The McIntyre system sucks!!

[raskolnikov]

St.George and Newcastle who won in the first week play Manly and Brisbane who lost and the losers are eliminated. Where the hell is the incentive to win in the first week? The AFL system is infinitely better. What is even worse is that suppose Canberra and Parramatta had both caused upsets then Newcastle(4th) and St.George (6th) would be in preliminary finals after one win while Brisbane(3rd) and Manly(5th) would have been eliminated after one loss. The McIntyre system is ridiculous.



P.S Go Doggies, Woof Woof!!

 

[Cleavy]

Where the hell is the incentive to win in the first week?

If you win, you can't be eliminated.

 

[pcpp]

It's terrible.

This weeks semi finals are now just a mix up of 3,4,5 and 6.

The "AFL" system is only marginally better.

Swans win by one point and get a free ride to 3rd week. 5th and 6th get eliminated in the first week despite ending up on the same amount of wins after 22 rounds.

 

[DaveW]

St.George and Newcastle who won in the first week play Manly and Brisbane who lost and the losers are eliminated. Where the hell is the incentive to win in the first week?

The incentive to win? Home ground advantage. Been saying it for ages.

The Knights should be playing in Newcastle.

Blame the NRL for corrupting the system.

 

[robbieando]

It's terrible.

This weeks semi finals are now just a mix up of 3,4,5 and 6.

The "AFL" system is only marginally better.

Swans win by one point and get a free ride to 3rd week. 5th and 6th get eliminated in the first week despite ending up on the same amount of wins after 22 rounds.

I would say the "AFL" system (and I give the ARL its rightful credit for coming up with it in the first place) we use now is only better because of TWO REASONS

1) HOME FINALS for 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th at some point during the first 3 weeks for the finals
2) THE "CERTAIN" DOUBLE CHANCE for 1st though 4th

I agree with Raskolnikov why should 3rd and 4th get knocked out in Week 1 if they finish in the Top 4??? You should be given more than just "a home final" which Brisbane has shown isn't that big of an advantage anyway for finishing in the Top 4 and if you finish 7th and 8th you should get a chance to win your final even if your playing "away".

The system has worked well for the NRL because there have been upsets by 6th and 7th, but thats why it didn't work in the AFL and why we changed to the current system and after the Week 1 of finals we just had I can't blame them for doing it.

 

[red+black]

Mathematically, the original McIntyre system (NRL) is better than the revised system (AFL). But in reality, the AFL system is far better.

I dislike the NRL system because:
- 3rd and 4th should not have the possibility of being eliminated after 1 loss
- 5th and 6th should not have the possibility of progressing straight through to Week 3 after 1 win
- 5th and 6th should not have the possibility of progressing after losing in Week 1
- teams get re-ranked after Week 1, at a total disregard for what's transpired the previous 26 weeks
- I'd argue that 1v4, 2v3, 5v8 and 6v7 provide all supporters with more interesting games

I not convinced that the AFL system is the best possible, for the simple fact that the top team could get a harder match in Week 3 than Week 1. In week 1, they play Team #4, and if all goes to plan, would play a higher ranked club, Team #3 in a cut throat preliminary final. Maybe week 1 should be 1v3, 2v4, 5v7 and 6v8. I'm not convinced either way, but all I know is that the AFL system is far better than the NRL system. Add home finals in Week 2 and Week 3, and the AFL puts the NRL to shame.

 

[LebaneseForces]

AFL system is HEAPS better!

NRL IMO should revert to the Top 5 system... If your not good enough to make the top 5 you shouldn't be given 'the chance' to win the GF!

 

[MrAaron]

well they are changing the system next season. if this was next season now we'd be playing the Preliminary Final @ Olympic Park

 

[red+black]

Be better in a few years when we have the new stadium.

I really really hate grounds with a running track

Who the **** cares about little ****y athletic meets?

 

[sportznut]

Been saying this for ages. The NRL finals system is completely ridiculous, especially if there is no home ground advantage after week 1. If teams 1 & 2 both win in week 1 as they usually do, then the other two games are a total waste of time, as the winners get no advantage and the losers get no disadvantage. The AFL system is infinitely superior, and I can't work out why the NRL hasn't changed this system.

