Time to Start Tanking

[tugga]

CoggaRules makes a very, very good point, and it's one I've been harping on about myself for a while now.
Why do North struggle to attract supporters (and I'm not talking about the fairweather fans who bought memberships this year and won't renew in 2009)? They came into the VFL late and missed a whole generation of supporters. Same goes for the Dogs.
Do the math people. We have been rubbish for a whole generation now and time is nearly up, because we're running to catch the next bus, but the bus is just about closing it's door and hurrying on to the next stop.
My kids support Richmond, but are so apathetic about it, I seriously believe they will start barracking for Geelong within the next couple of years. And really, there won't be a damn thing I can do about it.
The primary school has a regular footy dress-up day. My 7-year-old puts on her Tigers T-shirt in a Geelong-mad town and you can tell what happens in the playground hey?
Most fanatical Richmond supporters are in the 30 to 55 year old age group. It's in our blood. We can't help it.
But the kids will end up following other kids.
Time has just about run out. I shudder to think what will happen if we are still near the bottom in three years time, because that's about the time we have left.
The clock is ticking very fast.

 

[dean33]

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR (FFFFF I'm still pissed even though a few days have passed now just can't seem to get over this loss). If we can't beat a second rate team like the Kangaroos we might as well start FFF$%&^#%^& tanking. Fair dinkum the only blokes who I rate for the Roos are Harvey and Wells and the rest of them are crap so what does that say about our list. FFS we make a mediocre player like Corey "FFFFF&^&^^GFSGHSFH" Jones look like a star. I'm not sure who the Roos play this week, but I bet he doesn't get a kick.

Just had a look at our draw and if we would have beaten the Kanga's I would have been confident beating collingwood. But now all of a sudden we're on the backfoot and most likely lose. The draw for the next few weeks after that is Fremantle, Geelong ST Kilda, Sydney etc. So after round 8-9 we'll most likely have 1 or 2 wins.
Lets do a Carlton and get the extra priority pick and pick up Daniel Rich and Netenyanu (or a Key Position player), and hopefully someone the calibre of Mathew Egan slips through to the pre-season draft this time around. otherwise at best we'll end up with about 6 or 7 wins max. Go for the 4 wins and get a priority pick. Then get rid of Terry (and Miller). Sorry fella's ya had my full support up until now, but they've both had long enough to leave their imprint on the club and it has'nt been a positive imprint. Enough.

this team finished 3rd last year, we finished 16th. how are they 2nd rate and why are we supposed to beat them?? lets not fall for blues supporters trap of thinking we are better then we are. we are coming from a long way back....

 

[Punt Road Feral]

CoggaRules makes a very, very good point, and it's one I've been harping on about myself for a while now.
Why do North struggle to attract supporters (and I'm not talking about the fairweather fans who bought memberships this year and won't renew in 2009)? They came into the VFL late and missed a whole generation of supporters. Same goes for the Dogs.
Do the math people. We have been rubbish for a whole generation now and time is nearly up, because we're running to catch the next bus, but the bus is just about closing it's door and hurrying on to the next stop.
My kids support Richmond, but are so apathetic about it, I seriously believe they will start barracking for Geelong within the next couple of years. And really, there won't be a damn thing I can do about it.
The primary school has a regular footy dress-up day. My 7-year-old puts on her Tigers T-shirt in a Geelong-mad town and you can tell what happens in the playground hey?
Most fanatical Richmond supporters are in the 30 to 55 year old age group. It's in our blood. We can't help it.
But the kids will end up following other kids.
Time has just about run out. I shudder to think what will happen if we are still near the bottom in three years time, because that's about the time we have left.
The clock is ticking very fast.

Just don't take them to a game unless it involves Richmond playing.
If i ever changed teams when i was younger my old man just said he would never take me to a game. That made me a tiger for life

 

[JSFish]

That my fine feathered friend actually means that we are completely rat shit, when compared to the blues why? because they tanked, they actually wanted to lose, ie we didnt want to but we did.

Firstly, how come every sentence you have to end with an abusive word. Just calm the ____ down buddy.

I'm just gonna throw this out there, because a lot of people seem to think Carlton were 'tanking' last year. Regardless of whether or not they were, do you honestly think they had the option of winning??

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

Just don't take them to a game unless it involves Richmond playing.
If i ever changed teams when i was younger my old man just said he would never take me to a game. That made me a tiger for life

Exactly , its that easy isn't it PRF. We have plenty of kids coming through as supporters and if we haven't these guys are suggesting we tank now and lose the 30'000 members and 200'000 supporters we have now in order to get 5 year olds to follow Richmond are missing the point.

