggest fan: realsniper09 has him in first place, biggest doubter: D2T and borgsta have him in last place)

10. Rocco__S (average: 8.64, biggest fan: D2T has him winning the league, biggest doubter: 4 people have him at the very bottom)

11. Badga (average: 8.91, biggest fan: Rocco_S has him in 6th spot, biggest doubter: realsniper09 has him in last place)

12. Deledio2Tambling (average: 9.45, biggest fan: realsniper09 has him at no.6, biggest doubter: 4 people have him taking out the spoon)


The waiver-wire will be the reverse order of this list. The league should be up and running by tomorrow morning.

 

[mdc]

ROSTERS

mdc -
Chris Paul - $17520000
Dirk Nowitzki - $12810000
Andrew Bynum - $6523415
Ray Allen - $3751000
**Andris Biedrins - $2660000
Anthony Parker - $761000
Zydrunas Ilgauskas - $951000
**Kenyon Martin - $951000
Nate Robinson - $713585
Deshawn Stevenson - $525200
Jordan Farmar - $525200
Roger Mason - $503000
Joakim Noah - $605000
**Wilson Chandler - $603000
Amir Johnson - $598,000

johncocksasuperstar -
**Amare Stoudemire - $11340000
Chauncey Billups - $7324000
Rudy Gay - $8142000
**Manu Ginobili - $5635000
Brad Miller - $1793000
Richard Jefferson - $2001000
Kirk Hinrich - $1787000
Mike Bibby - $2013000
**Mike Beasley - $3021000
Nene Hilario - $2264000
Ryan Gomes - $612000
Cuttino Mobley - $500000
Andres Nocioni - $1002000
Matt Barnes - $1200000
Rudy Fernandez - $1366000

Bugsey Mogues - Dominatique Walkins
Kobe Bryant - $10151000
Caron Butler - $9250000
**Danny Granger - $7652000
Brandon Roy - $6125000
Greg Oden - $2836000
Jamario Moon - $1857000
**David Lee - $1976000
**Al Horford - $3282000
Tony Parker - $1977000
Ricky Davis - $1865000
Jerryd Bayless - $781000
Rashard McCants - $666000
Steve Blake - $503000
Sean May - $539000
Kelenna Azubuike - $539000

gridlocked -
Lebron James - $14760000
Gilbert Arenas - $7979000
Tim Duncan - $6435000
Gerald Wallace - $5357000
**Josh Howard - $4110000
Jason Terry - $1897000
**Kevin Durant - $3987000
Nick Collison - $1458000
Raja Bell - $737000
Earl Watson - $678000
Dorrell Wright - $500001
Chris Quinn - $500001
Udonis Haslem - $511000
Marcus Williams - $500001
**Mike Conley Jr - $590998

Borgsta -
**Kevin Garnett - $7812000
Chris Bosh - $9165000
Pau Gasol - $7135421
Joe Johnson - $6132000
**Corey Maggette - $2512000
Andrei Kirilenko - $2815400
Al Harrington - $1728179
Marvin Williams - $2137500
**Derrick Rose - $1952500
Beno Udrih - $1350000
Mickael Pietrus - $1275000
Daniel Gibson - $695000
Martell Webster - $1175000
Al Thornton - $2420000
Spencer Hawes - $1695000

realsniper09 -
Shawn Marion - $7000000
David West - $7500000
Kevin Martin - $6500000
Josh Smith - $8000000
Peja Stojakovic - $3500000
Mo Williams - $3400000
**Lamarcus Aldridge - $2300000
**Monta Ellis - $1600000
**Samuel Dalembert - $2200000
TJ Ford - $2500000
John Salmons - $2500000
Andray Blatche - $700000
Charlie Villaneuva - $1000000
Bobby Simmons - $500000
Marc Gasol - $800000

raffrox -
Elton Brand - $11710000
Rashard Lewis - $9670000
**Vince Carter - $6190000
Rasheed Wallace - $5220000
Lamar Odom - $4850000
**Michael Redd - $3580000
Shane Battier - $1510000
Leandro Barbosa - $1970000
**Francisco Garcia - $1880000
Tayshaun Prince - $644000
Antonio McDyess - $525000
Linas Kleiza - $535000
Travis Outlaw - $626000
Jamaal Tinsley - $510000
Brook Lopez - $580000