 

[Fire Storm]

Actually, anyone with half a brain could see the NRL is far superiour. It's been proven over and over for several years now with most of the GF winners - if not all - comeing from the top 2.

Exactly how it should be.

The AFL is embarrasingly dumb. A $$$ system. Nothing more. Nothing less. Thank goodness the ARL got rid of it.



Home finals? Should only be in the first week...at best. I'd actually rather see them all play back in Sydney. But I'm not deluded like you guys are.

 

[camsmith]

I dont mind the system.

 

[sportznut]

NRL have used the current system for 7 seasons so far and the finals have been: (ladder position in brackets)
2005: W.Tigers (4) def NQ Cowboys (5)
2004: Bulldogs (2) def Roosters (1)
2003: Penrith (1) def Roosters (2)
2002: Roosters (4) def Warriors (1)
2001: Newcastle (3) def Parramatta (1)
2000: Brisbane (1) def Roosters (2)
1999: Melbourne (3) def St George/Ill (6)

AFL have used their current system for 6 seasons so far:
2005: Sydney (3) def West Coast (2)
2004: Port Adel (1) def Brisbane (2)
2003: Brisbane (3) def Collingwood (2)
2002: Brisbane (2) def Collingwood (4)
2001: Brisbane (2) def Essendon (1)
2000: Essendon (1) def Melbourne (3)

 

[BuffaloRules]

Actually, anyone with half a brain could see the NRL is far superiour. It's been proven over and over for several years now with most of the GF winners - if not all - comeing from the top 2.

Hmm... debatable

I think they have had the Mcintyre System since 1999. Winners since then...

1999 - Storm finished 3rd in reg season
2002 - Roosters Finished 4th
2005 - Tigers finished 4th

1st have won in 2000,2003
2nd have won in 2001, 2004

 

[BuffaloRules]

Beat me too it

 

[copa]

I'd prefer home finals up intil the second last week and the grand final to move around the country (to the highest bidder) so everyone feels they own RL and the money flows in... like the superbowl in the US.

 

[sportznut]

Nope.

The GF should stay in Sydney, just like the AFL GF should stay at the MCG.

 

[copa]

Nope.

The GF should stay in Sydney, just like the AFL GF should stay at the MCG.

THe NRL GF had to be locked in to sydney by a nsw government deal.. i think it is until 2011... other states were sniffing around for the action and the Iemma government panicked.

It will move around... it will be moving around for 20 years before the AFL GF does (thats if i heard correctly that the AFL GF is locked in for melbourne until roughly 2030).

Sydney doesn't own the GF. The roaming GF is coming.

 

[sportznut]

The only other place they could play it is Brisbane and the capacity is only 54,000 compared to 84,000. They'll go for 84,000.

 

[copa]

The only other place they could play it is Brisbane and the capacity is only 54,000 compared to 84,000. They'll go for 84,000.

Nope.. if that were the case SOO would be played in Sydney twice a year.... and would never be played in Melbourne..

Money comes from TV, advertising, sponsorship and ticket sales (which they can just increase in price like they did for this years NRL GF and it sold out faster than ever).

The value for RL in just having the GF in another city would be massive too. Governments also love throwing in the cash because they know they'll get heaps of interstate visitors pumping millions of $ into the economy.


It is coming... and you will adapt.

 

[sportznut]

Ummm, it's not up to me to adapt. I'm not dead against it or anything. I just think that you're idea is a bit fanciful and off the mark. I personally think the GF will stay in Sydney for a long time, but if it does go somewhere else, it will only be Suncorp Stadium. Nowhere else. And that's how it should be.

I doubt very much that they would play it in Melbourne. Think about it. The AFL GF is never going to leave the MCG, so why would the NRL which is based in Sydney want to give Melbourne TWO Grand Finals in the one year and be left with NONE themselves. It would never be played in Adelaide or Perth either. That's just ridiculous. And what's left? NZ? I don't think so. And Townsville and Newcastle just aren't big enough.

Now, as for State Of Origin matches, that's another story. I can definitely see more of what happened this year. One game in Brisbane, one in Sydney, and one in some other city.

