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[DREAM TEAM BUFF]

Oh I don't think I'd be happy with that - but it would make this thread explode!

The radio guy went on about how Sydney think 11 games are over the top for something which the AFC are 100% at fault for.

 

[Sanders]

Nope, I'm done. Your constant negativity eats away at every single fibre until there's nothing left.

I think you're tired of defending the indefensible, and I don't blame you.

It would be nice if we had an admin to be proud of, where positive feel good observations could be based on fact and honest assessment.

But trigg won't resign, the boys club will remain and supporters will remain pathetic stooges to be milked. So discussions about our corrupt incompetent past transgressions will be negative, because that's what the intrinsic situation is: negative

maybe we'll have some onfield success to distract us shortly?

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Whatever. I give up with you lot.

Whatever yourself Jenny.

No one and I repeat no one insists on putting a 'Get to another club on the cheap' clause in their contract if they had any intentions of staying at that club.

I don't believe for one second he was staying or even considered it. He was going to the Gold Coast before the Swans gave him a better deal.

 

[Sanders]

The radio guy went on about how Sydney think 11 games are over the top for something which the AFC are 100% at fault for.

I don't think anyone can believe we are entirely to blame; majority sure, but not all of it

Kurt & co. didn't help matters

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

The radio guy went on about how Sydney think 11 games are over the top for something which the AFC are 100% at fault for.

If the Swans can prove that, they have a right to appeal. If not, they are just wasting their time.

If he does get off, that will open an enormous can of worms.

 

[Allefgib]

Whatever yourself Jenny.

No one and I repeat no one insists on putting a 'Get to another club on the cheap' clause in their contract if they had any intentions of staying at that club.

I don't believe for one second he was staying or even considered it. He was going to the Gold Coast before the Swans gave him a better deal.

How anyone argues with this is beyond me. We can bang on about being betrayed all we want. The way I look at it - the worse the betrayal, the worse our stupidity/naivety.

He got an illegal side deal to leave in the future. Who agrees to such an extreme measure if they are intending to stay??

Club put EVERYTHING into that 2010 basket and close to everything attached to it went pear shaped.

Club greats went out in inglorious defeat and injury - one with badly strained relationships with the club.

Lost a coach off the back of it. Along the way he lost his credibility with most (as a head coach).

Lost a key asset for ZIPPO - in fact it has cost us alot.

Lost other young players (though others have too) who were looking to be key parts of future success.

Lost our gun recruiting manger along the way.

May end up losing our CEO and/or Footy Ops manager.

Are we still losing members?

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Are we still losing members?

No because at the end of the day, people don't care about board room deals or any of that stuff when you're winning. They only care about winning on Saturday. When we start to lose, this will resurface.

Winners are grinner and losers can please themselves as old EJ would say.

 

[Cap]

The radio guy went on about how Sydney think 11 games are over the top for something which the AFC are 100% at fault for.

If true, then the AFC need fully fight it.

more so, how the **** would Sydney know who is responsible for what? nothing worse than a know it all.

 

[Allefgib]

No because at the end of the day, people don't care about board room deals or any of that stuff when you're winning. They only care about winning on Saturday. When we start to lose, this will resurface.

Winners are grinner and losers can please themselves as old EJ would say.

I'd still go when we're losing. I love being part of the club and supporting the team.

Doesn't stop me thinking they've ****ed up ALOT in recent times.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

I'd still go when we're losing. I love being part of the club and supporting the team.

Me either. But membership trends have a tendency to be on the up when the team is winning and heading south when they are losing.

Doesn't stop me thinking they've screwed up ALOT in recent times.

I agree with you. I'd hate to see the membership numbers this off season had Neil Craig still been coach and we had another poor year.

 

[Glenno23]

The radio guy went on about how Sydney think 11 games are over the top for something which the AFC are 100% at fault for.

Its not like we're losing our assistant coach for 16 games for something that the MFC are fully at fault for.... oh wait

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

They stated at the time (when he chose swans) they would not be trying to trade for him, because after having agreed to join them, that perhaps he wasn't the character they needed around the club.

Supposedly Gunston told the crows he was signing too and poor innocent naive lil old us were tricked - people ate that up too, no wonder the club tried to use that line again.

Do you think they will try and hood wink us a third time with it this year?

