The Last Minute

[Geoffa32]

He was being tackled at the time. On first viewing I thought his kick was just a product of throwing a boot on it while being rotated.

That is what I thought.

He did everything he could to not get caught HTB.

You could argue that ultimatley may have been a better outcome. But not in the heat of the moment. Greenwood did well IMO.

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[Bazz_27]

That is what I thought.

He did everything he could to not get caught HTB.

You could argue that ultimatley may have been a better outcome. But not in the heat of the moment. Greenwood did well IMO.

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Absolutely, without greenwood we would have lost by 20 odd points. He was crucial.

 

[Jarman3]

I'd be a lot more interested in analysing the last 10 minutes of the third quarter. That's when we lost the game, not in the last 20 seconds. The last 20 seconds was just the footy gods serving justice because we did not deserve to win that game despite a good fightback in the dying minutes.

 

[ltdamn]

Greenwood won the last 3 centre clearances off his own boot. We wouldn't have been 1 point up without him. He literally was Thor for 2 minutes there. Took the game on by himself after we got pummelled in the centre for nearly a full half of football.

 

[PCORF]

Under Pyke, we have won 2 games and lost 4 games, by 10pts or less. There is the draw also.

Same under Gary Ayers, Neil Craig (not 2005 or 2008) and Brenton Sanderson (in 2013 2014).

 

[PCORF]

I'd be a lot more interested in analysing the last 10 minutes of the third quarter. That's when we lost the game, not in the last 20 seconds. The last 20 seconds was just the footy gods serving justice because we did not deserve to win that game despite a good fightback in the dying minutes.

It was nice silencing that crowd briefly but I knew the game wasn't over. Just had a bad feeling in the last 40 seconds, it has happened many times before and it happened again.

 

[Crow_Magnon]

I'm never watching that again

I just hope we play Hinkley's pathetic reaction before the next game against these flogs! Once we start getting players back it'll be a completely different story.

 

[1970crow]

Douglas sets up back of the square, has to know McGovern is in the area to fill up the hole just behind half back.

Once the ball floats in Douglas makes fatal errors;

1. No awareness of McGovens presence despite this being a pre determined structure;

2. If he was aware of his presence, he clearly didn't trust him to halve a contest with Sam Gray;

3. Totally misjudged the flight of the ball;

4. Didn't readjust once it became clear the ball couldn't be marked, preferring to leave one hand hanging out;

5. Readjustment needed a simple turn, take front and square position and trust McG to mark or halve the contest.

6. Continues to track back to the point he causes collision and loss of numerical advantage.

The structure was set, players were in position, remove the Douglas play and McG marks on his chest.

Or if he drops mark, Douglas is there to clean up ground ball.

Total f....g mess caused by one player not doing what was required

And, if it wasn't one of our players that he took out of the contest it would have been one of theirs resulting in a free kick. It really was an idiotic act.

 

[SugarShane]

I'd be a lot more interested in analysing the last 10 minutes of the third quarter. That's when we lost the game, not in the last 20 seconds. The last 20 seconds was just the footy gods serving justice because we did not deserve to win that game despite a good fightback in the dying minutes.

So, analyze it in another thread? This isn't the "Where did we lose it" thread. This thread is for analyzing the epic screw ups that led us from having the game won with 40 seconds left, to having lost it 20 seconds later.

 

[Samcro24]

If only Douglas slipped over

 

[Alwaysacrow]

I was there and the last minute was crazy, but I'm over it now. If that's the best Port can do with their near full strength side compared to ours with 5-6 genuine 1st 22 players missing and with their home crowd screaming then we've got nothing to worry about next game.

 

[radiojake]

If only Douglas slipped over

POTY

 

[FR0GGY]

If only Douglas slipped over

Or did a hamstring?

 

[Samcro24]

Or did a hamstring?

Even if he was just mildly aware of one.

 

[John Who]

I looked at the last minute again, and really there wasn't much wrong that we did. The acts leading to Port's last goal:
1. Greenwood getting the ball from centre bounce, being tackled right away, and getting a quick kick out. Not much more he could do.
2. Dougie going back with the flight of the ball, going for a mark or a punch. Courage should be applauded, and not mocked for being stupid. His aim was to make it very hard for the Port forwards to take a mark around our defensive 50.
3. Dougie bashing into McGovern. Plain bad luck. Nothing more than this. Dougie could have easily crashed into Neade instead, but he wasn't to know who was directly behind him.
4. Motlop pounced on the ball, dodged a few players and then steadied for the goal. Atkins et al could have perhaps made a better tackling effort, but in the heat of the moment, these things can happen.

