The possibility of Essendon innocence: a travesty of justice or conspiracy theory for the ages?

[blackshadow]

Still doesn't excuse for the media camping at his place.

If he took responsibility for his actions as he said he would then I'm sure the story would have moved on. Instead he dug his heels in and tried to take everyone to court and repeatedly got his arse handed to him in court.

The issue was entirely of Hird's making.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

If he took responsibility for his actions as he said he would then I'm sure the story would have moved on. Instead he dug his heels in and tried to take everyone to court and repeatedly got his arse handed to him in court.

The issue was entirely of Hird's making.

So a person doesn't have a right to defend him self?

 

[blackshadow]

So a person doesn't have a right to defend him self?

Hird could have killed the story any time by coming clean and taking responsibility as he initially said he would. He probably would have had a reasonable amount of media sympathy too but he chose another path that kept the story hot.
I'm no fan of media camping out in front of people's houses, it's usually gutter journalism but it's disingenuous to think that the issue wasn't of Hird's making

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Hird could have killed the story any time by coming clean and taking responsibility as he initially said he would. He probably would have had a reasonable amount of media sympathy too but he chose another path that kept the story hot.
I'm no fan of media camping out in front of people's houses, it's usually gutter journalism but it's disingenuous to think that the issue wasn't of Hird's making

Even if he did no one would have believed him the media couldn't care Hird coming clean and telling the truth wouldn't sell papers

 

[The Warlord]

Dank referred to TB4 as 'thymosin'. Repeatedly. - Only allegedly in Nick's article/interview were Dank also described the properties of Thymomodulin 'as an immune booster'. Dank had sent an email to ASADA requesting the status of Thymomodulin. Dank used Thymomodulin on Melbourne players, this was confirmed in text messages between Dank and Melbourne's club Doctor.

Dank ordered TB4. - Allegation not proven. Dank was never charged with trafficking TB-4.

Charters sourced TB4 for Dank. - Charter never signed his affidavit, stating his comments were manipulated by ASADA. Charter made a public statement where he said he was not aware of the Essendon supplements program. This was never submitted as evidence.

Alavi compounded TB4. - Alavi made one public statement where he suggested it was impossible for ASADA or WADA to prove if the substance compounded was indeed TB-4 if Dank hadn't tested it. How does the pharmacist not know this, when he compounded it? In any case, Alavi never signed his affidavit, stating his comments were manipulated by ASADA.

Alavi sent TB4 to Dank. - see above

Dank injected players with 'thymosin'. - 12 players interview admitted to having a Thymosin injection. Their sworn statement referred to Thymomodulin and not TB-4. This evidence was not presented to CAS.

Players admitted to 'thymosin' injections. - see above.

Oh my god, allegedly.

Are you saying the interview never happened?

You're delusional.

Shut up.

 

[ChipnPotato]

Why did Dank tell him he used TB4?

Why was Dank shocked (to be sitting there) when Nick told him TB4 was banned?

Maybe, just maybe, Dank gave them TB4.

Like he said he did.

Run along now fool, go and play on the road.

Why would Dank describe the properties of Thymomodulin and not TB-4?
Why would the players lie in their sworn statement that they were given Thymomodulin?
Why would the fridge in Windy Hill have a vial with the word 'Thymomodulin' on it?
Why would Dank quiz ASADA about the status of Thymosin/Thymomodulin in an email?
Why didn't a single player test positive in and out of matches for TB-4 over a period of 6 months?
Why would Dank switch from TB-4 to Thymomodulin for Melbourne in the second half of 2012?
Why were 34 players charged for systemic doping, when there are 44 players on the list and only 12 of them admitted to being injected with Thymosin?
Why was Dank not charged with either trafficking or administering TB-4 to Essendon players? Did they self inject?

What do you got? Nick's article and interview, which in its entirety contradicts the characteristics of TB-4. Unsigned, manipulated affidavits from a convicted criminal and a pharmacist, both who refused to testify. Some strands in the cable. But you win for now because the truth is still out there

 

[ChipnPotato]

Oh my god, allegedly.

Are you saying the interview never happened?

You're delusional.

Shut up.

The interview happened, no doubt. Do you have the recordings? I'd love to hear it, the whole thing.

 

[bzparkes]

How is that hard to process? NSW is a pretty big state for Labour and they had their election coming up.. Did you hear about the NRL and the Cronulla Sharks?