 

[pcpp]

The only other place they could play it is Brisbane and the capacity is only 54,000 compared to 84,000. They'll go for 84,000.

The NRL Grand Final is not a Sydney event.

It's just that the AFL signed up to the MCG for a 50 year contract or something... i'm sure the AFL would be very, very willing to have it at Telstra Stadium for a special one off for the massive publicity it would get in Sydney.

Your concept of Melbourne having two grand finals and Sydney having none is ridiculous. Neither code has anything to do with each other in holding grand finals.

 

[Cleavy]

NRL IMO should revert to the Top 5 system... If your not good enough to make the top 5 you shouldn't be given 'the chance' to win the GF!

Ideally both codes should go back to the final 5, but $$$ get in the way.

 

[robbieando]

It's just that the AFL signed up to the MCG for a 50 year contract or something...

In the late 80's the MCC and the Victorian Government were having problems getting the loans needed to pay for the building of the Great Southern Stand so they could show the IOC and its members that they had the funding to build the stand in time for the date votes were counted in 1989 to find out who hosted the 1996 Olympic Games which Melbourne was bidding for. At the time the Victorian Government's AAA credit rating had been lost and banks were not going to loan the MCC and the Government the money unless they could prove they had big time events booked in for the next few decades to pay for the loans in case the Olympic Bid was lost (which it was).

Now in 1985 the the VFL and MCC had a massive falling out over the VFL's use of the MCG during the football season which lead the VFL to commit to play the Grand Final at Waverley from 1987 onwards if the VFL's demands weren't met. All hell broke loose in the football world as NO ONE wanted to play the Grand Final anywhere other than at the MCG and finally the State Government stepped in to broker a deal to keep the VFL there. But the VFL which would become the AFL in 1990 were in no mood to help the MCC out when they came to the VFL in around 1987/1988 begging to commit to playing the Grand Final, the Prelim Final (which at that time was Waverley's big Final) and 40 matches thoughout the season, for 40 years from 1992 once the Great Southern Stand was build.

The only way the VFL agree to such a deal was via the MCC agreeing to giving the "new" AFL office space to build the League's Headquarters and to provide the AFL with a 25,000 seat Members reserve simular to the MCC members reserve. So the deal was done and the Great Southern Stand got the loans which saw it get built, but the contract between the MCC and the AFL saw the AFL keep the GF there for 40 years between 1992 and 2032.

i'm sure the AFL would be very, very willing to have it at Telstra Stadium for a special one off for the massive publicity it would get in Sydney.

I doubt it. For starters the people of Perth and Adelaide would go spare and second of all the AFL reject such an idea when the MCG was being rebuilt in the last few years and the capacity of Telstra Stadium was greater than that of the MCG. It won't happen because the fans won't let it happen.

Your concept of Melbourne having two grand finals and Sydney having none is ridiculous. Neither code has anything to do with each other in holding grand finals.

You might not think so, BUT keep in mind the AFL doesn't have extra time or Golden Point come Grand Final Day. So if the NRL did decide to play their GF in Melbourne they would have to take into account that the AFL keeps the MCG booked for the entire week after the Grand Final in case of a drawn Grand Final, so you might not be released the ground until 24 hours before the NRL GF??

Rare and unlikely I know. So the NRL would HAVE to take that into account. Also they would have to take into account the AFL puts on standby for their use for any possible replay Flights, hotels, functions rooms, training ovals and even the Melbourne City Council months in advance and if they don't end up needing them release them on the Monday. The NRL and their fans would have to work around that.

Playing two Grand Finals in Melbourne in one year provide more issues and problems than you think, all because the AFL and their use of the Grand Final Replay.

 

[Sir_Adrian84]

Nope.. if that were the case SOO would be played in Sydney twice a year.... and would never be played in Melbourne..

Money comes from TV, advertising, sponsorship and ticket sales (which they can just increase in price like they did for this years NRL GF and it sold out faster than ever).

The value for RL in just having the GF in another city would be massive too. Governments also love throwing in the cash because they know they'll get heaps of interstate visitors pumping millions of $ into the economy.


It is coming... and you will adapt.

so technically melbourne could buy the rights to both GFs