Trigg on Crows draw

[Fred Phillis]

Trigg not happy about all Vic clubs playing in home state in the final round next year...

"The situation where no Victorian team travels in round 22 of 2005, and indeed rarely in the past few years, is a farce.
"It's an absolute farce simply because those clubs aren't actually submitting a specific request... for there to be a stay at home factor.
"In the absence of that, why every Victorian club stays home in round 22 and the non-Victorian clubs get to do the long trek around the country is just absolutely bemusing.
"The final (round) scenario is way out of order.
"We will register exactly how we feel about it as a club, and the other non-Victorian clubs will be encouraged to do the same because it's not right ... it has become ridiculous."
"We had a draft of the fixture served up a fortnight ago, with Collingwood here in round 22 preceded by a trip to Perth in round 21.
"On the eve of having it published, guess what - we find ourselves playing in Perth in round 22 for the the third time in five years.
"The only time we haven't been over there is when we specifically requested to play Port Adelaide at AAMI Stadium.
"The answer is not plausible, it's not forthcoming from the AFL and it needs to be addressed.
"Three times in the last five years is more than a coincidence.
"And what it means is Victorian clubs, somehow out of the request process, are getting their way in terms of staying at home in round 22."

 

[Tyson20]

well said Triggy! Stick it up em...hmm if we're no chance of making the finals by Rnd 22, maybe we should boycott the game, and cost the AFL some revenue! (Mind you, it would also cost West Coast, but maybe we could come to some agreement!)

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

I totally understand everything he is saying and it infuriates me endlessly that the Victorians seem to always get a good run but the AFL are on a hiding to nothing, there is no possible way they can satisfy everyone.
We complained about having to travel interstate before the finals so then they posted a showdown in round 22 and they were again critised about that too.
There is no perfect answer to situation, I think the fact that we have travelled to Perth 3-5 years is the fact that we are the closet team to Perth so the travel should not be as much as an insure as it is to other sides. I know its bollocks but there is not much we can do about it.
The draw is always going to draw critism from nearly every club (bar the AFL magpies)
I just say we lump it and get on with preparing for 2005 as best as we can.

 

[Fred Phillis]

the best bit is to come....demetriou says:

"The Adelaide Crows play four games at home before that game so four out of the last five in Adelaide is a pretty good effort I think.
"I think they'd be pretty pleased having four of the last five in Adelaide.
"We have got 10 in Victoria and we have tried to find a balance there but in fairness, both Perth teams and both South Australian teams are not travelling that far - they are going Perth-Adelaide, Adelaide-Perth."

not travelling that far?? gimme some of what he's on!!

 

[Tyson20]

the best bit is to come....demetriou says:

"The Adelaide Crows play four games at home before that game so four out of the last five in Adelaide is a pretty good effort I think.
"I think they'd be pretty pleased having four of the last five in Adelaide.
"We have got 10 in Victoria and we have tried to find a balance there but in fairness, both Perth teams and both South Australian teams are not travelling that far - they are going Perth-Adelaide, Adelaide-Perth."

not travelling that far?? gimme some of what he's on!!

The guys off with the fairies...scary that he is actually running the game! (or should that be ruining the game!)

There is no way that the AFC should just "lump it!" Its the off season, and we should be whinging as much as we can (to the AFL preferably) so that this farce does not happen again. I mean surely the AFL were aware that it would be the 3rd time in 5 years that we would have travelled to Perth in Rnd 22 (considering we bitched and moaned about it 3 years ago) so sending the Power to Perth and a WA side to play us at AAMI would have been far more logical (to me anyway).

Mind you, i don think any of the SA sides should have to travel to Perth in Rnd 22, but given the AFL have decided that it will be WA v SA in the last round, surely it was "fair" to send Port instead of us as we have done it previously and recently!

Clearly the AFL need to find themselves a clue!

Ahhhhh thats better!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Trigg not happy about all Vic clubs playing in home state in the final round next year...

"The situation where no Victorian team travels in round 22 of 2005, and indeed rarely in the past few years, is a farce.
"It's an absolute farce simply because those clubs aren't actually submitting a specific request... for there to be a stay at home factor.
"In the absence of that, why every Victorian club stays home in round 22 and the non-Victorian clubs get to do the long trek around the country is just absolutely bemusing.
"The final (round) scenario is way out of order.
"We will register exactly how we feel about it as a club, and the other non-Victorian clubs will be encouraged to do the same because it's not right ... it has become ridiculous."
"We had a draft of the fixture served up a fortnight ago, with Collingwood here in round 22 preceded by a trip to Perth in round 21.
"On the eve of having it published, guess what - we find ourselves playing in Perth in round 22 for the the third time in five years.
"The only time we haven't been over there is when we specifically requested to play Port Adelaide at AAMI Stadium.
"The answer is not plausible, it's not forthcoming from the AFL and it needs to be addressed.
"Three times in the last five years is more than a coincidence.
"And what it means is Victorian clubs, somehow out of the request process, are getting their way in terms of staying at home in round 22."

