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Turfy is a legend
Did anyone hear Mark Robinson's take on the whole jumps racing thing last week? It was Turf-esque gold.
Turfy is a legend
Did anyone hear Mark Robinson's take on the whole jumps racing thing last week? It was Turf-esque gold.
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http://www.au.nielsen.com/site/documents/Metro309.pdf
Its a very interesting survey. I'm sure 1-2 years back Doran was SEN's highest rating show.
He's now scoring a 2.3, which out of the 15 stations included, is 13th, beating only 3RN and News Radio.
Surely that's got to put some pressure on him, particularly being the footy season. KB, MG and TRH and Finey all had good improvements since last survey.
Errr, ratings out today. Individual shows on SEN: daylight second last, Snoran last
http://www.au.nielsen.com/site/documents/Metro309.pdf
Its a very interesting survey. I'm sure 1-2 years back Doran was SEN's highest rating show.
He's now scoring a 2.3, which out of the 15 stations included, is 13th, beating only 3RN and News Radio.
Surely that's got to put some pressure on him, particularly being the footy season. KB, MG and TRH and Finey all had good improvements since last survey.
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Put Turfy and Mark Allen on 12 hours a day - I like Pickers as well.
Put Turfy and Mark Allen on 12 hours a day - I like Pickers as well.
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pickers is ok, but if you were to play a drinking game whereby you take a shot (of whatever alcoholic beverage) each time he says "A graders" you'd drunk within 5 minutes.
pickers is ok, but if you were to play a drinking game whereby you take a shot (of whatever alcoholic beverage) each time he says "A graders" you'd drunk within 5 minutes.
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Harf is OK but Christ that ****ing idiot he does the Sunday morning show that gets excited every five minutes and says "Ripping" like he has got some sort of verbal tick [is it Richo?] should be taken out and shot like a Jump Racing Horse
Harf is OK but Christ that ****ing idiot he does the Sunday morning show that gets excited every five minutes and says "Ripping" like he has got some sort of verbal tick [is it Richo?] should be taken out and shot like a Jump Racing Horse
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Yep, Richo.
You've described him to a tee. He also uses the word "tremendous" every other 5 minutes.
Yep, Richo.
You've described him to a tee. He also uses the word "tremendous" every other 5 minutes.
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FWIW I don't like Mark Allen, boring pompous know it all golfer ...
The less SEN has crap on like Golf on that station the better ... Crap like Chasing birdies should really be on after midnight like the poker show.
FWIW I don't like Mark Allen, boring pompous know it all golfer ...
The less SEN has crap on like Golf on that station the better ... Crap like Chasing birdies should really be on after midnight like the poker show.
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Doran will say that he was away for 3 weeks during that ratings period.
Dr Turf is going to be on Morning Glory each Wednesday morning. He put Tim Watson back in his box perfectly today.
Doran will say that he was away for 3 weeks during that ratings period.
Dr Turf is going to be on Morning Glory each Wednesday morning. He put Tim Watson back in his box perfectly today.
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SEN need variety otherwise it gets boring talking about the same crap 24 hours a day. I understand golf isn't the most popular sport but I enjoy listening to Chasing Birdies. I like Mark Allen because he can laugh at himself. He seems to bounce of people well, especially with KB and Finey.
SEN need variety otherwise it gets boring talking about the same crap 24 hours a day. I understand golf isn't the most popular sport but I enjoy listening to Chasing Birdies. I like Mark Allen because he can laugh at himself. He seems to bounce of people well, especially with KB and Finey.
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Mark Allen exaggerates a lot when he makes an argument.
Mark Allen exaggerates a lot when he makes an argument.
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He pretends not to be, but it's all just for show so they don't seem too much like AFL Propaganda Radio. Fine plays the guerrilla broadcaster during the Final Siren show and this buys credibility for the station.
He pretends not to be, but it's all just for show so they don't seem too much like AFL Propaganda Radio. Fine plays the guerrilla broadcaster during the Final Siren show and this buys credibility for the station.