Its the bullshit excuse that keeps on giving

Could the AFC fans chip in to buy the club a laptop and a portable printer?

Would be great if when these stars agree to stay with us that we could get the contract signed there and then.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Its not like we're losing our assistant coach for 16 games for something that the MFC are fully at fault for.... oh wait

Before the trade period, the Swans received some sort of assurance that Tippett didn't do anything wrong and wouldn't receive any punishment, you would have a fair point. but I doubt they would ahve.

Adelaide as far as I know, asked the AFL for some sort of assurance that Dean Bailey didn't tank and they said yes. That was a strong point in them hiring him.

Other than that, the 2 cases are not even slightly related or have no other connection.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The radio guy went on about how Sydney think 11 games are over the top for something which the AFC are 100% at fault for.

But Trigg said we weren't guilty of cheating?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

How anyone argues with this is beyond me. We can bang on about being betrayed all we want. The way I look at it - the worse the betrayal, the worse our stupidity/naivety.

He got an illegal side deal to leave in the future. Who agrees to such an extreme measure if they are intending to stay??

Club put EVERYTHING into that 2010 basket and close to everything attached to it went pear shaped.

Club greats went out in inglorious defeat and injury - one with badly strained relationships with the club.

Lost a coach off the back of it. Along the way he lost his credibility with most (as a head coach).

Lost a key asset for ZIPPO - in fact it has cost us alot.

Lost other young players (though others have too) who were looking to be key parts of future success.

Lost our gun recruiting manger along the way.

May end up losing our CEO and/or Footy Ops manager.

Are we still losing members?

You're right. It all goes back to 2010.

The club really, truly believed that we were about to win a premiership. The pieces were falling in to place. We'd been so smart. We were brimming with talented youngsters at a time when the upcoming drafts were compromised. We'd be immune from the GC/GWS overtures because who would want to leave a premiership winning Goliath. We'd managed the loss of our champions perfectly as there was a strong core of players developing underneath. We didn't even need to trade.

Whatever sins we committed would be forgiven and even Kurt would see the light when he had a premiership medal around his neck.

The 2009 season was the time Trigg's masterplan to have a 10+ year coach and a dynasty of success came into being.

 

[Glenno23]

You're right. It all goes back to 2010.

The club really, truly believed that we were about to win a premiership. The pieces were falling in to place. We'd been so smart. We were brimming with talented youngsters at a time when the upcoming drafts were compromised. We'd be immune from the GC/GWS overtures because who would want to leave a premiership winning Goliath. We'd managed the loss of our champions perfectly as there was a strong core of players developing underneath. We didn't even need to trade.

Whatever sins we committed would be forgiven and even Kurt would see the light when he had a premiership medal around his neck.

The 2009 season was the time Trigg's masterplan to have a 10+ year coach and a dynasty of success came into being.

 

[PyroCrow]

If true, then the AFC need fully fight it.

more so, how the **** would Sydney know who is responsible for what? nothing worse than a know it all.

I don't think these 3 words belong together in the same sentence when referring to our front office.

 

[Sanders]

How anyone argues with this is beyond me. We can bang on about being betrayed all we want. The way I look at it - the worse the betrayal, the worse our stupidity/naivety.

He got an illegal side deal to leave in the future. Who agrees to such an extreme measure if they are intending to stay??

I think you can take this 2 ways, but not both i.e. they are mutually exclusive

1. That he put the clause in because he didn't intend to stay, and knew he could use it to get mega money

2. He didn't put it in - we did - and he did have reasonable intent to maybe stay

if its the first, we are incompetently gullible

If its the second, then the whole ****ing scheme is our ****ing doing, our fault, and they should all be ****ing shot - and we should apologise to the Tippett's

Pick your poison but it can't be both, and we come off badly in either

 

[Godallblighty]

Club put EVERYTHING into that 2010 basket and close to everything attached to it went pear shaped.

That's it in a nutshell. And the reason it went pear shaped is because the lynchpin was the regime of a coach who had delivered all he was capable of. The ship went down with the captain.

 

[macca23]

I think he was genuinely going to stay (we were told by Blucher to draw the contract up, he was signing on Monday) and then he gets some forced R&R with concussions and Sydney get into his ear.... $ signs filled the vacuous content of his head and the rest, as they say, is history.

Jenny is essentially correct in what she says.

