Transgender - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Please be aware that the tolerance of anti-trans language on BF is at an all-time low. Jokes and insults that are trans-related, as well as anti-trans and bigoted rhetoric will be met with infractions, threadbans etc as required. It's a sensitive (and important) topic, so behave like well-mannered adults when discussing it, PARTICULARLY when disagreeing. This equally applies across the whole site.

 

[faible]

Not to worry - Big Pharma has been talking up the H5N5 Avian Flu lately

https://www.dcceew.gov.au/environment/invasive-species/diseases-fungi-and-parasites/birdflu

When it spreads to humans and everyone's an extra in Lockdown II :GigaLockdown and the only vaccine is via 6G human chipset integration 24/7 Bigfooty is a guarantee!

Can't wait to get BigFooty access directly to my brain, that way I can absorb more of the high quality content while I sleep.

 

[Gralin]

Can't wait to get BigFooty access directly to my brain, that way I can absorb more of the high quality content while I sleep.

 

[faible]

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@ Chief AI is this you?

 

[IKnowtheDog]

I don’t know if it’s me but it seems the only heavy coverage women’s sports gets is when a transgender individual is involved. Case in point strongest woman competition

 

[faible]

I don’t know if it’s me but it seems the only heavy coverage women’s sports gets is when a transgender individual is involved. Case in point strongest woman competition

WSM (or woman) is a pretty niche sport that only gets coverage in specific circles. Thor drags coverage to the men because he was in Game of Thrones.

Women's tennis, athletics or swimming all see fairly similar levels of coverage to the men's events.

Conservative media loves to drum up outrage about transgender athletes at any opportunity they get, but it's not really about the coverage for women's sport since they almost definitely wouldn't have covered it otherwise.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

 

[Ludovico]

The consequences of this bullshit


...starting in the first year after anti-transgender laws were enacted, there were statistically significant increases in rates of past-year suicide attempts among TGNB young people ages 13–17 in states that enacted anti-transgender laws, relative to states that did not, and for all TGNB young people beginning in the second year. Enacting state-level anti-transgender laws increased incidents of past-year suicide attempts among TGNB young people by 7–72%...

State-level anti-transgender laws increase past-year suicide attempts among transgender and non-binary young people in the USA - Nature Human Behaviour

From 2018 to 2022, 48 anti-transgender laws were enacted in the USA across 19 states. This study shows that these anti-transgender laws increased past-year suicide attempts among transgender and non-binary young people by as much as 72%.

www.nature.com

 

[Chief]

It's just awful.

 

[kranky al]

Poor victims…

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

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Poor victims…

Wow. Chick Fil-A's certainly changed its tune. This is from 2018 in the Before Times, from The Ago, the era before COVID;

Chick-fil-A’s Creepy Infiltration of New York City

When the first stand-alone location opened, in 2015, Mayor de Blasio proposed a boycott. Now the city seems to have accepted the chain’s brand of deep-fried Christian traditionalism.

www.newyorker.com

April 13, 2018

...New York has taken to Chick-fil-A. One of the Manhattan locations estimates that it sells a sandwich every six seconds, and the company has announced plans to open as many as a dozen more storefronts in the city. And yet the brand’s arrival here feels like an infiltration, in no small part because of its pervasive Christian traditionalism. Its headquarters, in Atlanta, are adorned with Bible verses and a statue of Jesus washing a disciple’s feet.

Its stores close on Sundays.

Its C.E.O., Dan Cathy, has been accused of bigotry for using the company's charitable wing to fund anti-gay causes, including groups that oppose same-sex marriage. “We’re inviting God’s judgment on our nation,” he once said, “when we shake our fist at him and say, ‘We know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage.’ ” The company has since reaffirmed its intention to “treat every person with honor, dignity and respect,” but it has quietly continued to donate to anti-L.G.B.T. groups...

 

[raskolnikov]

It's just weird the obsession that conservatives have with transgender people, considering they constitute such a small percentage of the population. I've noticed on most media sites too that, much like with LGB people, they choose the most flamboyant transgender people to focus on and make it seem like that is what the majority of transgender people, when in reality, like LGB the majority are quiet, non-confrontational people who just want to live their lives free from harrasment. It really is perverse.