Yes, barely. They copped their whack and moved on. Recently won a premiership too which proves not dragging it out was the right thing to do.

NSW labour election results have absolutely nothing to do with the Essendon FC protesting their 'innocence' of injecting their own players with a substance on the WADA banned list for a couple of years prior. To suggest otherwise is sheer lunacy.

 

[The Warlord]

Why would Dank describe the properties of Thymomodulin and not TB-4?
Why would the players lie in their sworn statement that they were given Thymomodulin?
Why would the fridge in Windy Hill have a vial with the word 'Thymomodulin' on it?
Why would Dank quiz ASADA about the status of Thymosin/Thymomodulin in an email?
Why didn't a single player test positive in and out of matches for TB-4 over a period of 6 months?
Why would Dank switch from TB-4 to Thymomodulin for Melbourne in the second half of 2012?
Why were 34 players charged for systemic doping, when there are 44 players on the list and only 12 of them admitted to being injected with Thymosin?
Why was Dank not charged with either trafficking or administering TB-4 to Essendon players? Did they self inject?

Because he was running a black ops doping program where he thought he'd found loopholes in the drug code.

But he stuffed up.

 

[The Warlord]

The interview happened, no doubt. Do you have the recordings? I'd love to hear it, the whole thing.

I'd love to know more about what the AOD financials were that Dank had ready for James and David.

What's your theory on that one?

 

[ChipnPotato]

Yes, barely. They copped their whack and moved on. Recently won a premiership too which proves not dragging it out was the right thing to do.

NSW labour election results have absolutely nothing to do with the Essendon FC protesting their 'innocence' of injecting their own players with a substance on the WADA banned list for a couple of years prior. To suggest otherwise is sheer lunacy.

Okay. If you can't follow the connection that's fine. Agreed Essendon has nothing to do with the NSW Labor election. The federal government (at the time run by Gillard) started the saga and if they didn't nail Essendon and Cronulla, there would have been nothing. There was no match fixing, there were no proven links to organised crime, it was a smoke screen. ASADA could have pursued Essendon and Cronulla in the right way and out of the media spot light, if it was purely for substance abuse. Not the media circus that entailed.

 

[ChipnPotato]

I'd love to know more about what the AOD financials were that Dank had ready for James and David.

What's your theory on that one?

Let me guess = Dank injected Essendon players with TB-4?

 

[ChipnPotato]

Because he was running a black ops doping program where he thought he'd found loopholes in the drug code.

But he stuffed up.

And what about Melbourne? How did the go under the radar?

 

[The Warlord]

Let me guess = Dank injected Essendon players with TB-4?

No, Dank texting Hird about the "AOD financials".

You claim to know the ins and outs of all this, what was that about?

 

[Jobe Watson]

hahahahaha.

 

[bzparkes]

Okay. If you can't follow the connection that's fine. Agreed Essendon has nothing to do with the NSW Labor election. The federal government (at the time run by Gillard) started the saga and if they didn't nail Essendon and Cronulla, there would have been nothing. There was no match fixing, there were no proven links to organised crime, it was a smoke screen. ASADA could have pursued Essendon and Cronulla in the right way and out of the media spot light, if it was purely for substance abuse. Not the media circus that entailed.

Take off the tinfoil hat mate. Essendon tried to cheat the system and got caught.

Are you James Hird by any chance? Still refusing to accept guilt and clutching at imaginary straws to try and say you were hard done by.

Chinese swimming team would be proud of the Essendon doping program.

 

[The 747]

Why would Dank describe the properties of Thymomodulin and not TB-4?
Why would the players lie in their sworn statement that they were given Thymomodulin?
Why would the fridge in Windy Hill have a vial with the word 'Thymomodulin' on it?
Why would Dank quiz ASADA about the status of Thymosin/Thymomodulin in an email?
Why didn't a single player test positive in and out of matches for TB-4 over a period of 6 months?
Why would Dank switch from TB-4 to Thymomodulin for Melbourne in the second half of 2012?
Why were 34 players charged for systemic doping, when there are 44 players on the list and only 12 of them admitted to being injected with Thymosin?
Why was Dank not charged with either trafficking or administering TB-4 to Essendon players? Did they self inject?

What do you got? Nick's article and interview, which in its entirety contradicts the characteristics of TB-4. Unsigned, manipulated affidavits from a convicted criminal and a pharmacist, both who refused to testify. Some strands in the cable. But you win for now because the truth is still out there

Mate, this is the most pointless argument. They were found guilty by WADA, the appeal was denied, the saga is over. There is no right of further appeal.