Rocco_S -
Dwyane Wade - $14905003
Baron Davis - $8998786
**Dwight Howard - $5596211
Tracy McGrady - $2208333
Emeka Okafor - $3200665
Andrew Bogut - $3791002
Zach Randolph - $1755555
Russell Westbrook - $1193056
Kyle Korver - $893056
**Luis Scola - $958333
Hakim Warrick - $3200001
Chris Duhon - $650000
**Jeff Green - $1149999
Chris Andersen - $750000
Brandon Rush - $750000

Deledio2Tambling - Terror Squad
Allen Iverson - $6900003
**Jason Richardson - $7200987
Paul Pierce - $6900856
Mike Dunleavy - $6400652
Jason Kidd - $6600823
Jamal Crawford - $4500879
Chris Kaman - $4000674
Troy Murphy - $2300712
**Tyson Chandler - $2194504
James Posey - $500000
Kurt Thomas - $500000
Larry Hughes - $500000
**Luke Ridnour - $500000
Ben Wallace - $500000
Kwame Brown - $500000

Moo - The Scooby Moos
Marcus Camby - $9200001
Antawn Jamison - $7400001
Jose Calderon - $8400001
**Ron Artest - $630002
Hedo Turkoglu - $5200000
Andre Miller - $3300009
**Ronnie Brewer - $1500000
Grant Hill - $1220000
**Ben Gordon - $600000
Anthony Carter - $700009
Jameer Nelson - $880009
Drew Gooden - $890000
Brendan Haywood - $850009
Andrea Bargnani - $1100009
Josh Boone - $2459923

Badga -
Carlos Boozer - $7000000
Deron Williams - $9000500
Andre Iguodala - $6000000
Stephen Jackson - $3000002
Mehmet Okur - $4000001
Richard Hamilton - $2500100
**Luol Deng - $1859521
Rafer Alston - $750000
**Randy Foye - $3000002
Raymond Felton - $3000002
Ramon Sessions - $2500006
Jeff Foster - $1847534
Rodney Stuckey - $1400000
**Yi Jianlian - $1600001
Kevin Love - $2542831

Billy the Kidd - The Kidd's Crew
Al Jefferson - $9275000
Steve Nash - $7750000
Carmelo Anthony - $6850000
Yao Ming - $6115000
Jermaine O'Neal - $3450000
Mike Miller - $3640000
Rajon Rondo - $2380000
**Devin Harris - $3280000
JR Smith - $1875000
OJ Mayo - $985000
**Thaddeus Young - $1475000
Tyrus Thomas - $1340000
**Boris Diaw - $525500
Shaquille O'Neal - $525480
Eric Gordon - $534000

 

[raffrox]

Now this is very cool.

Top work mdc.

 

[Gridlock'd]

Can we bid more than once a group of players, and more importantly more than once on the same player?

 

[mdc]

Can we bid more than once a group of players, and more importantly more than once on the same player?

Well, you won't actually see what the others are bidding, so I'm not sure why you'd bid twice.

I suppose if you've changed your mind on a certain player and decide he's worth more/less, I don't mind too much if you change your bids, but make sure you re-enter all your bids if possible.

The way it works is; all bids go into an Excel file once submitted, and when I change groups I'll open the excel file and just sort the bids to find the highest for each player. The file also records the time of your bids btw, and I'll always bid first (just after I change groups), so everyone knows there's no shenanigans.

 

[Billy the Kidd]

Looking good MDC, although we wouldn't of expected anything less of you

Also MDC do we now have 3 days to submit a bid on the 1st group? Does bidding end for this group thursday and a new group will appear on friday? Am i on the right track...

 

[mdc]

Looking good MDC, although we wouldn't of expected anything less of you

Also MDC do we now have 3 days to submit a bid on the 1st group? Does bidding end for this group thursday and a new group will appear on friday? Am i on the right track...

I'm not going to set a time-limit for this group, as it might take a little while for everyone to decide how they're going to approach the draft etc...

I'll check the bids on Friday morning, but if not everyone has bid, I'll extend it. Once all bids are received, and the the second group is in, it's all systems go.

 

[raffrox]

Got a question...

The rule says that once the draft is completed you nominate the 3 players to have 2 year contracts.

Would it be better to nominate after the season? Otherwise there is no way to capitalise on owning a breakout player bcause you won't know their worth until the end of the season (did that make sense?).

 

[Deledio2Conca]

This is very cool, very cool indeed.

Gotta try and work out a strategy now, and I'm not sure which way I'm gonna go just yet....should be fun!!!