 

[faible]

It's just weird the obsession that conservatives have with transgender people, considering they constitute such a small percentage of the population. I've noticed on most media sites too that, much like with LGB people, they choose the most flamboyant transgender people to focus on and make it seem like that is what the majority of transgender people, when in reality, like LGB the majority are quiet, non-confrontational people who just want to live their lives free from harrasment. It really is perverse.

Conservative parties world-wide are running a similar playbook. Blame everything on <others> and say that only they (the conservative party) can fix it by getting rid of <others>.

Gay folk are pretty socially accepted these days, so they focus on easier targets - transgender people and immigrants.

 

[kranky al]

 

[schneebly111]

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I reckon if a transphobic person’s internet browser search history was made public most would reveal the truth about their obsession with trans people……..

 

[kranky al]

I reckon if a transphobic person’s internet browser search history was made public most would reveal the truth about their obsession with trans people……..

Methinks they doth protesteth too much

 

[stax on the mull]

Big profits for Riley Gaines

Leadership Perks: Riley Gaines Scored Big Bonus From Nonprofit

Gaines, the former Kentucky swimmer turned OutKick commentator, banked $474,313 from the conservative political organization in 2024.

www.sportico.com

I'm going to have a look at that documentary linked on this story but I kind of already know she was a grifter from the time someone started posting clickbait clips of her on the Freo politics board.

At the time I went back and had a look at early interviews she was doing, (before she got picked up to tour with the Republican Party election campaigning) and the stuff about not knowing, and not being told she was going to share a changeroom with the transgender swimmer and being watched as she undressed and turning to see a penis etc, wasn't anything like how she originally described the incidents, but over time she manufactured the outrage by describing herself as a helpless victim of predatory behaviour - though she was always admitted that when she finished equal 5th she had a tantrum when the trans swimmer that finished in the same place got to hold the 5th place trophy for the podium photo-shot.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

It's just weird the obsession that conservatives have with transgender people, considering they constitute such a small percentage of the population. I've noticed on most media sites too that, much like with LGB people, they choose the most flamboyant transgender people to focus on and make it seem like that is what the majority of transgender people, when in reality, like LGB the majority are quiet, non-confrontational people who just want to live their lives free from harrasment. It really is perverse.

Of course they do. It's a lot easier to make a group a target of hatred or fear if you cherry-pick the most off-putting examples and shine a spotlight on them.

 

[Chief]

The whole "anti-woke" thing was about bashing minority groups.

Black people, trans people, gay people, unmarried women... say anything positive about any of them and you're "woke".

 

[schneebly111]

The whole "anti-woke" thing was about bashing minority groups.

Black people, trans people, gay people, unmarried women... say anything positive about any of them and you're "woke".

The final season of the series ‘Stranger Things’ got review bombed just because a character came out as gay.

They don’t hide their hatred of anything they deem woke anymore

 

[T2B_]

Many of the anti-woke crowd still get mad whenever there's even a female protagonist. They're certainly not subtle.

 

[Chief]

The final season of the series ‘Stranger Things’ got review bombed just because a character came out as gay.

A) Spoilers!

B) They would.

 

[EagleShore]

The final season of the series ‘Stranger Things’ got review bombed just because a character came out as gay.

They don’t hide their hatred of anything they deem woke anymore

There are a range of people in society. A huge number of people with a significant range of views, some based upon facts, some based upon feelings/opinions devoid of deeper rationality or logic.

Conflating people who are against someone coming out as gay with those who have concerns and wish to engage in a nuanced discussion about the complex array of issues pertaining to transgenderism/gender ideology - many of whom are gay like myself - is remiss on your part.

Does this forum or even this thread have room for nuanced discussion? Or does everyone have to agree on every single issue to a degree of fine precision?

I would love to create a poll with 10+ categories to assess the opinions of those in this forum on one particular aspect of transgender activism - biological males in girls' and women's competitive/professional sports. I predict that there would be a range of views based upon a range of different factors in each category.

Many of the anti-woke crowd still get mad whenever there's even a female protagonist. They're certainly not subtle.