GO YOU GOOD THING!!!!!!

I told you Triggy was one ********ed off man about this

 

[Stiffy_18]

the best bit is to come....demetriou says:

"The Adelaide Crows play four games at home before that game so four out of the last five in Adelaide is a pretty good effort I think.
"I think they'd be pretty pleased having four of the last five in Adelaide.
"We have got 10 in Victoria and we have tried to find a balance there but in fairness, both Perth teams and both South Australian teams are not travelling that far - they are going Perth-Adelaide, Adelaide-Perth."

not travelling that far?? gimme some of what he's on!!

He is off with the fairies

 

[Cap]

The guys off with the fairies...scary that he is actually running the game! (or should that be ruining the game!)

There is no way that the AFC should just "lump it!" Its the off season, and we should be whinging as much as we can (to the AFL preferably) so that this farce does not happen again. I mean surely the AFL were aware that it would be the 3rd time in 5 years that we would have travelled to Perth in Rnd 22 (considering we bitched and moaned about it 3 years ago) so sending the Power to Perth and a WA side to play us at AAMI would have been far more logical (to me anyway).

Mind you, i don think any of the SA sides should have to travel to Perth in Rnd 22, but given the AFL have decided that it will be WA v SA in the last round, surely it was "fair" to send Port instead of us as we have done it previously and recently!

Clearly the AFL need to find themselves a clue!

Ahhhhh thats better!

he is such a ********ing mafia boss these days (AD that is )

 

[drakeyv2]

I still want to know why the team that finishes 12th gets to play 4 teams that finished in the 8 twice & the team that came top only plays 2.

The draw isn't about fairness anyway. It is all about maximising profit & punishing clubs that don't tow the AFL line to the letter. I thought they had stopped even pretending it was supposed to be fair.

 

[Jars458]

I still want to know why the team that finishes 12th gets to play 4 teams that finished in the 8 twice & the team that came top only plays 2.

The draw isn't about fairness anyway. It is all about maximising profit & punishing clubs that don't tow the AFL line to the letter. I thought they had stopped even pretending it was supposed to be fair.

Its based on the ladder at the end of round 15

 

[drakeyv2]

Its based on the ladder at the end of round 15

Can you please explain this?

I just had a look at the ladder at the end of round 15 & we play 4 teams twice that were in the 8 at this time & the PAPs play 3.

 

[mymansyd]

Its based on the ladder at the end of round 15

Only difference between R15 and R22 Top-8's was Eagles in, Kangaroos out.

Therefore, Port still only play 3 teams in the top-8 & we still play 4. Completely unfair.

Agree with previous posts. AFL only cares about $$$$$$$$$$$, not fairness.

 

[Port01]

Only difference between R15 and R22 Top-8's was Eagles in, Kangaroos out.

Therefore, Port still only play 3 teams in the top-8 & we still play 4. Completely unfair.

Agree with previous posts. AFL only cares about $$$$$$$$$$$, not fairness.

If you take out the guaranteed 2 showdowns then it is 3 each We can't be blamed for you not making the finals and vice versa.

 

[Still Crowing]

I still want to know why the team that finishes 12th gets to play 4 teams that finished in the 8 twice & the team that came top only plays 2.

The draw isn't about fairness anyway. It is all about maximising profit & punishing clubs that don't tow the AFL line to the letter. I thought they had stopped even pretending it was supposed to be fair.

All of which is fair enough, I just wish the AFL and Vlad would admit it instead of carrying on with these half truths and horse nuggets. If the goal is to maximise profits and crowds, whilst punishing those clubs who've p|ssed off the AFL or have a small power base, then fine, just come out and say it. Nothing p|sses me off more than the AFL trying to 'spin doctor' its crappy decisions. They are fooling no one, except perhaps those that take what Master McChins says at face value.

 

[Jars458]

Can you please explain this?

I just had a look at the ladder at the end of round 15 & we play 4 teams twice that were in the 8 at this time & the PAPs play 3.

As you play seven teams twice you either get 4-3 or 3-4

You would think the lower teams should get 3-4 notwithstanding the two showdowns.

