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Sift through the Canon posting history and you will find many posts on the Federer vs Nadal debate. Many with a pro-Federer slant.

However, with that 4 set win there can be no doubt Rafael Nadal belongs with the greats. Whilst his game is not as aesthetically pleasing to the eye it is brutal, effective and virtually impossible to breakdown if he is fit.

His record against Federer, whilst favoured by a number of wins on Clay, is first rate. His record in Grand Slam Finals is elite and now that he has managed to last the whole season, winning 3 grand slams, he is without doubt the best player in world.

Whilst Federer probably has 2-3 left in him maximum, Nadal, if he stays fit, could win another 8 - 10 leaving them both with close to 20.

Lets sit back and say that we witnessed arguably the two greatest players ever in their prime.

Rafael Nadal ... :thumbsu:
 
I don't actually see where Federer is gonna win another 2 or 3 GS.

He's clearly not going to win another French Open and I'd say Wimbledon is doubtful as Nadal has clearly passed him on grass and he couldn't get through his QF this year.

The hardcourts give him his best chance but he couldn't even get past ND this year let alone Nadal at the US.

His best bet is to try to come out in peak form for the start of the season and get a jump on everyone in Australia.....oh hold on that's what he did this year.
 
Dipper said:
I don't actually see where Federer is gonna win another 2 or 3 GS.

He's clearly not going to win another French Open and I'd say Wimbledon is doubtful as Nadal has clearly passed him on grass and he couldn't get through his QF this year.

The hardcourts give him his best chance but he couldn't even get past ND this year let alone Nadal at the US.

His best bet is to try to come out in peak form for the start of the season and get a jump on everyone in Australia.....oh hold on that's what he did this year.
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i got flamed for this before but i will say it...he can still win a slam if he gets lucky with the draw a bit.He will not beat the likes of nole, rafa or murray to win a slam ever again.
 

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Total Power said:
i got flamed for this before but i will say it...he can still win a slam if he gets lucky with the draw a bit.He will not beat the likes of nole, rafa or murray to win a slam ever again.
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Not so sure with this. No doubting Nole had a fantastic US Open but can he play up to this level on a conistent basis? There's always an element of doubt whether he has the heart and fitness to tough it out. If he plays like what he did during the US Open, then yeah, he's going to beat Fed more often than not. But then again, Fed's first serve was terrible against Novak and he always looked in trouble on serve. Fed also did have two match points as well.

Murray had a disappointing US Open, losing in the 3rd round. His worst result for a slam this year. I had high hopes for him after losing to a red-hot Fed at the Aus Open. Not entirely convinced yet.

Rafa on the other hand.......I can't see him losing to Fed unless he's injured.
 
CanonNo1 said:
Lets not rewrite history. Never said Rafa wasn't a great ... I merely agreed that Federer is greater.
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ffs mate his 24...you want him to win 14 slams when he is 24 or what? at this age fed only won 6 slams and no career slam as well.If injuries dont get in the way, rafa is on his way to be the GOAT.
 
TimeIsRunningOut said:
Grand slams won on each surface.
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who cares? its the number of slams that matters.No one sees that Borg won half of his slams on claytoo but he is an alltime great too.Funny you would rather give preference to hardcourt or grass rather than clay :rolleyes: get over it...how many did he win when he was 24...that is the most important stat at this time
 
I would like to ask you this: you think his peak was 2006 or in 2005- but he was still unable to have a winning record against rafa when rafa was merely a teenager and dont bring st kilda or essendon in here.Doug Flach is 2-0 against agassi, but i am sure if he played him 20 times it would be in favour of agassi.It was just that he caught him on bad days.Federer was unable to beat rafa comprehensive anywhere regardless of the surface.

His dominance came to an end with rafa rise to power.No coincidence.I stick to the point that he hasnt beaten anyone on their prime.I still see federers balls shrink when someone mounts a challenge or can match him shot by shot or can breakdown his backhand by pounding onto his backhandside.

The bottomline is, Fed was dominant in a transition period where the king was hewitt/roddick/ferrero/safin.Now we see a new generation of stars coming up and its no coincidence that fed is decline.Not because he is getting old but his generation is just better.
 

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Nadal has 9 slams while Federer had 6 at this point of his career. However at this point Federer won 10 of the next 17 slams.

According to my maths Nadal has to win 8 of the next 17 slams to stay ahead of Federer at the same point of there careers.

It's a tough ask because to finish ahead of Fed in slams it will take him roughly 4 more years to win 10 slams at this rate(this is assuming Fed wins 2 more before he retires)

Nadal's main opponent here is his body. He will need to last till 28 or 29.
 
KaaN10 said:
Nadal has 9 slams while Federer had 6 at this point of his career. However at this point Federer won 10 of the next 17 slams.

According to my maths Nadal has to win 8 of the next 17 slams to stay ahead of Federer at the same point of there careers.

It's a tough ask because to finish ahead of Fed in slams it will take him roughly 4 more years to win 10 slams at this rate(this is assuming Fed wins 2 more before he retires)

Nadal's main opponent here is his body. He will need to last till 28 or 29.
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and a better generation.Surely you would give more marks to Del Potro, Djokovic, Federer, Murray than Hewitt ,Safin, Davydenko, Roddick??
 
TimeIsRunningOut said:
Hewitt > Murray

Safin > Del Potro, Soderling & Berdych

Roddick > Djokovic
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lol you are getting a bit desperate now arent you?

