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Opinion Travis Varcoe

Assuming Varcoe is worth pick 10 in any draft, would you trade him?

  • Yes

    Votes: 48 39.7%

  • No

    Votes: 30 24.8%

  • Get stuffed Meto

    Votes: 43 35.5%
  • Total voters
    121

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FredLeDeux said:
Pretty conclusive, those things, CE.
What are they? Are they the same gadgets that say Rioli is the best player in the League? :D
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Hey, I said "support", not an iron-clad case!
 
Stick your head out on Varcoe CE and you can bet you'll get kicked. Their like vultures.
 

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David the Cat said:
Stick your head out on Varcoe CE and you can bet you'll get kicked. Their like vultures.
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I have a head hardened by kickings from defending the maligned. I'll survive!
 
10lana said:
While I agree Jordan Schroder should get a run sooner rather than later he is the antithesis of an inside mid and especially to the role varoce plays and while I like Thurlow, his game against port wasn't any thing special and from all reports his form in the VFL has been good but not great.

I am also really worried that Christensen and Caddy might suffer the same form issues that Motlop face, especially if they';re not enough given time to build up form in the 2nds. Unfortunately the cupboards a little bare at the moment, if there was an obvious switch he would have been dropped by now.
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So 26 possessions in a losing side still isn't good enough for him to take Varcoe's spot, that's what you're saying,.. really!:confused:
The nonsense you espouse is that Varcoe plays an inside game and JS doesn't??....do you honestly believe Varcoe is a Joel Selwood type of player?..I know there's some deluded people here that will defend him to the bitter end, but those statements are just ridiculous and a malicious distortion of the truth, which is typical!

Schroder has been averaging 20-30 every week kicking a few as well and since a setback Thurlow's form was very good last week, his marking was excellent, his form is about where Jed Bews was,
These two guys are languishing and being wasted atm all because they won't drop the carpark attendant.

Anyone who still thinks he's necessary for Geelong to win must be plain fools, considering he's hardly played a half decent game since he returned midway through last year before finally stuffing us in the prelim.
 
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Why is everyone obsessed with Schroeder and his cheap stats?

They play completely different roles.

Are there just more people out there than i realise, who truly believe "midfield" is a current universal position that 80% of the team plays in?
 
vealesy said:
Why is everyone obsessed with Schroeder and his cheap stats?

They play completely different roles.

Are there just more people out there than i realise, who truly believe "midfield" is a current universal position that 80% of the team plays in?
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What's the name of the role where you stand on your heels when the ball's in dispute or in the opponents hands and only get involved when a handball receive is on offer?

Poll results are unbelievable. I'd take pick 25 for Varcoe.
 
David the Cat said:
Stick your head out on Varcoe CE and you can bet you'll get kicked. Their like vultures.
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*They're

On the flip side, I've been questioning Varcoe's worth for years.. I used to get kicked when the 'masses' on here hadn't yet decided he wasn't much chop.

See, it's forum members like yourself who don't post your opinion through fear of ridicule. Plenty of people have been correct on Varcoe for years! It seems to me that only post his miss in the Preliminary final are people off the wagon and joining the new herd of sheep.

The fact that only 20% on here would take the top 10 draft choice for Varcoe (at Aug 2013) shows how clueless most of you are / were.
 
It seems to not matter what the performances of various players are, if we lose it's always the same few players being questioned. Basically it doesn't matter what they do it's Blicavs and Varcoe that should be dropped.

Just for comparisons sake. Here are the stats of two players on the weekend:

Player 1: 10 kicks, 5 HB, 80% DE, 2 Clangers, 8 Marks
Player 2: 6 kicks, 8 HB, 92.9% DE, 0 Clangers, 5 Marks, 2 Goals

The first one is Jed Bews who was praised widely. Now for a first gamer he looked pretty good apart from a couple of very poor turnovers. The other one is Varcoe whose stats are basically the same. The main difference between the 2 is that Varcoe used the ball better, in fact Varcoe had the highest disposal efficiency of any player apart from Sheringham as sub.

