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Anyone heard of some of the conspiracies surrounding the sinking of the Titanic?
Among others;

  • Insurance claim
  • An elaborate ploy to usher in the US Federal Reserve
  • Curse of the Mummy's tomb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Titanic_alternative_theories
http://thecompanyofthedead.com/blog/?p=40
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/9648097._I_can_prove_it_was_not_Titanic_that_sank_/

Also interesting is the book Wreck of the Titan, released in 1898.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futility,_or_the_Wreck_of_the_Titan

Weird.
 
two up said:
Anyone heard of some of the conspiracies surrounding the sinking of the Titanic?
Among others;

  • Insurance claim
  • An elaborate ploy to usher in the US Federal Reserve
  • Curse of the Mummy's tomb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Titanic_alternative_theories
http://thecompanyofthedead.com/blog/?p=40
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/9648097._I_can_prove_it_was_not_Titanic_that_sank_/

Also interesting is the book Wreck of the Titan, released in 1898.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futility,_or_the_Wreck_of_the_Titan

Weird.
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Have definitely heard about these.

The boats were owned by JP Morgan, who was part of a group pushing for a Fed reserve. He was supposed to be on the titanic but pulled out days before.

Story goes that they got most of the opposition elite onto the boat to sink it and remove the opposition to the Fed Reserve creation.

Their first ship (Olympic) reportedly crashed into a navy vessel uninsured. If they were to repair the boat it would delay the titanic and cost them a heap as no insurance. So the story goes they repaired the ship and sent it off as the titanic,as the only real difference between the ships were the deck windows. This time it was insured, and they sunk it killing the opposition as well as retrieving their insurance payout.

You can just imagine them sitting around a boardroom at the famous meeting at Jekyll Island, trying to work out how they can usher in the Fed. Then one JP Morgan says 'I've been reading this book called wreck of the Titan...'.

Like the Titanic, Titan was as described as unsinkable and it hit an iceberg in the a North Atlantic and in April.
 
Captains of ships become captains after years of serving, they develop an instinct that is tested at every turn and every rise amongst the ranks they achieve. It goes against everything the captain was, to do what he did. There had to be some sort of outside pressures for him to do what he did.

Weather that was an insurance job or some sort of threat from board members (who are sociopathic) who expected the ship to follow threw the hype. I wonder how the finances of the company would of looked had that ship sailed with a cargo not inflated by the PR, especially if the ship didn't make port as soon as it was suppose to.
 
little graham said:
Captains of ships become captains after years of serving, they develop an instinct that is tested at every turn and every rise amongst the ranks they achieve. It goes against everything the captain was, to do what he did. There had to be some sort of outside pressures for him to do what he did.
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Are you saying the Captain purposly sunk the ship and killed himself?

You'd have to be pretty good with the lip to convince someone to do that
 

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Are you saying the Captain purposly sunk the ship and killed himself?

You'd have to be pretty good with the lip to convince someone to do that
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I think he was meant to "crash" it so there was time for everyone to safely move to some nearby ships but the plan went awry. Interesting to know these conspiracies have been around since the ship sunk, and from what i read were pretty much accepted
 
the biggest story by far is about the message,signal flares and ships not helping during the struggle.
many hearings were had ,to find out what happened during the non rescue.
 
I've heard the story of the alleged Olympic-Titanic switch many times, but it has been disproven from investigation of the wreck in recent years.

The Olympic and Titanic were sister ships, and identical apart from the Titanic having screens on her B-deck. In theory, one could switch the ships' identities at Harland and Wolf in Belfast where the Olympic had been sent for repairs in March 1912, and where the Titanic was close to completion. It would just be a matter of switching the name-plates, the B deck screens and other items bearing the ships' names.

It is true that the Olympic had been an accident-prone, troublesome ship up to this stage. It is also true that a number of passengers, including JP Morgan cancelled their places on the Titanic's maiden voyage, and that Chief Officer Henry Wilde, normally on the Olympic, wrote a letter on the Titanic to his sister, which stated "I still don't like this ship."

However, to pull of an insurance scam of sinking the Olympic under the Titanic's identity would have involved so many people - the ship builders, the line's owners and senior managers, the captain, some officers and other crew - that it would have been near impossible to do this. In any case, White Star Line prided itself on its safety record, so the largest liner in the world at the time failing to complete a single crossing of the Atlantic would have appeared as bad in theory before the event as it did when it actually happened.

The cancellations can be explained by the normal reasons people cancel and change travel plans, such as illness in the case of JP Morgan and change of circumstances in others. I know one young man missed the ship at Southampton as he overslept that morning. Wilde's letter appears to be a grammatical error, or perhaps the officer took a dislike to the ship while working on her before she left port? I can't explain the premonitions people had of pending doom - maybe some do have that sixth sense? For example, in interviews survivor Eva Hart, who was a child at the time, recalls her mother refused to sleep on the ship at night fearing something would go wrong. The 1898 science fiction novel Futility, where a futuristic ship called the Titan sinks, is an amazing coincidence. I have no answer to explain the amazing prediction of future events detailed in this book.