Both hewitt and roddick were finished by the time they were 25.Hewitt is a poor mans rafa...has no big weapons and was lucky to win by beating schalken and nalbandian who was a newbie back then.Del potro on the otherhand won a slam by beating rafa and roger (who was the last one to do that?)

djokovic the same.He is 23 and was vastly injured last year.Has lots of years and firepower with him to prove you wrong.Hewitt on the otherhand is different.

Safin...lol@that.You know you could have beaten safin on somedays.Safin is a case of what "could have been" rather than what "is" .A wasted talented, just like Rios
 
I don't see how Del Potro/Murray/Djokovic/Soderling are any better than the likes of Safin/Roddick/Hewitt/Nalbandian. Not yet anyway.

You also keep saying Federer beat Nadal in slams when Nadal hadn't peaked. What you're forgetting is Nadal has always been in peak form since his first Rolland Garros.

Basically Federer won 2 slam finals against Nadal while Nadal beat Federer in 4 finals and 1 semi final!

I don't understand why you say Nadal had to put up with a peak Federer when Nadal being around has caused Fed 5 Rolland Garros opposed to 2 Wimbledons for Nadal.
 

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KaaN10 said:
I don't see how Del Potro/Murray/Djokovic/Soderling are any better than the likes of Safin/Roddick/Hewitt/Nalbandian. Not yet anyway.

You also keep saying Federer beat Nadal in slams when Nadal hadn't peaked. What you're forgetting is Nadal has always been in peak form since his first Rolland Garros.

Basically Federer won 2 slam finals against Nadal while Nadal beat Federer in 4 finals and 1 semi final!

I don't understand why you say Nadal had to put up with a peak Federer when Nadal being around has caused Fed 5 Rolland Garros opposed to 2 Wimbledons for Nadal.
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Delpo is 21..murray and Nole are 23.I never mentioned Soderling.

They have a combined total of 2 slams, in an era dominated by Federer and Nadal and are still young in tennis terms.

Roddick and Hewitt on the other hand inherited the weakest generation in the open era after Pistol Pete retired.Who was there to challenge them? from 2002-2004? No one.So they won 5 slams amongst themselves.Where are they now? Hewitt and roddick has been consistently owned by rafa and roger.
 
Total Power said:
I also cannot believe you can say safin > delpo. The guy has immense consistency and firepower more than Safin.Have you seen anyone destroy rafa like he did? please answer.
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Who knows if he'll go on with it? That tournament could end up being labeled a fluke. His results following it have been pretty laughable + he has to find his feet after a serious injury.
 
TimeIsRunningOut said:
Who knows if he'll go on with it? That tournament could end up being labeled a fluke. His results following it have been pretty laughable + he has to find his feet after a serious injury.
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thats an assumption, you have no evidence to prove that he will go safins way. He has played 1 year at the top level and has shown he can beat rafa and roger in the same tournament.So far so good.If he doesnt find his feet (i hope he doesnt lol) then rafa can win a lot more slams :D
 
Dipper said:
I don't actually see where Federer is gonna win another 2 or 3 GS.

He's clearly not going to win another French Open and I'd say Wimbledon is doubtful as Nadal has clearly passed him on grass and he couldn't get through his QF this year.

The hardcourts give him his best chance but he couldn't even get past ND this year let alone Nadal at the US.

His best bet is to try to come out in peak form for the start of the season and get a jump on everyone in Australia.....oh hold on that's what he did this year.
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You make it sound like Novak Djokovic is a scrub. Novak is a heck of a player, and it took his best tennis to beat Federer who really, didn't play anywhere near what he is capable of.

Total Power said:
and a better generation.Surely you would give more marks to Del Potro, Djokovic, Federer, Murray than Hewitt ,Safin, Davydenko, Roddick??
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With Federer in the equation then yes I would. But Lleyton Hewitt in his prime was a heck of a player, as was Roddick who if you remember in 2003 won in Montreal, Cincinnati and then the US Open as well. He also beat Federer in Montreal which got him the World No. 1 ranking over Federer. As for Safin, whilst he is a case of what could have been, he still won two Grand Slams, and that's something you cannot take away from him.
 
NERDY said:
With Federer in the equation then yes I would. But Lleyton Hewitt in his prime was a heck of a player, as was Roddick who if you remember in 2003 won in Montreal, Cincinnati and then the US Open as well. He also beat Federer in Montreal which got him the World No. 1 ranking over Federer. As for Safin, whilst he is a case of what could have been, he still won two Grand Slams, and that's something you cannot take away from him.
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Yeah roddick had 1 good year, i give you that.But look at his h2h against federer, its embarassing.Hewitt was one heck of a player like Chang and suffered the same fate Chang did.He had no weapons and got burned out.He would have been no match in front of Federer or Nadal back in 2001 anyway.

Even if you dont take federer or nadal into consideration, please tell me you dont believe that a peak Del Potro or Djokovic will not be able to beat a roddick or a hewitt at their peak as well?? del potro at his peak is capable of destroying everyone and he is not a mental case like safin
 
Roddick would have at least 7 slams to his name if he didn't have possibly the greatest player of all time on the other side of the net at his peak. He had one of the best serves the game has ever seen and a brutal forehand that could crack winners back then. It's ridiculous to talk about him like he was rubbish.
 

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