Doing a deep analysis of the last few minutes would be a pointless exercise in the scheme of things though. That 3rd quarter was where the game was lost, and the team needs to collectively fix that issue of leaking so many goals in a row to their opposition.

 

[El Doederino]

I completely and totally disagree with the philosophy of essentially conceding possession at the bounce.

The tougher you make it to clear the center the tougher it is to score.

Coaches in every damn sport play cautious and it's ridiculous.

Why would we not want to get possession and clear the ball?? You do that the game is OVER.

I am not saying you don't put an extra guy back--but that's it.

You play straight up in the center box--hell even a tie up and it's OVER.

Tired of watching my teams play not to lose

Sick of it

Because Risk v Reward.

1 point up and 40 seconds to go. The last thing we want is a directionless clearance. Harsh on Huey, but he made the biggest mistake in the whole play.

You’re right. If he had a clear kick to a Crows player or at worst, a contest, then fine. But it was a blind kick and we were punished.

Should have handballed to Jacobs and the aim of the game should have been to hold it in and draw a free from Port who were desperate to get their hands on it.

We didn’t need to do anything to win the game, just congested and let Port take all the risks.

Instead, Port took zero risk and we played it all in their hand.

Up there with the worst 40 seconds of Crows football.

 

[skam85]

I looked at the last minute again, and really there wasn't much wrong that we did. The acts leading to Port's last goal:
1. Greenwood getting the ball from centre bounce, being tackled right away, and getting a quick kick out. Not much more he could do.
2. Dougie going back with the flight of the ball, going for a mark or a punch. Courage should be applauded, and not mocked for being stupid. His aim was to make it very hard for the Port forwards to take a mark around our defensive 50.
3. Dougie bashing into McGovern. Plain bad luck. Nothing more than this. Dougie could have easily crashed into Neade instead, but he wasn't to know who was directly behind him.
4. Motlop pounced on the ball, dodged a few players and then steadied for the goal. Atkins et al could have perhaps made a better tackling effort, but in the heat of the moment, these things can happen.

Doing a deep analysis of the last few minutes would be a pointless exercise in the scheme of things though. That 3rd quarter was where the game was lost, and the team needs to collectively fix that issue of leaking so many goals in a row to their opposition.

Really? We didn't do much wrong? Please.
Our entire last 40 seconds were filled with 'we stuffed it' moments.
Port didn't win the game, we lost it; in that one, excruciating final passage of play.

Forget the rest of the game, we put ourselves in a position after 120-odd minutes (bar 40s) to be in front. And then we totally blew it.

 

[mattymac]

OK, so there has been discussion in different threads, but perhaps a single thread to analyse the last minute is warranted. This is not intended to be a player massacre, although some will inevitably come under discussion.

IMHO, looking at the last minute, from McGovern's mark onwards, there are a few points to note;

• McGovern marks with 40 seconds on the clock, why does the clock stop and not keep on ticking? Why has the umpire called time off here and not put it back on? Ive seen plenty of games where the clock ticks all through the 30 seconds allowed - has there been a rule change?
• The set-up, with only 2 forwards is certainly up for debate - for the exact reason as to what happened. If you get a clearance, you will lose possession of the ball. The chances of the clearance going to your forwards are slim.
• In this situation it is best NOT to get a clearance. Ideally you want to create a rolling maul with tackle after tackle. Hawthorn are the masters of this in the last few moments of a game.
• 4 extra defenders and yet the centre corridor from the F50 to 30 m out is empty. Where were the extras? Positioning was not correct.
• Galluci and Douglas start off the back of the square. Neither take responsibility for Motlop who is left to wander alone. Douglas as the senior player should have taken control of this.
• Galluci runs in to the square, turns left and heads to the wing. What was he doing? Was he really looking for a cheap kick hoping we won the ball? 40 seconds to go, just shut it down. He needs this pointed out.
• Atkins had to tackle. He had every chance to impact the contest and at least force Motlop to handball the ball. He has played enough now to know his effort was unacceptable. Needs a bollocking.