These five year olds would want to be Bransons kids to keep this club going if we went down that road.

As for Coggarules , relax man , go eat an ice cream , maybe go for a walk on the beach , maybe read a book , you could even use the internet for its original use and go rubb one out.

Just stop flipping around forums abusing any poor bugger that makes a comment you don't agree with. eg. You believe we should Tank and you believe we should sack Wallace. Get over it why don't you write a strongly worded letter to the club and stop boring all of us.

 

[CoggaRules]

Exactly , its that easy isn't it PRF. We have plenty of kids coming through as supporters and if we haven't these guys are suggesting we tank now and lose the 30'000 members and 200'000 supporters we have now in order to get 5 year olds to follow Richmond are missing the point.

These five year olds would want to be Bransons kids to keep this club going if we went down that road.

As for Coggarules , relax man , go eat an ice cream , maybe go for a walk on the beach , maybe read a book , you could even use the internet for its original use and go rubb one out.

Just stop flipping around forums abusing any poor bugger that makes a comment you don't agree with. eg. You believe we should Tank and you believe we should sack Wallace. Get over it why don't you write a strongly worded letter to the club and stop boring all of us.

I believe we need tall talent.
Dont care how we get it, we have to get it and fast, whatever it takes.
We need a kid to come in and do a buddy. Because you can dream until the cows come home, but we aint going to get a star out of the Steamer or Patto. Two plodders who will make up numbers. Now how do you suppose we can get this star KP? go on, give us your take dude?
If the kid has talent then they have talent, when they do have talent they tend to more than likely become match winning, turnstile turning, membership buting types of players. Now again i will ask you, who from the current crew is going to do that? deledio? on his own? no, Browny and Richo? they are on the other end of careers. SO who dude? the sarge?, or are you hanging on a Putt or something? Keep sleeping, you aint got a clue have you?

You are one of those that hopes that things just turn around and all of a sudden, Steamer starts twisting and turning on a flank, baulk a player and snap a goal like buddy correct? that one day steamer will have the footy world and even the non footy world taking about him like buddy correct?

Get real will you...you live in the past man...you still hold on to this ruthless tiger shit that we were used to dont you?

dude, i abuse when i am abused....and believe me i regard you as a simpleton. Explain to us what this inane comment is suppose to mean:

" We have plenty of kids coming through as supporters and if we haven't these guys are suggesting we tank now and lose the 30'000 members and 200'000 supporters we have now in order to get 5 year olds to follow Richmond are missing the point."

The above paragraph should be put into the hall of fame, it says J.Shit.

Its not the 5 yolds that are the problem. they will go with mummy and daddy to wherever they go, as long as its footy. Its when they get to 14 and 15 and have had enough of the same shit that is when not only might they change teams, they are more likely to just not go to the footy and find other things to do that that age group does. then when they get to 19 or 20, footy to them is a couple of big games a year, if that, just for a day or night out. When the club says we need memebers, it doesnt even register. Now like i said, talk to those who think like you...you have the whole deal down pat...

 

[ToroHombre]

Why the hell would we want to copy Carlton anyway? premiers2009, you should get a red card for even suggesting we tank.

 

[tugga]

Exactly , its that easy isn't it PRF. We have plenty of kids coming through as supporters and if we haven't these guys are suggesting we tank now and lose the 30'000 members and 200'000 supporters we have now in order to get 5 year olds to follow Richmond are missing the point.

These five year olds would want to be Bransons kids to keep this club going if we went down that road.

As for Coggarules , relax man , go eat an ice cream , maybe go for a walk on the beach , maybe read a book , you could even use the internet for its original use and go rubb one out.

Just stop flipping around forums abusing any poor bugger that makes a comment you don't agree with. eg. You believe we should Tank and you believe we should sack Wallace. Get over it why don't you write a strongly worded letter to the club and stop boring all of us.

It's not the five-year-olds that are the problem.
It's when they get a mind of their own and can put two and two together and come up with four.

 

[JSFish]

I would've thought it would be the five year olds who are more susceptible to changing teams. At 5, you don't really care about your team, and often young kids will change to support the team that's doing well at the time. As you get older you become more loyal to the club and generally aren't going to change teams after the age of 9 or 10.

 

[surpstar]

well it looks like Terry is looking at his own interests post 09 already.