Thanks mdc for setting this up

 

[mdc]

Got a question...

The rule says that once the draft is completed you nominate the 3 players to have 2 year contracts.

Would it be better to nominate after the season? Otherwise there is no way to capitalise on owning a breakout player bcause you won't know their worth until the end of the season (did that make sense?).

Yep, but I wanted to get some correlation between "real life" and fantasy, and in reality all your players aren't going to have team options in their contracts. More often than not, you're going to have to guess their future performance before awarding the contract.

Although, we could incorporate a Team Option for players drafted in the last 3 rounds, similar to second-round picks in the NBA. Or would that just be too complicated?

 

[raffrox]

Yep, but I wanted to get some correlation between "real life" and fantasy, and in reality all your players aren't going to have team options in their contracts. More often than not, you're going to have to guess their future performance before awarding the contract.

Although, we could incorporate a Team Option for players drafted in the last 3 rounds, similar to second-round picks in the NBA. Or would that just be too complicated?

Would that replace one of the three you can carry over?

It might work but I'm happy to keep it simple as well. I've learnt my lesson.

What would happen if I chose to give Lebron a two year contract and he's offered 50 mil to go play in Greece and misses the next season completely? How would I replace that 'keeper' on my list for the following season? It would be the same if someone does their knee in the last game of the season and will be out for the entire following year.

Just throwing up some scenario's.

Happy to go with the commish and/or consensus.

 

[Deledio2Conca]

This is gonna sound ridiculous but is there any chance to make this as close to the real NBA as possible?

ie. Everyone gets kept the following year but you can choose to delist or re-sign whoever. I dunno just would be awesome to be in a league similar to a living breathing NBA.

 

[mdc]

Would that replace one of the three you can carry over?

Nah, I'd say they'd be on top of the three. Given they're being taken in 13th-15th rounds, it's highly unlikely they're going to be impact players, but it could be nice to have that continuity. I'll leave this up to consensus.

Also, since we don't have "rounds", but rather "groups", I should have said anyone taken in the last 6 groups would be eligible.

What would happen if I chose to give Lebron a two year contract and he's offered 50 mil to go play in Greece and misses the next season completely? How would I replace that 'keeper' on my list for the following season? It would be the same if someone does their knee in the last game of the season and will be out for the entire following year.

My gut says;
- If the player goes overseas or retires, then the contract is void.
- If the player is injured, he's still on the books.

I'll also add that even if you drop the player during the season, he remains on the books for next season. Likewise, if he is traded, the new owner assumes the contract.

 

[mdc]

This is gonna sound ridiculous but is there any chance to make this as close to the real NBA as possible?

ie. Everyone gets kept the following year but you can choose to delist or re-sign whoever. I dunno just would be awesome to be in a league similar to a living breathing NBA.

It's a nice idea, but ultimately doesn't work, because the cycles are too long, and owners lose interest.

For fantasy to work, people have to believe they have a chance to win every year, otherwise you won't get an active league. Imagine being stuck with the Timberwolves roster for example, and knowing you won't be competitive for at least 5 seasons. Would you still play?

That's why I've kept the max. contract to 2 years as well, anything longer would slow activity imo.

 

[Moo]

Love your MDC

Going to enjoy watching someone bid $5 million for Darko (he is a sleeper you know) only to find out no one else bid.

 

[Borgsta]

Awesome set up.

Am wondering though if 50m is enough for 15 players?

 

[Deledio2Conca]

Awesome set up.

Am wondering though if 50m is enough for 15 players?

Yeah is there like a league minimum where if you are going to go over the cap you can get some league min guys so you don't go over?

 

[mdc]

Am wondering though if 50m is enough for 15 players?

What's the NBA cap? Is it closer to 60m now? I was just going off that really.

In the end it's fairly arbitrary, but I'm happy to raise it if people want.

Yeah is there like a league minimum where if you are going to go over the cap you can get some league min guys so you don't go over?

"VII.The minimum bid allowed for any player is half a million"

My preference is that there's no "going over" whatsoever - basically if you still need to draft 4 players, and you only have 5m left, the most you can spend on the next guy is 3.5m, leaving yourself enough to pay the last 3 guys minimum money. It's just easier for me to keep track of it that way.

 

[Billy the Kidd]

Awesome set up.

Am wondering though if 50m is enough for 15 players?

Yeah I thinking the same as i've never been involved in a competition like this.