This morning Roo said we set up exactly as we practiced. We can't simply shrug it off as an 'unlucky bounce of the ball'. Our set up failed when it mattered. Must be reviewed immediately.

Yeah it was just Dougie taking out Gov and then our most feeble tacklers in Atkins and Dmac on the last line of defense.

I'm much more concerned with the lack of on field leadership and voice in the 3rd quarter, which we always knew is port's best quarter.

Remarkable that we even snatched the lead.

 

[John Who]

Really? We didn't do much wrong? Please.
Our entire last 40 seconds were filled with 'we stuffed it' moments.
Port didn't win the game, we lost it; in that one, excruciating final passage of play.

Forget the rest of the game, we put ourselves in a position after 120-odd minutes (bar 40s) to be in front. And then we totally blew it.

I agree on the "we totally blew it" part. Just not wanting to emphasise the last minute as our reason for the loss.

 

[Redleg Crow]

I would have been more shocked had we held on than the way it worked out. 40 secs to go, 1 point up? I'm putting money on the other side.

As predictable of Mackay missing that shot for goal.

 

[robboaustralia]

Because Risk v Reward.

1 point up and 40 seconds to go. The last thing we want is a directionless clearance. Harsh on Huey, but he made the biggest mistake in the whole play.

You’re right. If he had a clear kick to a Crows player or at worst, a contest, then fine. But it was a blind kick and we were punished.

Should have handballed to Jacobs and the aim of the game should have been to hold it in and draw a free from Port who were desperate to get their hands on it.

We didn’t need to do anything to win the game, just congested and let Port take all the risks.

Instead, Port took zero risk and we played it all in their hand.

Up there with the worst 40 seconds of Crows football.

Funny thing is if he used his basketball experience he may have won us the game. Keep the ball close and waited for port players to converge on him. Pass the ball by hand or a wait four a foul to be committed. You see it in basketball all the time.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I would have been more shocked had we held on than the way it worked out. 40 secs to go, 1 point up? I'm putting money on the other side.

As predictable of Mackay missing that shot for goal.

Yep.

Homer Simpson: "I'm gonna warm up the car."

 

[robboaustralia]

Funny thing is if he used his basketball experience he may have won us the game. Keep the ball close and waited for port players to converge on him. Pass the ball by hand or a wait four a foul to be committed. You see it in basketball all the time.

Edit Just watched again. He really should have handballed to Sauce. Geez that kick he got away just missed Tex. If Tex just got a hand on it Howard would never have got that kick forward. Game over!

 

[Tex200]

I agree on the "we totally blew it" part. Just not wanting to emphasise the last minute as our reason for the loss.

That's certainly the easy option, looking at the 3rd quarter you don't have to apportion blame individually, it's just a team thing.

Working through the last 40 seconds is analysing individuals. Pyke was able to stomach it "moments become games" - he knows. He mentioned the third quarter but didn't shy away from the catastrophic ending.

It's happened too many times in our recent past to be a coincidence. We don't have senior players who can calmly close out a game.

Watch the presser, it's one of the more instructive Pyke has given I think. He was seething, you plan for that moment, you train it, train the structure, work through the potential outcomes and risk manage it. Would you say Pyke is a meticulous coach? Do you think he might have thought about a scenario where there is a quick kick out of the centre? Of course he did.

So a meticulous plan is set up, then one of your players commits an act which is so far outside of what you could foresee, that there is no way back from it.

That's what Douglas did. And Pyke refers to it when talking about the failure to execute the plan.

So let me ask you this - if our coach at his presser points to this incident when asked whether he had a plan to close out the game, and rolls out the "moments become games " quote, do you think he mentions it for fun? Or do you think he sees it as a match defining moment that was screwed up?

 

[SugarShane]

I would have been more shocked had we held on than the way it worked out. 40 secs to go, 1 point up? I'm putting money on the other side.

As predictable of Mackay missing that shot for goal.

Despite better knowledge and begging Gov to drag out his approach as long as possible, I let out a momentary "**** yeah!" as Gov's kick went through. Then my eyes drifted back towards the clock and saw :40. My heart sank, my face dropped, I turned to my wife and no word of a lie said, "That's too much time, we'll blow this."