The factor that finally disproves any conspiracy theory of an Olympic - Titanic switch is the exploration of the wreck site. The Olympic carried an identification number of 400, and the Titanic 401. Every large artifact examined carries the number 401, proof without any shadow of a doubt that the it was the Titanic that sank on April 15, 1912. The Olympic herself carried on until she was retired in the 1930s. Much of her interior survives to this day at the White Swan Hotel in England.

One of the most amazing stories from the Olympic and Titanic was that of Violet Jessop, a young stewardess who was on the Olympic when it struck the Navy cruiser the Hawke in 1911, and survived the Titanic's sinking in 1912. Then in 1916, Miss Jessop, now a nurse serving in World War 1, was on the third ship, the Britannic and survived when it hit a mine and sank off Crete. While Violet Jessop was a stunningly attractive young woman, any wealthy young American men or young male English aristocrats crossing the Atlantic and taken by her beauty would probably have been ill advised to invite Miss Jessop for a sailing trip on the family yacht or even for an afternoon on a rowboat.
 
I believe the mummy's curse scenario has thoroughly been debunked.
 
Been watching a few docos on this and one thing is for sure, there has been a few theories on this since the day it sunk
 
I don't believe this is true however I'll post it to see what people think.

Apparently the Titanic was "swapped" with its sister ship Olympic in 1912.

The following is actually true:

Prior to the Titanic's maiden voyage, the Olympic broke a propeller blade - the Olympic was originally supposed to sail to America that day, not the Titanic.

However (and this is where the conspiracy begins) there was allegedly no broken propeller blade and for insurance purposes the name plates etc were swapped over during the night before the voyage - and the Olympic (disguised as the Titanic) sailed away to its doom while the real Titanic - disguised as the Olympic) stayed behind.

Now while I said I don't believe it, I can see the logic in this theory:

- White Star Line were reportedly broke (while this is disputable, they did go broke and merged with Cunard many years later)

- to the untrained eye there were hardly any differences between the two ships. Apart from the Titanic being slightly longer, the ships had different windows on the A and Promenade decks (the white sections of the ships). They were originally identical but the Olympic was altered when the Titanic was built.

- warnings of Icebergs given to the Titanic by the nearby Lusitania (sister ship to the Mauritania) were ignored. The Lusitania and Titanic were closer to each other in the Iceberg field than people realise.

- it has also been said that if the ship hit the Iceberg head on rather than trying to go around it AT TOP SPEED (see below) the ship would have sustained less damage and would have made it.

- the speed the ship was reportedly going through the Iceberg field was top speed.

Thoughts so far?
 

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In 1898 a man named Morgan Robertson penned a book titled "Wreck of the Titan" about a luxury liner deemed unsinkable that was going too fast in the North Atlantic in April and hit and iceberg killing most everyone on board due to lack of lifeboats.

14 years later this fictional book would play out in real life exactly down to the name, with the wreck of the Titanic; but this time it would have major political implications. Some of the wealthiest men in the world were on that ship and some were opposed to the Federal Reserve and central banks.






FACT: JP Morgan funded/built the Titanic

FACT: JP Morgan was booked on the voyage but canceled at the last second.

FACT: Friend of JP Morgan, Milton Hersey, also canceled at the last moment and survived to build the Hersey food empire.

FACT: There were no red flares on board to signal to any boats for rescue. Only white flares that signal a party and that everything is okay.

FACT: It was the first ship of its kind with the ability to seal decks electromagnetically which could also seal people below deck.

FACT: The Captain Edward Smith was one of the most decorated Captains of his time and would have been totally out of character by avoiding precautions.

FACT: The author of the book was poisoned to death a couple years after the Titanic sank.

FACT: The Federal Reserve was formed the very next year.

FACT: The Astor Family was one of the richest families in the world and John Astor III opposed the Federal Reserve.






John Jacob Astor IV, the richest man in the world at the time, a friend of Nikola Tesla, and an outspoken opponent of the creation of the Federal Reserve. Astor gained his wealth, in part, as a real estate builder, investor, and inventor. Other prominent Federal Reserve detractors, such as Benjamin Guggenheim and Isa Strauss, also died on board.

Did JP Morgan get the idea of how to kill off the opposition to the Federal Reserve from a book written 14 years prior? This was a book titled "The Titan" published 14 years before the Titanic sank and look at the similarities.

Did they hatch a plan at Jekyll Island to build a ship to eliminate the competition?

Similarities to the Titanic

Although the novel was written before the Olympic-class Titanic had even been designed, there are some remarkable similarities between the fictional and real-life counterparts. Like the Titanic, the fictional ship sank in April in the North Atlantic, and there were not enough lifeboats for the passengers. There are also similarities between the size (800 ft long for Titan versus 882 ft 9 in long for the Titanic), speed (25 knots for Titan, 21 knots for Titanic) and life-saving equipment.