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

I believe we need tall talent.
Dont care how we get it, we have to get it and fast, whatever it takes.
We need a kid to come in and do a buddy. Because you can dream until the cows come home, but we aint going to get a star out of the Steamer or Patto. Two plodders who will make up numbers. Now how do you suppose we can get this star KP? go on, give us your take dude?
If the kid has talent then they have talent, when they do have talent they tend to more than likely become match winning, turnstile turning, membership buting types of players. Now again i will ask you, who from the current crew is going to do that? deledio? on his own? no, Browny and Richo? they are on the other end of careers. SO who dude? the sarge?, or are you hanging on a Putt or something? Keep sleeping, you aint got a clue have you?

You are one of those that hopes that things just turn around and all of a sudden, Steamer starts twisting and turning on a flank, baulk a player and snap a goal like buddy correct? that one day steamer will have the footy world and even the non footy world taking about him like buddy correct?

Get real will you...you live in the past man...you still hold on to this ruthless tiger shit that we were used to dont you?

dude, i abuse when i am abused....and believe me i regard you as a simpleton. Explain to us what this inane comment is suppose to mean:

" We have plenty of kids coming through as supporters and if we haven't these guys are suggesting we tank now and lose the 30'000 members and 200'000 supporters we have now in order to get 5 year olds to follow Richmond are missing the point."

The above paragraph should be put into the hall of fame, it says J.Shit.

Its not the 5 yolds that are the problem. they will go with mummy and daddy to wherever they go, as long as its footy. Its when they get to 14 and 15 and have had enough of the same shit that is when not only might they change teams, they are more likely to just not go to the footy and find other things to do that that age group does. then when they get to 19 or 20, footy to them is a couple of big games a year, if that, just for a day or night out. When the club says we need memebers, it doesnt even register. Now like i said, talk to those who think like you...you have the whole deal down pat...

You got nothing Cogga , 13 & 14 year olds don't change teams do you ever see AFL clinics at high schools. Are you a ****** , I regard you as the biggest simpleton of all time.

To spell out the above high lighted point. If we tank we will lose the majority of our menbers , alot of those who take the kids to watch the games , buy them a scarf to wave around when we do win (which you state is for simpletons) and buy them jumpers , t shirts and hats etc. That means revenue.

Your a prize goose my friend and tanking gets you know where. The only thing I agree with you on is that we need more KPP's and I'm sure Miller and co will be onto that.

If your in love with Buddy Franklin go watch the Hawks play. I myself go to watch our whole team play as I'm sure others do.

Yours is a quick fix , Frawley tried it, didn't work. Carlton are trying it, its not working and the best example of a team that hasn't tried it are the Hawkes and they are your example of success.

Clubs are built on Culture and other than eating the occassional Pizza Cogga you've got none of it.

 

[sante]

We need a kid to come in and do a buddy.

That sentence alone tells me you have little to no clue at all. How often does a player come along and dominate from pretty much their first year?

 

[CoggaRules]

You got nothing Cogga , 13 & 14 year olds don't change teams do you ever see AFL clinics at high schools. Are you a ****** , I regard you as the biggest simpleton of all time.

To spell out the above high lighted point. If we tank we will lose the majority of our menbers , alot of those who take the kids to watch the games , buy them a scarf to wave around when we do win (which you state is for simpletons) and buy them jumpers , t shirts and hats etc. That means revenue.

Your a prize goose my friend and tanking gets you know where. The only thing I agree with you on is that we need more KPP's and I'm sure Miller and co will be onto that.

If your in love with Buddy Franklin go watch the Hawks play. I myself go to watch our whole team play as I'm sure others do.

Yours is a quick fix , Frawley tried it, didn't work. Carlton are trying it, its not working and the best example of a team that hasn't tried it are the Hawkes and they are your example of success.

Clubs are built on Culture and other than eating the occassional Pizza Cogga you've got none of it.

dude, lets just say this about how feeble your brain is.

Look at AFL clinics at high schools? LMAO....man, you have to be the most ridiculously stupid, simple minded stooge that walked the planet.

How many kids are there in this state dude? How many of those attend an AFL clinic at high school dude? How many of the ones that dont attend an AFL clinic follow and watch footy?
Biut the muppet suggests that oh, kids dont change teams, because he sees them at AFL clinics....what a moron.
Man, i get it, you are one of those poor bastards that get a gig on Today tonight, because they had one slipped into their arse by a fast talking salesman and cry i was duped. Even though they thought they were going to be millionaires overnight.
Clubs are built on culture? yeah who says they arent, that isnt what the debate is about, its about we need top players, what the ____ are you on about?

As for your stupidity riddled line about me wanting a quick fix like Spud....so to your stupidity riddled brain, after 4 years of nothing, while we have been rebuilding, me calling for another one or two of nothing so we can have the complete compliment of nessecary cattle to rebuild the team correctly into a force in 3 or 4 years, is a quick fix correct? You fool.