By the standard which applies to these cases they were found guilty and nothing will change that - it is a fact.

 

[HairyO]

It's unfortunate that the NRL players were duped by the NRL and ASADA to take the deal and plead guilty to doping, with laughable evidence. I suspect as there were fewer of them (10 vs 34), they were made to believe the evidence was compelling, there was no interim report by ASADA unlike the Essendon case and the backdated deal of sitting out 3 games, perhaps made it a no brainer for the 10 players vs the threat of sitting out for 2 years. One wonders if Cronulla hadn't accepted the deal and they instead challenged, how things may have played out. To that point, the moment Cronulla accepted guilt, Essendon you feel was doomed. The AFL, one would suspect, needed its scapegoat to go down too. One way or another.

It's ultimately about the process. If you care about human rights, a fair trial and the right to protect your innocence, then there is plenty wrong and some people will simply not let it go, until the wrongs have been corrected.

ASADA and the NRL came out smelling like roses because they did the right thing.

The AFL came out covered in a stench because they thought they could undermine ASADA and let Essendon getting away with the largest scale doping in professional team sport anywhere in the world.

Yes. Try and find a professional team anywhere in the world in the last 2 decades that doped to the scale Essendon did.

Then come back and give us a chapter on why that doesnt matter.

BTW, WWE isnt a team sport.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Oh Bruce you racist old fool. ChipnPotato

https://www.change.org/p/senator-richard-di-natale-senator-nick-xenophon-senator-the-hon-christian-porter-inquiry-into-ethics-practices-of-asada-afl-wada-anti-doping-case-against-the-34-essendon-football-club-players/u/23803887

See when Mckenzie puts these ".." around words, that's when he's quoting.

You decrepit moron.

When Mckenzie wrote:



He's not suggesting that the actual text itself mentioned TB4 or the Bombers. The only bit he's suggesting was in the actual text was "cornerstone".

He's suggesting ... well, stating ... that the Thymosin being used was TB4 because Dank admitted to him on national television he gave the Bombers TB4.

I cannot believe people are this stupid.

Don't forget. Essendon fans were silly enough to hand over $60k to Hardie to write a book he has still yet to get around to writing.
This is the level of stupid you are facing when trying to explain anything to the hardcore 34 believers

 

[Art Corvelay]

Hopefully these “breakthroughs” happen every 12 months or so so the HUN can report it, always entertaining to see Essendon supporters try and defend this, and helpful reminder the team ran a PED program.

 

[DERO]

I have a contact at the National Crime Authority. They are far from innocent. End of story.

Has he ever had to shoot anyone?

 

[DERO]

Hopefully these “breakthroughs” happen every 12 months or so so the HUN can report it, always entertaining to see Essendon supporters try and defend this, and helpful reminder the team ran a PED program.

It is embarrassing. Some of us nuffies are trying to move on.

 

[kane249]

The treatment that Hird copped is similar to when a celebrity leaves the Church of Scientology not surprising that he tried to end his life.

So does this mean supporting Essendon is like being a Scientologist? Does this mean Dank is Xenu?

 

[ChipnPotato]

Mate, this is the most pointless argument. They were found guilty by WADA, the appeal was denied, the saga is over. There is no right of further appeal.

By the standard which applies to these cases they were found guilty and nothing will change that - it is a fact.

Their appeal was a joke. In a foreign court, where essentially they had signed away their right to introduce new evidence. Sorry you signed up to this, tough luck!

A senate enquiry or a Royal Commission may establish that ASADA acted in a corrupt fashion and the case should never have been presented to CAS in the first place. That would change the narrative.

 

[ChipnPotato]

ASADA and the NRL came out smelling like roses because they did the right thing.

The AFL came out covered in a stench because they thought they could undermine ASADA and let Essendon getting away with the largest scale doping in professional team sport anywhere in the world.

Yes. Try and find a professional team anywhere in the world in the last 2 decades that doped to the scale Essendon did.

Then come back and give us a chapter on why that doesnt matter.

BTW, WWE isnt a team sport.

Hmm.. find an example of a team or an individual who were suspended and found guilty purely on flaky circumstantial evidence. When there was no positive A or B sample, no player admission and no whistle blower. Just one..