Beyond the name, the similarities between the Titanic and the fictional Titan include:

Described as "unsinkable"

The Titanic was the world's largest luxury liner (882 feet, displacing 63,000 long tons), and was once described as being practically "unsinkable". The Titan was the largest craft afloat and the greatest of the works of men (800 feet, displacing 75,000 tons), and was considered "unsinkable".

Shortage of lifeboats

The Titanic carried only 16 lifeboats, plus 4 Engelhardt folding lifeboats,less than half the number required for her passenger capacity of 3000. The Titan carried "as few as the law allowed", 24 lifeboats, less than half needed for her 3000 capacity.

Struck an iceberg

Moving too fast at 22½ knots,the Titanic struck an iceberg on the starboard side on the night of April 14, 1912 in the North Atlantic 400 miles away from Newfoundland. Also on an April night, in the North Atlantic 400 miles from Newfoundland (Terranova), the Titan hit an iceberg while traveling at 25 knots, also on the starboard side.

Sinking

The unsinkable Titanic sank, and more than half of her 2200 passengers died. The indestructible Titan also sank, more than half of her 2500 passengers drowning. Went down bow first, the Titan actually capsizing before it sank.

Source
 
While the similarities with the fictional Titan are truly remarkable, I find it very hard to believe the Captain (or officers in charge) deliberately crashed the Titanic into an iceberg. Even if they did, the damage had to be severe enough to sink the ship (which it was) but slightly less damage would have seen her stay afloat. Also there was no guarantee those rich folks would die as a result - one third of the first class men did in fact survive. Certainly a series of unfortunate events from which much was learnt, but nothing sinister IMO.
 
Werewolf said:
While the similarities with the fictional Titan are truly remarkable, I find it very hard to believe the Captain (or officers in charge) deliberately crashed the Titanic into an iceberg. Even if they did, the damage had to be severe enough to sink the ship (which it was) but slightly less damage would have seen her stay afloat. Also there was no guarantee those rich folks would die as a result - one third of the first class men did in fact survive. Certainly a series of unfortunate events from which much was learnt, but nothing sinister IMO.
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The private ownership of the federal reserve, connections, are interesting

http://www.jekyllisland-themovie.com/



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Heardy_101 said:
I don't believe this is true however I'll post it to see what people think.

Apparently the Titanic was "swapped" with its sister ship Olympic in 1912.

The following is actually true:

Prior to the Titanic's maiden voyage, the Olympic broke a propeller blade - the Olympic was originally supposed to sail to America that day, not the Titanic.

However (and this is where the conspiracy begins) there was allegedly no broken propeller blade and for insurance purposes the name plates etc were swapped over during the night before the voyage - and the Olympic (disguised as the Titanic) sailed away to its doom while the real Titanic - disguised as the Olympic) stayed behind.

Now while I said I don't believe it, I can see the logic in this theory:

- White Star Line were reportedly broke (while this is disputable, they did go broke and merged with Cunard many years later)

- to the untrained eye there were hardly any differences between the two ships. Apart from the Titanic being slightly longer, the ships had different windows on the A and Promenade decks (the white sections of the ships). They were originally identical but the Olympic was altered when the Titanic was built.

- warnings of Icebergs given to the Titanic by the nearby Lusitania (sister ship to the Mauritania) were ignored. The Lusitania and Titanic were closer to each other in the Iceberg field than people realise.

- it has also been said that if the ship hit the Iceberg head on rather than trying to go around it AT TOP SPEED (see below) the ship would have sustained less damage and would have made it.

- the speed the ship was reportedly going through the Iceberg field was top speed.

Thoughts so far?
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This conspiracy has been doing the rounds for a while now, I remember reading about it back in the early 2000's when I first got on the internet, it mainly come about during the hype of the James Cameron movie when Titanic fever was everywhere and heaps of stories and conspiracies where made up to fit the romance of the film.

here's a few theories and explanations that clearly busts or "sinks" this conspiracy.
http://www.rmstitanicremembered.com/?page_id=283
 
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Oh we all know that 99% of the Titanic conspiracies are sunk by the simplest of evidence but its still interesting to read what people come up with in response to said theories and what other ones may be out there we don't know about.

Bit like how there was actually enough room for Jack Dawson while there were floating around once the ship went down.
 
van peebles said:
On liner's back in the day.
Every piece of crockery,utensils,deckchairs,towels,room number plates and the list goes on.All these items were marked with the ships name.
Thats a lot of changeover work to be done.
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Yes, it would not be feasible to do a quick changeover under the cover of darkness.
 
This explains pretty well what would be required for this conspiracy theory to succeed:

http://www.paullee.com/titanic/switch.html

Pretty much impossible with all of the unique engravings and differences between the 2 boats. Then you'd have to make sure not a single one of the 15,000 strong workforce blabbers a single word about it. Myth busted.
 

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