I have no idea where to start but i think my 5 milllion bid on Lebron will snag him!

 

[Rocco_S]

Love your work MDC!

 

[realsniper09]

So what if I'm in the last round and I want to bid for Pat Garrity... do I still have to bid at least $500,000 seeing that no one will want him...?

How will you decide who goes where if everyone starts bidding the minimum because they have very little money left at the end?

What if I want to trade Dwight Howard ($5 000 000) for Michael Redd ($10 000 000) but I am at $49 000 000 already?

What about free-agent pick ups...? Are they just $500 000? Are we going to have to bid for free-agents through out the season?

What I'm saying is, is the salary only relevant during the draft?

>_<

 

[Moo]

The cap amount is irrelevant really as long as we know what the minimum is.

Basically if you bid high early - you have to make sure you have enough basic salary to buy rubbish.

I think my 5 000 001 bid for Le Bron may win

 

[mdc]

Good questions.

So what if I'm in the last round and I want to bid for Pat Garrity... do I still have to bid at least $500,000 seeing that no one will want him...?

Yep, 500K is the min. You should know though, drafting Pat Garrity is an instant ban from the league. That's an unwritten law.

How will you decide who goes where if everyone starts bidding the minimum because they have very little money left at the end?

Given I've asked everyone not to bid in round, million-dollar numbers, I'm hoping this won't happen too much. I.e. even if you're running out of money, you might have, say, 523K left, as opposed to 500K.

If 2 players do bid the same amount, I'll use the following tie-breaker:

a) The owner that submitted less bids in that particular group, wins the player. So for example if we both bid 500K for Kwame Brown, but I bid on 3 others in the group, while you just went for Kwame, you get Kwame.

b) If a) doesn't decide it, whoever's had the more recent pick loses out. So if we both bid 500K for Kwame, but I had gotten a player from the last group, whereas you didn't, you get Kwame.

c) If a) and b) don't decide it, whoever spent more on their first pick in the auction loses out.

Hope that makes sense. It's a little more complicated than a coin-flip, but I think it's a fair way doing it.

What if I want to trade Dwight Howard ($5 000 000) for Michael Redd ($10 000 000) but I am at $49 000 000 already?

Salary cap isn't in effect during the season. Basically, I want to see as much trading as possible, and having a cap during the season would restrict it. The only salary cap implication is that 2-year contracts carry over in trades. Otherwise, the salary cap is only relevant to the draft.

What about free-agent pick ups...? Are they just $500 000? Are we going to have to bid for free-agents through out the season?

What I'm saying is, is the salary only relevant during the draft?

See above

Just remember, FA moves are restricted to 20.

 

[raffrox]

My gut says;
- If the player goes overseas or retires, then the contract is void.
- If the player is injured, he's still on the books.

I'll also add that even if you drop the player during the season, he remains on the books for next season. Likewise, if he is traded, the new owner assumes the contract.

So if my guy retires or goes to Europe I start the season with only two keepers? That seems fine. I'm just clarifying.

I agree with what you are saying that everyone has to feel that they can win each year. What happens if you do start the season with say, Arenas on 11 mil and he's injured preseason and out for the year. Does that mean that my team effectively has 11 mil less cap and one less roster space? Thats a big disadvantage.

Taking an example from my league last year where someone had Oden and Brand go down preseason. What happens if I had both those guys on a 2 year contract? Can I cut them and not have to pay their contracts or am I stuck with their contracts?

 

[mdc]

So if my guy retires or goes to Europe I start the season with only two keepers? That seems fine. I'm just clarifying.

Yep.

I agree with what you are saying that everyone has to feel that they can win each year. What happens if you do start the season with say, Arenas on 11 mil and he's injured preseason and out for the year. Does that mean that my team effectively has 11 mil less cap and one less roster space? Thats a big disadvantage.

Taking an example from my league last year where someone had Oden and Brand go down preseason. What happens if I had both those guys on a 2 year contract? Can I cut them and not have to pay their contracts or am I stuck with their contracts?

Here's an idea.

If a guy is injured pre-season, you can choose to drop his contract off the books. An injury exemption basically. But...if he comes back during that year, you're penalised next season for however many games he's played.

Let's take Elton Brand as the example. Say you paid 10m for him last year, and decided to drop him before the draft when he blew his achilles.

Well, he came back and played 1/4 of the season, so you'd be penalised 2.5m (1/4 of 10m) this year.

Thoughts?