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SEN need more than just Mark Fine to have credibility. They are AFL propaganda radio now.
Mike Sheahan's article today and Sam Lane's articles make it obvious what happened. SEN is weak with no credibility.
SEN need more than just Mark Fine to have credibility. They are AFL propaganda radio now.
Mike Sheahan's article today and Sam Lane's articles make it obvious what happened. SEN is weak with no credibility.
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What's the deal with all the Finey bashing ? (I for one have never believed that he was once responsible for shafting Beva) His show is the least santisted and most 'open forum) out of all the shows on SEN IMHO.
What's the deal with all the Finey bashing ? (I for one have never believed that he was once responsible for shafting Beva) His show is the least santisted and most 'open forum) out of all the shows on SEN IMHO.
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Massive knobs - Andy Maher. Dr Turf. Mark Allen. Mark Doran. Harf. Francis Leach (the biggest knob of all) And that stupid tool on late at nigh, Steven Milne, fuc he annoys me, talks like a total spaz.
Best - Finney, Harps, Watson, Schaechi (sp) and I don’t mind Rita.
Best - Finney, Harps, Watson, Schaechi (sp) and I don’t mind Rita.
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I used to listen to it religiously when I lived in Melbourne, now I don't listen too much other than Finey when I can. The only people I enjoyed listening too over the years were Finey, Ed & Steve (not used enough), Mark Allan, Beva, Ox (I don't like Francis individually but he works well with Schwarz), BP (my favourite), and I really enjoyed Howard Leigh and Stephen J. Peak when they were on. Also like the guy who does team talk with Finey.
The only people I didn't enjoy were Doran, Milne and the Four Diegos (biggest mistake was not doing a serious football show).
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Bazzar, no SEN Best list is complete without Ed & Steve (they sound like conjoined twins
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Mark Robinson reveals he was pressured by SEN management
Mark Robinson | May 14, 2009 12:00am
THIS is all wrong. The sacking of Grant Thomas was for financial reasons, SEN say. But I don't think that is the whole truth. The AFL say they had nothing to do with Thomas's dismissal. But I don't think this is entirely the truth either.
Subtle pressure, or perceived pressure, was at play here. Or at least, that's what I think senior SEN officials must have believed.
My position?
I work at SEN and I'm paid for it. And I, too, felt this pressure from SEN management.
No, Thomas was sacked because his seemingly never-ending ridicule and questioning of umpires and the AFL, as well as his regular snide comments at chief executive Andrew Demetriou and football operations manager Adrian Anderson, annoyed the AFL.
Thomas has said they were never personal, instead, an attempt to uncover flaws in the system and the AFL.
Others believed he had a vendetta.
Despite denials from the AFL, SEN management, headed by station manager Barrie Quick and program director Mark Johnson, was aware that if the ridicule continued its "hand" in the discussions over the next radio broadcasting rights deal, which covers the 2010 and 2011 seasons, would apparently be near worthless.
Made aware by whom is the question.
Made aware to on-air staff is not the question.
I was told by Johnson at the station's season launch at Luke Darcy's pub in Richmond that the station's chances of securing the rights were close to nil.
Be delicate, were the words he used.
Thomas was also told that night.
I/we were also told, or asked, individually and together, to be careful when having on-air AFL debates as the rights discussions were taking place.
Thomas asked Johnson if he was being gagged, and Johnson said no. But Johnson told him to be careful with what he said.
The insinuation was absolute: don't bag the AFL for the hell of it.
I was reminded at least three times since.
Thomas was not the only angst for the AFL.
It is common knowledge SEN staffers were urged to curb their critique of the league.
And it wasn't only its on-air football talent that sometimes annoyed the AFL.
The AFL was said to be non-pleased that non-football programs on the 24-hour sports station - read soccer - frequently took free hits at the AFL, without recourse.