I mean this is how simple a fool you are. You really believe that we really didnt want to finish where we finished last year....but because Libba ame out and said the blues did this and did that, they are tankers and we were triers correct? How stupid can you get, it was blatanlty obvious by the team selections, ie the same error riddled players, who have been there from the days of Spud that TW knew he only had to keep selecting them and job done, fool. ____ing wake up to yourself, you are an inditement on human intellligence.

 

[tony_montana]

once simmonds, Richo, Brown go and lets face it they are either 30 or on the wrong side of 30 that takes away most of what little class we have in our squad atm. We are going to be in the sh.its for a while yet!! unless dud players like JON, Casserley, Moore, Hughes, White produce more than what we could realistically hope for.

Not holding my breath.

Thats where the Hawks did so much better than us, I saw an astute poster in another thread (Haggard)say whilst we've had 11 1st & 2nd round draft picks in Wallaces time, the hawks have had 20, thats a huge difference, we should have offloaded Gaspar, we should have offloaded Bowden we could have gotten an extra 2 or 3 top 25 picks there. We didnt bc "we couldnt afford to bottom out some more" well stuff me, I'd have rathered that than look forward to another 4 years of crap bc thats whats going to happen now

As soon as our young crop start arriving in a big way our 3 best players Richo, Brown and Simmonds will be gone, then we have to wait for some new quality youngsters to emerge - more pain to come after that...... shouldve bitten the bullet and gone harder 4 years ago, we'd be closer to reaping the rewards now..

 

[JSFish]

Hey CoggaRules dude, just because someone doesnt agree with you man, doesnt mean that they are a full inditement on human intelligence you muppet dude man.

 

[CoggaRules]

Hey CoggaRules dude, just because someone doesnt agree with you man, doesnt mean that they are a full inditement on human intelligence you muppet dude man.

man, just because someone doesnt agree with me isnt the problem. Its when the give us the goss on why they dont, that suggests they are just like you.

Like, children dont change teams because if you look at AFL clinics? LMAO....get the ____ outta here will ya....thats the lamest piece of shit this side of the black stump.. Furthermore, kids changing teams was only part of the debate. I suggested , the kids when they become teenagers that were railroaded into following dads side, ie "dont take them to the footy if they dont follow the tiges", as was suggested by another luminary muppet, who also lives in the past, tend to just give it away and only make a couple of trips to the footy for a day or night out. Yeah when they are asked who they follow, they say the tigers, and you know the rest when that happens dont you? But they dont go. Dude, i speak from experience, i still pay for memberships, not a membership, in the hope that the tigers get their shit together and put on a show that gets these kids back. But no, we continue to toil with skill less plodders, that only tiger heads talk about.

This isnt just footy anymore dude. Its called entertainment. The teenagers of this country all know buddy. go and ask them if they know who Cleve Hughes, Patto etc are....you might get my drift on what we have to get and get it fast.
Think about when RIcho first appeared and how after 3 minutes eveyrone, tigerheads and the whole comp, knew Richo then think about when he is gone. It aint gunna be Cleve, he runs like he is wearing cement shoes and thinks even slower. Or even Sarge, yeah will do, but yeah will not have the turnstile turning and the membership coffers overflowing to be able to see another game full of party tricks from him. Get real, and wake up. Maybe you should think about this...imagine if there was no Brown at tigerland....how many would be clammering for memberships and how many would be flocking to games. Then think about how long he has to go as well. Then you might wake up if that is possible.

 

[Carson_Kressley]

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR (FFFFF I'm still pissed even though a few days have passed now just can't seem to get over this loss). If we can't beat a second rate team like the Kangaroos we might as well start FFF$%&^#%^& tanking. Fair dinkum the only blokes who I rate for the Roos are Harvey and Wells and the rest of them are crap so what does that say about our list. FFS we make a mediocre player like Corey "FFFFF&^&^^GFSGHSFH" Jones look like a star. I'm not sure who the Roos play this week, but I bet he doesn't get a kick.

Just had a look at our draw and if we would have beaten the Kanga's I would have been confident beating collingwood. But now all of a sudden we're on the backfoot and most likely lose. The draw for the next few weeks after that is Fremantle, Geelong ST Kilda, Sydney etc. So after round 8-9 we'll most likely have 1 or 2 wins.

did u actually think after beating carlton u are a good side. your side has nothing compared to most sides. i predct 3 wins and the wooden spoonthis year. maybe in 5 years when you do some decent recruiting and sack your current recruiting staff.

