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Re: Training 11\11\11

Has the world ended yet?

Wasn't 11/11/11 the day the apocalypse was going to begin according to some dumb yankee cult?:p:eek:

Or is that on American time.;)

Good to see Nathan Brown looking fit, still got his size about him, and damn does Marty Clarke look a lot stronger then he did when we last saw him.
 

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Re: Training 11\11\11

mattys123 said:
Good to see Nathan Brown looking fit, still got his size about him, and damn does Marty Clarke look a lot stronger then he did when we last saw him.
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Did you like the Clarke Soccer Tackle near the end of the Video?
 
dalethomas13 said:
Can Ben Johnson? Travis Cloke? Alan Toovey? Chris Tarrant? Ben Reid? :rolleyes:
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I love this its so simple yet leaves anyone questioning Clarke's ability on the opposite foot with no comeback!

However why limit it to only left footers? Off the top of my head I don't remember ever seeing Leon Davis, Heath Shaw, Chris Dawes, Harry O'Brien, Nick Maxwell and Sharrod Wellingham use their left foot. And for the first five season's of his career Dale Thomas did everything he could to use his right! The only ones at the club that I'd consider capable on their opposite are Pendles, Ball and Didak.

If their was one criticism I could ever have of MM and his coaching (even then it is ever so slight) it was that IMO he never really challenged the players to improve on their opposite foot, outside of Marty Clarke of course. I believe with Buckley's driven personality and perfectionist ways it may be something (along with skills in general) that he'll look to improve on.
 
Scodog10 said:
I love this its so simple yet leaves anyone questioning Clarke's ability on the opposite foot with no comeback!

However why limit it to only left footers? Off the top of my head I don't remember ever seeing Leon Davis, Heath Shaw, Chris Dawes, Harry O'Brien, Nick Maxwell and Sharrod Wellingham use their left foot. And for the first five season's of his career Dale Thomas did everything he could to use his right! The only ones at the club that I'd consider capable on their opposite are Pendles, Ball and Didak.

If their was one criticism I could ever have of MM and his coaching (even then it is ever so slight) it was that IMO he never really challenged the players to improve on their opposite foot, outside of Marty Clarke of course. I believe with Buckley's driven personality and perfectionist ways it may be something (along with skills in general) that he'll look to improve on.
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Leon Davis has an exceptional left foot.

Cloke, Dawes, Reid, Tarrant, etc are less relevant, as you really only need an opposite foot in general play when running with the ball. Key positions and talls don't usually have the ball in this situation.

Johnson should not be the benchmark to which the dual-sidedness of our mids are compared - he is terrible. Harry has a good left foot, Thomas has a good left foot, Wellingham has an average left foot. I agree that Shaw needs to work on his as well.

Marty will need to be dual sided because of the position he plays and wants to play.

P.S You mentioned three players who you consider capable on their opposite side, but left off Beams (very good on his left), Sidebottom (better on his left than his right), Blair (good on left), Leigh Brown (good on left), as well as a host of reserves players like Dick, Rounds, etc who all have good opposite sides.
 
Heritier 09 said:
Leon Davis? Really? Absolutely sublime left foot. Example the last goal he kicked for the club, from 50, that sparked our last quarter. Stunning on both sides
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I remember that one now, it's amazing how quickly one forgets, but out of curiosity can you remember another goal he kicked on the left foot?

My mind always seems to revert to him kicking the most difficult of snaps when a player as quick, smart and elusive as he was could have just as easily straightened up onto either foot with a similar amount of effort.

As it is I could easily strike him from the list, though it was rare for him to use his opposite, and it would still leave us with 10 players or more from our best 22 from 2011 with virtually non existent opposite feet!
 

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Jelly Bean said:
Leon Davis has an exceptional left foot.

Cloke, Dawes, Reid, Tarrant, etc are less relevant, as you really only need an opposite foot in general play when running with the ball. Key positions and talls don't usually have the ball in this situation.

Johnson should not be the benchmark to which the dual-sidedness of our mids are compared - he is terrible. Harry has a good left foot, Thomas has a good left foot, Wellingham has an average left foot. I agree that Shaw needs to work on his as well.

Marty will need to be dual sided because of the position he plays and wants to play.

P.S You mentioned three players who you consider capable on their opposite side, but left off Beams (very good on his left), Sidebottom (better on his left than his right), Blair (good on left), Leigh Brown (good on left), as well as a host of reserves players like Dick, Rounds, etc who all have good opposite sides.
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Harry does not have a good left foot! He struggles with any degree of efficiency when asked to kick any distance over 20-25 metres (at stages this year the same could be said of his right foot), which is what I'd require of a player to deem them good on the opposite.

Thomas until this year was worse than Harry he used to kick checksides instead of using his left foot, but has now moved towards adequate (although he needs to improve his consistency with it) and Wellingham is certainly below average IMO.

Why should KPP be deemed irrelevant? If we're only comparing to Clarke that's fair enough, however if we're to improve as a club we should be all encompassing and mandate that everyone needs to improve not just the guys that get the ball more often in general traffic. TBH it's one of Keefe's strongest traits!

I did exclude players such as Dick, Rounds, Fasolo ect because they're not best 22 and you're correct in stating that Steele is up there with Pendles, Ball and Didak (Beams and Blair not so IMO), but I could just as easily add Swan to the other list as I certainly wouldn't put his left foot near the top bracket of the club.....

Finally what you said re Johnson epitomises the one great flaw in MM's coaching, he had his favourites. Johnson is worse in that area of his game than Clarke yet it was seen as a fatal chink in Marty's armour, but not so with Johnson. They both bring other strengths and weaknesses to their games in close to equal doses (Johnson the better of the two though). However MM used the lack of a right foot as one condemning asset to Marty's game and refused to do so with Johnson or any other player that struggles with it for that matter.
 
dalethomas13 said:
Can Ben Johnson? Travis Cloke? Alan Toovey? Chris Tarrant? Ben Reid? :rolleyes:
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Good point. One thing that often goes unrecognized about Didak is the way he developed his right foot kicking around the period 2005-06 - to the point where his weaker leg is now better than the strong leg of most of the rest of our list. Was that beautiful goal he kicked (after his smother) in the 2010 GF off his right?
 

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