The AFL, quite rightly, wondered why the station should be given the mandate to call footy, the lifeblood of the sports station, when it got smashed every other hour.
A voice of the people more than any other radio network, it was often wondered in-house at SEN if the AFL appreciated the daily talkback extravaganza which didn't miss Demetriou or Anderson, umpires' boss Jeff Gieschen or the rules committee.
Not surprisingly, the AFL's media headkickers - or monitors if you wish - would often text on-air staff and producers, clearly outraged at what had just been said.
The gist was along the lines: That's rubbish. Take him off. Pull your heads in.
The most recent, to my knowledge, occurred last Wednesday when Sam Newman was a guest on the Morning Glory program. Newman, among other issues, urged the people to keep the pressure on the umpires.
Minutes later, host Andy Maher received a text message from the AFL.
The message: Umpire bashing again is not really constructive, or words to that effect.
An inflammatory, controversial and perhaps arrogant commentator, Thomas was SEN's agent provocateur.
He called games on Friday night with Collingwood president Eddie McGuire, among others, and McGuire was never one to discourage Thomas's gunslinger style.
Indeed, McGuire is never one to back down from a fight, or in fact the whiff of one.
On Saturday mornings, on the award-winning Crunch Time program, Thomas, when he thought it was deserved, savaged umpires and the AFL.
He didn't miss players, either. Ask Josh Fraser and Matthew Pavlich. Or coaches. Ask Mark Harvey.
Since the season-opening bash, attended by all the on-air personalities, including Kevin Bartlett, David Schwarz, Francis Leach, Billy Brownless and McGuire, the lingering message was, please, to avoid going too hard on the AFL.
It came to a head last week.
I was told on Friday by a senior on-air staff member that the rights talks were delicate - that word again - so be careful what I said.
Thomas learnt of the mandate about 15 minutes before we began the Crunch Time program last Saturday morning.
As is his wont, Thomas was uppity about the news and when the program began at 11am, he began by congratulating Demetriou, Anderson and Gieschen for their efforts.
To say it was sarcastic was an understatement.
Colleague Mike Sheahan suggested in yesterday's newspaper: "It seems to be the straw that broke the camel's back."
He added: "Hopefully, that straw doesn't carry AFL fingerprints."
Demetriou, when appearing on Fox Sports' On The Couch on Monday night, was angry the AFL had been implicated in Thomas's sacking.
"I've been watching this commentary for the past 24 hours and besides the fact that I find all of this commentary offensive, it's just complete drivel, it's absolute drivel," Demetriou said.
"We have had no involvement whatsoever, not one conversation with anyone that relates to Grant Thomas's employment with SEN and nor should we.
"I sat with an SEN board member last night who explained to me that this was a financial decision, the same comment that I heard Grant Thomas make in fairness last night on Footy Classified.
"They (Thomas's comments on the weekend) mean absolutely nothing. I mean, honestly, if we took umbrage at all the comments that were made and critical of the AFL and we sought to intervene because of that, there would be nobody covering football."
'Mean nothing' is an interesting observation, for the AFL requested a transcript of Thomas's comments made on Saturday.
What they did with them only the AFL knows.
At SEN, Quick and Johnson were said to be furious about Thomas's attitude.
On Monday, Thomas was told he was terminated.
The issues remain:
DID SEN jump at shadows to avoid conflict with the AFL?
DID Thomas push his often anti-AFL views too far and, indeed
CAN the AFL's pursuit of brand management be interpreted as pressure on radio rightsholders, in this case SEN?
It has to be remembered the AFL, a powerful body in this town, is a SEN shareholder under an agreement struck up at the end of 2006.
It was reported at the time, the AFL was given access to share options.
Talking money, it also has to be remembered that Thomas has been paid out despite assurances the decision was solely a "financial" one.
It can only be a financial decision if SEN believed getting the AFL rights would help it financially, and to do that they had to sack Thomas.