Yet people are lauding Bews and saying it's clear Varcoe should be dropped. Realistically Varcoe had a really solid game, defending solidly, using the ball well and hitting the scoreboard. Over the year he's averaging a goal a game, over 5 tackles a game and about 14 touches. For a guy who doesn't get much cheap ball those are solid numbers. It's just another case of a guy playing his role for the team and not being appreciated for it. Dropping him based on current form would be ridiculous. I'm sure after 20 games Bews will start copping similar misplaced invective.
 
Footy Smarts said:
It seems to not matter what the performances of various players are, if we lose it's always the same few players being questioned. Basically it doesn't matter what they do it's Blicavs and Varcoe that should be dropped.

Just for comparisons sake. Here are the stats of two players on the weekend:

Player 1: 10 kicks, 5 HB, 80% DE, 2 Clangers, 8 Marks
Player 2: 6 kicks, 8 HB, 92.9% DE, 0 Clangers, 5 Marks, 2 Goals

The first one is Jed Bews who was praised widely. Now for a first gamer he looked pretty good apart from a couple of very poor turnovers. The other one is Varcoe whose stats are basically the same. The main difference between the 2 is that Varcoe used the ball better, in fact Varcoe had the highest disposal efficiency of any player apart from Sheringham as sub.

Yet people are lauding Bews and saying it's clear Varcoe should be dropped. Realistically Varcoe had a really solid game, defending solidly, using the ball well and hitting the scoreboard. Over the year he's averaging a goal a game, over 5 tackles a game and about 14 touches. For a guy who doesn't get much cheap ball those are solid numbers. It's just another case of a guy playing his role for the team and not being appreciated for it. Dropping him based on current form would be ridiculous. I'm sure after 20 games Bews will start copping similar misplaced invective.
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You're kidding right?

Player 1: 123 Games
Player 2: 1 Game

And you think a guy playing midfield is comparable to a defender? Varcoe was as soft as butter in midfield. Why Scott persists with him there I'll simply never understand. It killed us late last year.

I wouldn't consider Varcoe 'played his role' at all. He was one of the main contributors to our biggest issue of the game, our inability to get numbers to stoppages and COMPETE. He's soft. He jogged around waiting for someone else to get the ball for him, which is what he normally does, it's just that he had some close friends on Saturday night. He's a 120 game player that shows no leadership on-field. A player who NEVER lifts when the team is down. A player who looks a million dollars when the team is working hard. We can simply never rely on him to lift when the chips are down.

I thought he looked pretty good for the first few games of 2014. He was harder around the ball and looked like a guy who got a fright over the off season. That seems to have faded... He's as complacent as ever now and doesn't deserve his spot.

My biggest issue with all of this? He's a protected species. Our club will not play him in the VFL for some BS reason... They try to trade the guy then play him in the AFL straight off the bat?? It does no good for him personally or the club. Stupidity. I don't care if his ego or precious feelings couldn't handle being dropped, it needs to happen.
 
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Varcoe had zero possessions when the game was on the line in the first quarter, he was not alone in a poor performance but it is not the first time for him.

Elements to his game have been ok this year which makes it all the more infuriating that he is being allowed to play the game purely on his terms and not commit his body like every other Geelong player is. It is pretty simple stuff.

If he can just improve in that area and stop with the ridiculous handballs we may have a pretty handy player by the end of the year. But I don't think he will get the message without a month in the seconds. He has been pampered by the coaches and senior players for so long I don't think they can even see now bad it has got.
 
I've defended Varcoe for years... He's had good patches.

He has had some injuries and it takes time to get back into it after injuries. But he has had the time.

I'm done with him now. Doesn't seem to want the ball. Doesn't have any intensity. Seems lazy and completely disinterested.
 
The Pivotonian said:
Or an an ostrich with its head in the sand.

