The Nuclear debate

[nut]

Lol

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Lol

Poorly planned.

 

[peetoo]

Poorly planned.

Like socialism? ‘Not done right’?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Like socialism? ‘Not done right’?

Bing said.
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Significant delays and cost overruns
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station has not been routine due to a series of significant delays and cost overruns. The project, which was initially approved in 2016 with an £18 billion budget and a 2025 completion target, is now projected to cost at least £35 billion and will not deliver power until 2030 at the earliest. These delays are attributed to fundamental flaws in planning, risk assessment, and execution strategy, including the Illusion of a "Proven" Design and Unrealistic Baselines. The project has faced numerous challenges, including design modifications, productivity issues, and regulatory hurdles, leading to a near-doubling of the original budget and a five-year delay.
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Imagine if you started building a house , when the architect hadn't finished designing it yet , and the plans weren't drawn up.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The article is correct that you don't just throw them up.

Here's a more successful one, ( $25 -$30 Billion , dollars , not Pounds. ).
It still took nine years. From memory even Loy Yang coal power station took around that long.

And with our construction industry ......Nah... ( for what it cost , the Wonthaggi desalination plant should be a small nuclear power station ).

Barakah nuclear power plant - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Daka]

Nuclear scares the hell of me, it's all well and good until something catastrophe happens.
We don't need another Chernobyl even if we do have the resources and its way more efficient.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Lol

Can he do a video about Snowy 2.0

 

[nut]

Can he do a video about Snowy 2.0

He doesn’t advocate for hydro.
He does plenty on solar and battery…. The cheapest form of electricity.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Nuclear scares the hell of me, it's all well and good until something catastrophe happens.
We don't need another Chernobyl even if we do have the resources and its way more efficient.

The daytime must scare you then.

 

[jim boy]

Lol

yeah - the problem with this video is that it sets out the "case for the prosecution", which is that it costs a shitload but doesn't really put forward counter arguments. Such as:

1. 99% of the cost is commission/decommission costs, but for that you generate an absolute enormous amount of electricity, which even if with blow out costs, is in the cents per kwh range - quite comparative with renewables
2. The UK is is much more limited in generating renewable energy than we are. It's a relatively small, densely populated island. It can do a reasonable amount of wind, but solar is not much chop, and non-existant in winter. We have a population density of 4 people per square km, for the uk it is 285. While that density counts against renewables, it counts for nuclear - as the mega transmission lines required for the amount of power produced do not have to be that extensive.
3. UK has an overreliance on gas for power, which is largely imported. It is paying through the nose for it now at much higher prices than the worst case nuclear cost.
4. The uk has plenty of expertise in building and running nuclear power, they're comfortable with it

None of the above is an argument for building a nuclear power station in australia, almost all of the above would be opposite for us.

So yeah, lets not spend a $100 billion on a power plant that would produce plenty of electricty, lets instead triple that cost and spend it on some subs that wont contribute a dime to our energy or carbon needs

 

[Seeds]

Nuclear scares the hell of me, it's all well and good until something catastrophe happens.
We don't need another Chernobyl even if we do have the resources and its way more efficient.

Exactly. Its just not worth the risk even if it was the cheaper option.

And the fact its far less efficient and far more costly and doesnt help at all with firming should be the nail in the coffin.

 

[Seeds]

yeah - the problem with this video is that it sets out the "case for the prosecution", which is that it costs a shitload but doesn't really put forward counter arguments. Such as:

1. 99% of the cost is commission/decommission costs, but for that you generate an absolute enormous amount of electricity, which even if with blow out costs, is in the cents per kwh range - quite comparative with renewables
2. The UK is is much more limited in generating renewable energy than we are. It's a relatively small, densely populated island. It can do a reasonable amount of wind, but solar is not much chop, and non-existant in winter. We have a population density of 4 people per square km, for the uk it is 285. While that density counts against renewables, it counts for nuclear - as the mega transmission lines required for the amount of power produced do not have to be that extensive.
3. UK has an overreliance on gas for power, which is largely imported. It is paying through the nose for it now at much higher prices than the worst case nuclear cost.
4. The uk has plenty of expertise in building and running nuclear power, they're comfortable with it

None of the above is an argument for building a nuclear power station in australia, almost all of the above would be opposite for us.

So yeah, lets not spend a $100 billion on a power plant that would produce plenty of electricty, lets instead triple that cost and spend it on some subs that wont contribute a dime to our energy or carbon needs

1. Is false.
2. Density is not an issue for renewables anywhere in the world except maybe in island city states like singapore. Uk has amazing wind potential.
3. So use wind instead of gas. Much cheaper.
4. And yet it still costs too much with little possibility to lower the costs through further experience.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Can he do a video about Snowy 2.0

Snowy 2 is a great concept but.... WE CANNOT BUILD STUFF. We have armies of guys in flouro clothes and steel capped boots who will argue, but we are SHIT at building stuff.