For what it's worth, I have worked at SEN since day one, with Mark Doran, the Ox, Huddo, Francis, Derm and, of course, Thommo, and many others.
And during times when no one at the station was being paid.
It makes an outstanding contribution to AFL and to the people, but being a fish finger in an ocean of big fish it can make life difficult.
Mark Robinson works as a footy commentator at SEN.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25476452-19742,00.html
Mark Robinson | May 14, 2009 12:00am
THIS is all wrong. The sacking of Grant Thomas was for financial reasons, SEN say. But I don't think that is the whole truth. The AFL say they had nothing to do with Thomas's dismissal. But I don't think this is entirely the truth either.
Subtle pressure, or perceived pressure, was at play here. Or at least, that's what I think senior SEN officials must have believed.
My position?
I work at SEN and I'm paid for it. And I, too, felt this pressure from SEN management.
No, Thomas was sacked because his seemingly never-ending ridicule and questioning of umpires and the AFL, as well as his regular snide comments at chief executive Andrew Demetriou and football operations manager Adrian Anderson, annoyed the AFL.
Thomas has said they were never personal, instead, an attempt to uncover flaws in the system and the AFL.
Others believed he had a vendetta.
Despite denials from the AFL, SEN management, headed by station manager Barrie Quick and program director Mark Johnson, was aware that if the ridicule continued its "hand" in the discussions over the next radio broadcasting rights deal, which covers the 2010 and 2011 seasons, would apparently be near worthless.
Made aware by whom is the question.
Made aware to on-air staff is not the question.
I was told by Johnson at the station's season launch at Luke Darcy's pub in Richmond that the station's chances of securing the rights were close to nil.
Be delicate, were the words he used.
Thomas was also told that night.
I/we were also told, or asked, individually and together, to be careful when having on-air AFL debates as the rights discussions were taking place.
Thomas asked Johnson if he was being gagged, and Johnson said no. But Johnson told him to be careful with what he said.
The insinuation was absolute: don't bag the AFL for the hell of it.
I was reminded at least three times since.
Thomas was not the only angst for the AFL.
It is common knowledge SEN staffers were urged to curb their critique of the league.
And it wasn't only its on-air football talent that sometimes annoyed the AFL.
The AFL was said to be non-pleased that non-football programs on the 24-hour sports station - read soccer - frequently took free hits at the AFL, without recourse.
The AFL, quite rightly, wondered why the station should be given the mandate to call footy, the lifeblood of the sports station, when it got smashed every other hour.
A voice of the people more than any other radio network, it was often wondered in-house at SEN if the AFL appreciated the daily talkback extravaganza which didn't miss Demetriou or Anderson, umpires' boss Jeff Gieschen or the rules committee.
Not surprisingly, the AFL's media headkickers - or monitors if you wish - would often text on-air staff and producers, clearly outraged at what had just been said.
The gist was along the lines: That's rubbish. Take him off. Pull your heads in.
The most recent, to my knowledge, occurred last Wednesday when Sam Newman was a guest on the Morning Glory program. Newman, among other issues, urged the people to keep the pressure on the umpires.
Minutes later, host Andy Maher received a text message from the AFL.
The message: Umpire bashing again is not really constructive, or words to that effect.
An inflammatory, controversial and perhaps arrogant commentator, Thomas was SEN's agent provocateur.
He called games on Friday night with Collingwood president Eddie McGuire, among others, and McGuire was never one to discourage Thomas's gunslinger style.
Indeed, McGuire is never one to back down from a fight, or in fact the whiff of one.
On Saturday mornings, on the award-winning Crunch Time program, Thomas, when he thought it was deserved, savaged umpires and the AFL.
He didn't miss players, either. Ask Josh Fraser and Matthew Pavlich. Or coaches. Ask Mark Harvey.
Since the season-opening bash, attended by all the on-air personalities, including Kevin Bartlett, David Schwarz, Francis Leach, Billy Brownless and McGuire, the lingering message was, please, to avoid going too hard on the AFL.