To continue with the avian theme.
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There's no middle ground with Varcoe, is there?
People on either side of the argument seem to engage in almost every logical fallacy going.
And the Selective Observation each side uses seems to make it absolutely impossible to ever reach any consensus about what he actually does, let alone what he should be doing, or what the MC expects him to do.

At the end of the day, the important thing is that he continues to get a game, and there is no sign of this changing, so the whole argument really becomes moot.
 
meto said:
So 26 possessions in a losing side still isn't good enough for him to take Varcoe's spot, that's what you're saying,.. really!:confused:
The nonsense you espouse is that Varcoe plays an inside game and JS doesn't??....do you honestly believe Varcoe is a Joel Selwood type of player?..I know there's some deluded people here that will defend him to the bitter end, but those statements are just ridiculous and a malicious distortion of the truth, which is typical!
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Schroder had 14 tackles to go with the 26 touches too. Fair effort I would have thought.
 
PatrickBateman said:
My biggest issue with all of this? He's a protected species. Our club will not play him in the VFL for some BS reason... They try to trade the guy then play him in the AFL straight off the bat?? It does no good for him personally or the club. Stupidity. I don't care if his ego or precious feelings couldn't handle being dropped, it needs to happen.
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Exactly. Well said. The problem is he's not the only one they just won't consider dropping. You can argue it's no problem when they keep winning (and to an extent that's fair enough). When you've played poorly 3 weeks in a row, and been thrashed by genuine top teams in two of those three games, those concerns become valid.
 
We should always drop players who kick 2 goals, get 16 possessions and use the ball at 92%DE. After a game like that we should actually break their legs.
 

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Berserker26 said:
We should always drop players who kick 2 goals, get 16 possessions and use the ball at 92%DE. After a game like that we should actually break their legs.
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But did he actually look like impacting the outcome of the game? No How was his defensive work, his tackling and his "break the game open" speed?

I've been a TV defender for years. He finally lost me in the Freo game - there was an obvious lack of endevour that DE doesn't show.
 
He was far from the worst on the weekend, he actually showed some good signs. This week I hope he plays better, and then better again the week after. This shouldn't be difficult as he's coming from a low base or performance of the last 18 months
 
Cheshire Cat said:
He was far from the worst on the weekend, he actually showed some good signs. This week I hope he plays better, and then better again the week after. This shouldn't be difficult as he's coming from a low base or performance of the last 18 months
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I was hoping that after the start of this season .........
 
Cheshire Cat said:
He was far from the worst on the weekend, he actually showed some good signs. This week I hope he plays better, and then better again the week after. This shouldn't be difficult as he's coming from a low base or performance of the last 18 months
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We all know what repeating the same thing but expecting a different outcome is the defenition of.
Insipid is not acceptable at the Cattery , something needs to change. We've all "hoped" long enough.
We've run him as the Sub before , it's time to give him a spell in the 2's and give him the Mackie speech.
There's plenty of talent to jig the team around for a few weeks while he finds his mojo.
 
Farmer2Goggin said:
We all know what repeating the same thing but expecting a different outcome is the defenition of.
Insipid is not acceptable at the Cattery , something needs to change. We've all "hoped" long enough.
We've run him as the Sub before , it's time to give him a spell in the 2's and give him the Mackie speech.
There's plenty of talent to jig the team around for a few weeks while he finds his mojo.
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indeed - but if being put on the trade table wasn't enough then will a stint in the Magoos do it?
 
FredLeDeux said:
There's no middle ground with Varcoe, is there?
People on either side of the argument seem to engage in almost every logical fallacy going.
And the Selective Observation each side uses seems to make it absolutely impossible to ever reach any consensus about what he actually does, let alone what he should be doing, or what the MC expects him to do.

At the end of the day, the important thing is that he continues to get a game, and there is no sign of this changing, so the whole argument really becomes moot.
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this thread should have been locked after your post...succinctly put.:thumbsu:
 

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