I don't know whether it actually got to drawing up a contract stage, but his manager had indicated at the end of a week to the Crows after a long period of negotiation that it looked like there was a deal acceptable to his client, and that he thought that his client would be signing up after the week-end. Of course that's when the 3rd concussion came into play, and Tippett went home for 10 days or so to recover with his family, and Sydney made their first approach up in Brisbane, which gave Tippett another viable alternative after Brisbane and the Gold Coast wouldn't/couldn't pay the type of money that Adelaide were prepared to pay.

Our problem of course was that he had us over a barrel and we were prepared to break rules - irrespective of who's idea it was to insert the clearance clause in a separate contract (rumoured to be initiated by Tippett senior).

The big lesson in all of this to any club is that while you should do everything in your power to re-sign key players, it just ain't worth it to break the rules, or if you are going to take the chance and do so (like Vic clubs have done in the past), you most certainly don't put it in print.

 

[macca23]

I think you can take this 2 ways, but not both i.e. they are mutually exclusive

1. That he put the clause in because he didn't intend to stay, and knew he could use it to get mega money

2. He didn't put it in - we did - and he did have reasonable intent to maybe stay

if its the first, we are incompetently gullible

If its the second, then the whole ******* scheme is our ******* doing, our fault, and they should all be ******* shot - and we should apologise to the Tippett's

Pick your poison but it can't be both, and we come off badly in either

FFS Colonel, you have written some strange things in your time on this Board, but that is complete rubbish.

You are totally ignoring what the AFL Commission did after hearing Tippett's bullshit evidence - doubled his fine because of the dubious evidence that he gave.

Apologize to the Tippetts??

FFS!!

 

[scottwade]

They were talking about Sydney appealing Kurts 11 games on the radio

I know you are only relaying information you heard, but the idea of a Sydney appeal sounds total BS.

Firstly Sydney themselves can't appeal the decision as they weren't a party to the proceedings and knew full well the extent of Tippett's ban when the Swans selected him in the PSD.
Secondly it seems generally agreed that the outcome (for all parties) resulted from negotiations and that the 'agreements' reached during the talks basically correlated with the penalties handed down by the Commission.
Given that the penalties were imposed at the end of November I find it difficult to believe that Tippett (supported by the Swans) now suddenly believes, at the end of February, that the penalties were so egregious that they need to be appealed.
Lastly who exactly did the radio guys think Tippett would lodge this appeal with?

If Tippett were to contest the penalties then surely he would have done so immediately, not one month out from the season proper, particularly as his playing ban effectively starts this week when Sydney play their first NAB Cup match.

IMO more speculative ill-informed nonsense from the media.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Have we (or any club) ever walked out of a mid-season meeting with a player/manager thinking that he was going to leave?

They'd all end really well. Handshakes all round. "Just got to sort out a couple of minor details..."

No player would want to become a pariah within their own club. Even if they wanted to leave at the end of the season, if they said that halfway through they wouldn't be picked for the remainder of the season.

We have to believe that every player is leaving, right up until there is pen on paper. Instead we believe they are staying, right up until they sign with someone else.

Sidenote... we all wanted honesty from Tippett and for him to actually front the players and explain why he'd left. To "leave the right way"

Nathan Bock did exactly that and Neil told him to instantly clean out his locker while Brett Burton held the door open for him.

 

[Sanders]

FFS Colonel, you have written some strange things in your time on this Board, but that is complete rubbish.

You are totally ignoring what the AFL Commission did after hearing Tippett's bullshit evidence - doubled his fine because of the dubious evidence that he gave.

Apologize to the Tippetts??

FFS!!

Sorry Warren you'll understand if I take your so called "insider" knowledge with a large grain of salt? Repeating the claim that the club was hoodwinked doesn't make it more true or justifiable

Ps this is the same commission that says melbourne didn't tank, but Bailey took it upon himself after divine intervention to alter selection

If you are believe what the commission is selling, no wonder you believe the manure out of west lakes.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

FFS Colonel, you have written some strange things in your time on this Board, but that is complete rubbish.

You are totally ignoring what the AFL Commission did after hearing Tippett's bullshit evidence - doubled his fine because of the dubious evidence that he gave.

Apologize to the Tippetts??

FFS!!

Sanders was just saying that when Tippett was reluctant to re-sign at the end of 2009 the "clause" may have been our idea. A carrot to convince him to sign.