It came to a head last week.
I was told on Friday by a senior on-air staff member that the rights talks were delicate - that word again - so be careful what I said.
Thomas learnt of the mandate about 15 minutes before we began the Crunch Time program last Saturday morning.
As is his wont, Thomas was uppity about the news and when the program began at 11am, he began by congratulating Demetriou, Anderson and Gieschen for their efforts.
To say it was sarcastic was an understatement.
Colleague Mike Sheahan suggested in yesterday's newspaper: "It seems to be the straw that broke the camel's back."
He added: "Hopefully, that straw doesn't carry AFL fingerprints."
Demetriou, when appearing on Fox Sports' On The Couch on Monday night, was angry the AFL had been implicated in Thomas's sacking.
"I've been watching this commentary for the past 24 hours and besides the fact that I find all of this commentary offensive, it's just complete drivel, it's absolute drivel," Demetriou said.
"We have had no involvement whatsoever, not one conversation with anyone that relates to Grant Thomas's employment with SEN and nor should we.
"I sat with an SEN board member last night who explained to me that this was a financial decision, the same comment that I heard Grant Thomas make in fairness last night on Footy Classified.
"They (Thomas's comments on the weekend) mean absolutely nothing. I mean, honestly, if we took umbrage at all the comments that were made and critical of the AFL and we sought to intervene because of that, there would be nobody covering football."
'Mean nothing' is an interesting observation, for the AFL requested a transcript of Thomas's comments made on Saturday.
What they did with them only the AFL knows.
At SEN, Quick and Johnson were said to be furious about Thomas's attitude.
On Monday, Thomas was told he was terminated.
The issues remain:
DID SEN jump at shadows to avoid conflict with the AFL?
DID Thomas push his often anti-AFL views too far and, indeed
CAN the AFL's pursuit of brand management be interpreted as pressure on radio rightsholders, in this case SEN?
It has to be remembered the AFL, a powerful body in this town, is a SEN shareholder under an agreement struck up at the end of 2006.
It was reported at the time, the AFL was given access to share options.
Talking money, it also has to be remembered that Thomas has been paid out despite assurances the decision was solely a "financial" one.
It can only be a financial decision if SEN believed getting the AFL rights would help it financially, and to do that they had to sack Thomas.
For what it's worth, I have worked at SEN since day one, with Mark Doran, the Ox, Huddo, Francis, Derm and, of course, Thommo, and many others.
And during times when no one at the station was being paid.
It makes an outstanding contribution to AFL and to the people, but being a fish finger in an ocean of big fish it can make life difficult.
Mark Robinson works as a footy commentator at SEN.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25476452-19742,00.html
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MBP - that article means nothing.
The AFL have consistently denied that they have ever pressured SEN into what they can and cannot say. Executives from other radio stations have all denied that the AFL has ever interfered with what they can talk about. Andrew Demetriou has said he believes vehmently in the freedom of the press and is horrified at the suggestion that he got Grant Thomas sacked.
This is all about the paranoia from SEN execs.
How can the AFL control how they think ?
They can't.
Direct your anger there - not at the AFL.
Its nothing to do with them.
Why having a go at me, I didn't even give my opinion?
I didn't believe Rubbo's original story on this, but relished the innuendo because I despise the AFL's attacks on freedom of speech.
I also think Rubbo is arrogant and I think its funny he was given a double page spread to help support his flimsy case.
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I don't understand why people think the AFL is against freedom of speech. They cop it from every media outlet almost every day of the week - a lot of it is deserved too.
Don't know what Robbo is trying to achieve here. He is good mates with Thomas (no disclaimer in his article I notice) so anything he says is going to be tainted.
Interesting article from Fpatprick today in the Oz. Says he works 3 hours a week at SEN and has never once been approached by SEN to temper his comments on anything. And if he was told, he would resign.
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