 

[JSFish]

The numbers at games and our membership tally shows that we have one of the most loyal supporter bases if not the most loyal in the AFL, as even after 25 years+ of shit we are still pulling some of the better numbers to the games and to buy memberships.
Also, TigerTroy didn't say that looking at AFL clinics definitively tells you of kids' loyalty or whatever, he was just using one of many examples.
I see where you're coming from Cogga, but I disagree. Some kids will be little **** and leave because we are a shit team, but as I said, our numbers aren't showing up to be too damaged in comparison to many other teams in the league.

 

[TigerGlory]

did u actually think after beating carlton u are a good side. your side has nothing compared to most sides. i predct 3 wins and the wooden spoonthis year. maybe in 5 years when you do some decent recruiting and sack your current recruiting staff.

Arent you sick of being made to look like an idiot?

 

[tugga]

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did u actually think after beating carlton u are a good side. your side has nothing compared to most sides. i predct 3 wins and the wooden spoonthis year. maybe in 5 years when you do some decent recruiting and sack your current recruiting staff.[/quote]
You're right. We have nothing compared to most sides, except your rabble.
Pot, kettle, black.

 

[Carson_Kressley]

Arent you sick of being made to look like an idiot?

i would rather make meself look like a idiot then a footy team making me look like a idiot. r u gay or something u seem to follow me around alot on this site, u must have a obbsession with what i say

 

[TigerGlory]

i would rather make meself look like a idiot then a footy team making me look like a idiot. r u gay or something u seem to follow me around alot on this site, u must have a obbsession with what i say

Thats probably because you spend half your day on our board.

Your stupid predictions always seem to have the opposite effect, please keep saying we'll get the spoon, we'll probably end up winning the premiership.

 

[Carson_Kressley]

Thats probably because you spend half your day on our board.

Your stupid predictions always seem to have the opposite effect, please keep saying we'll get the spoon, we'll probably end up winning the premiership.

HAHAHAHAHA richmond win the premiership HAHAHAHA

 

[CoggaRules]

The numbers at games and our membership tally shows that we have one of the most loyal supporter bases if not the most loyal in the AFL, as even after 25 years+ of shit we are still pulling some of the better numbers to the games and to buy memberships.
Also, TigerTroy didn't say that looking at AFL clinics definitively tells you of kids' loyalty or whatever, he was just using one of many examples.
I see where you're coming from Cogga, but I disagree. Some kids will be little **** and leave because we are a shit team, but as I said, our numbers aren't showing up to be too damaged in comparison to many other teams in the league.

Little **** they might be to you, but to them you are a ____ing idiot that wastes his time going to the footy to see shit and moreso an even bigger ____ing idiot that they laugh at, because you keep on doing it.
Thats how the overall younger generation would view you, even though they might be polite and show respect and dont say it to your face, because they feel sorry for you going each week , and not having anything better to do.
Thats how they think.

Now, on the other point about membership numbers in comparison to "many" other teams in the comp. WHich are the "many" other teams dude?
And you dont seem to understand that what you are saying about our membership numbers is a purely defeatist attitude. Oh we are not bad because there are worse...that attitude will get us to West Sydney before you know it....

You might want to think about who playes in the NRL in west sydney, you might start thinking about how good it would be if they kept the AFL team that is going to be based there in the same feline family...food for thought...and dont start on the stupid smoke screens the AFL puts up about melbourne based sides and how they are safe.

You might say that we will never move, because the supporter wont let it happen. But you only look at it from the save our skins time, when we still had the fever and the numbers interested to pitch in. But you really dont understand when plans and bue prints are made at the top of the tree in the AFL, they make things happen slowly, slowly chipping away at the numbers, until you wake up one day and we are like another inner suburban club, that once was 3 stops on the tram away that is now the Brisbane Lions..

So you can stick to your tunnel vision because that is basically what you are like, get up on the weekend only think about going to the footy, i am the same, but i dont only look at the now, things are changing, there are greater powers out there that want change and they dont give a rats about you and me and if the tigerheads start stomping up and down because their team got moved. Business is business get with the program or you will miss the bus .

 

[bomba4eva]

Ridiculous thought to entertain especially so soon in the season. What is the definition of tanking? Playing kids is what I thought. Richmond are already doing that. Carlton have showed what happens if you tank. Tanking does not guarantee future success. The only sticking point here is that if the Tigers were to win under 5 games, they would receive 2 picks in the top 5 instead of one. Natanui and Rich would appease many supporters minds, but to talk about this in Round 2!?! Why may I ask? It is a disgrace. I rate the Tigers a good chance against the Pies as they usually play well against them. Your mob would also be a good chance against us also.