A significant proportion of people who are fighting against the pseudoscientific nature and oppressive social manifestation of trasngender activism/gender ideology are women who simply want two things:

1) Girls' and Women's sex-based rights to be preserved in the realms of competitive/professional sports, single-sex spaces where women and girls are vulnerable (public changerooms/toilets, crisis centres, and prisons); and
2) Children's rights to safety against unscientific and medically unsound practises to be preserved.


A massive flaw made by a large proportion of people these days is to isolate into echo-chambers, from which we see a number of complex, muti-faceted issues being reduced into two categories: left and right, acceptable and unacceptable, good and bad. This is patently illogical, unproductive, and ultimately harmful to individuals and society at large.



I would enjoy seeing the range of opinions from people who frequent this thread, and the SRP forum in general, on several specific issues pertaining to gender ideology, from biological males in girls'/women's private spaces and sports, to children being diagnosed with gender dysphoria and the issues in this context around the WPATH files, Cass Review, the findings from systematic reviews undertaken by a few European nations, along with the concerns established by detransitioners who went through a medical system that was completely devoid of safeguards against harmful, permanent, and life-altering procedures being applied to what were genuinely vulnerable, confused and/or abused, and/or gay youth.

 

[EagleShore]

It's just weird the obsession that conservatives have with transgender people, considering they constitute such a small percentage of the population. I've noticed on most media sites too that, much like with LGB people, they choose the most flamboyant transgender people to focus on and make it seem like that is what the majority of transgender people, when in reality, like LGB the majority are quiet, non-confrontational people who just want to live their lives free from harrasment. It really is perverse.

1) Reducing the multi-faceted group of people who have issues with gender ideology into "conservatives [having issues] with transgender people" is reductionist and useless in terms of understanding the actual issues at hand. Including bigoted individuals who have a problem with anyone different to them on the basis of those differences per se in this discussion is unfruitful and basically constitutes and ad hominem attack (and is thus illogical/irrelevant).

2) Is it your assertion that the number of people involved is in any way relevant to the discussion of the issues at hand in any one particular context? Because that is poor logic. If one person kills another person, that is wrong, regardless of whether or not that is the only case of homicide on the planet in one year.

3) It is incumbent on any well-intentioned individual discussing any particular issue to engage is such a discussion in good faith. Saying that media sites only focus on the most "flamboyant" trans people to focus on and "take down" is one aspect, and indeed true in some cases, such as the abusive, predatory males who say they are females and go on to rape or otherwise abuse women in women's spaces. This has happened, and is a separate issue that informs a few of the other facets of the broader gender ideology debate, not least of all whether we as a society insist on maintaining women's spaces free from all biological males on the basis that no one can determine a priori whether any one or more of those biological males will offend against the biological females. I assume, from your take about the most "flamboyant" transgender people that copped the ire from those media outlets, that you agree that there are some reprehensible people who identify as transgender and have harmed and continue to intend to harm vulnerable people? Arguing that some outlets focus on these individuals is both short-sighted (there are other valid arguments against gender ideology especially as it pertains to children) and problematic (these issues are literally part of some of the core arguments against gender self ID laws) on your part.

4) All consenting adults should be free from harassment if they are engaging in consensual acitivities with other consenting adults in their own private domains. In public, of course, there are different standards, most of which we all observe. No valid argument against trans activism focuses on these aspects... in my experience, the only issues rational people are concerned with in relation to broader trans/gender ideology/activism pertain to aspects wherein existing women's/girls' rights to privacy, safety, and fairness are transgressed. Conflating all of this together is disingenuous and basically avoiding the specific issues of concern (aka Strawman fallacy).


Look, I understand you lot live in an echo-chamber, but seriously, do you ALL agree on LITERALLY EVERY nuance of EVERY APECT of the extrememly vexed underpinning issue of gender ideology?

Because that is literally impossible, unless you all have the same zombie mind.

For instance, no one here can tell me they would have no issue if their daughter was excluded from her swimming finals at high school (upper levels, where it really counts, for the purposes of this discussion) because a newly trans-identified male at said school decided he was "a girl". I mean, there are nuances, right? If you literally had some year 12 boy who said on Monday he identifies as a girl, should he take the place of a girl who he edges out in a 200m freestyle swim on the Tuesday?

My point is, there is so much nuance in this discussion that participants in BigFooty and other forums ignore, shout down, or otherwise overlook due to a lack of deeper analysis.