 

[jmorg1]

the best bit is to come....demetriou says:

"The Adelaide Crows play four games at home before that game so four out of the last five in Adelaide is a pretty good effort I think.
"I think they'd be pretty pleased having four of the last five in Adelaide.
"We have got 10 in Victoria and we have tried to find a balance there but in fairness, both Perth teams and both South Australian teams are not travelling that far - they are going Perth-Adelaide, Adelaide-Perth."

not travelling that far?? gimme some of what he's on!!

That comment from Demetrio is up there with his comment that Brisbane playing their prelim on a Saturday night would give the Lions more time to prepare for Geelong. Seriously, the guy is a joke. Bring back Wayne Jackson.

 

[dA Crow]

If you take out the guaranteed 2 showdowns then it is 3 each We can't be blamed for you not making the finals and vice versa.

no no no.... I find myself agreeing with a swampy !&!%^@* what is happening to me !!! Agghhhhhhh

 

[jmorg1]

If you take out the guaranteed 2 showdowns then it is 3 each We can't be blamed for you not making the finals and vice versa.

Ok so it's 3 each. Still Port finished on top and should play the top eight teams twice more than lowly us don't you think?

Ah who cares anyway, not like we'll do much next year apart from hoping the young players continue some sort of development.

 

[Tyson20]

Ah who cares anyway, not like we'll do much next year apart from hoping the young players continue some sort of development.

and playing against good side will certainly help, rather than hinder, their progress IMO!

 

[Cap]

is anyone else happy that we didnt get anymore friday night games
they empty the weekend all done by friday night !!

 

[Tyson20]

is anyone else happy that we didnt get anymore friday night games
they empty the weekend all done by friday night !!

would have liked one at AAMI, but overall, im not too fussed about Friday night games! Overated...

 

[drakeyv2]

The draw isn't about fairness anyway. It is all about maximising profit & punishing clubs that don't tow the AFL line to the letter. I thought they had stopped even pretending it was supposed to be fair.

From the AFL site. they don't just punish clubs.

The Melbourne Cricket Club has paid a heavy price for its failure to allow the AFL to transfer this year's preliminary final between Geelong and Brisbane to the Gabba with the MCG allocated seven less games than Telstra Dome in the 2005 fixture released on Thursday.

While the MCG will host 42 games in 2005 - one more than the minimum 41 the AFL is contracted to supply each season - Telstra Dome will host 49, well above its minimum number of 42.

And while the MCG still has the game's biggest matches such as the annual Essendon-Collingwood Anzac Day and Melbourne-Collingwood Queen's Birthday games - it has also been allocated plenty of matches that would appear to be potentially low-drawing games.

For example both Fremantle and West Coast - neither of whom are big crowd pullers in Melbourne - both play four games at the MCG and only one each at Telstra Dome.

And in a further slap in the face for the MCG - the sole match scheduled between its two longest serving tenants in Richmond and Melbourne - will be played at Telstra Dome in 2005.

Ben Buckley, the AFL's general manager of broadcasting and major projects, admitted the league would have scheduled more home and away games at the MCG in 2005 had the MCC allowed it to switch the Brisbane-Geelong preliminary final to the Gabba in September instead of insisting it stayed at the MCG.

"Quite clearly if we had of come to some sort of an arrangement (regarding finals scheduling) that would have been reflected in the (home and away) fixture," Buckley said.

The MCC insisted the Geelong-Brisbane preliminary final be played at the MCG under its finals agreement with the AFL in which the league agreed to play one preliminary final at the ground each season until 2032.

But with Port and Brisbane finishing in the top two on the ladder, the league wanted to stage both preliminary finals away from the MCG this season to reward both clubs with home finals.

Despite the long-running saga still not being resolved, Buckley denied the MCG had been disadvantaged in next year's draw in terms of the quality of games it had received.

"Our obligation is to schedule what we think are 10 of the best 12 games of the season there and we think we have got at least 12 of the best games next year at the MCG," he said.

Buckley said the reason the Western Australian clubs played more matches at the MCG than Telstra Dome next year was because MCG matches were generally played during the day and Dome matches at night and the Western Australian clubs were usually allocated day games when they play in Victoria to enable them to make the long flight back to Perth later that night.

"There seems to be a pre-conception that all the non-Victorian teams should play at Telstra Dome instead of the MCG but that is not always the right way to schedule it," he said.

AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said while there were more games at Telstra Dome than the MCG next year, the MCG was not being short-changed and hadn't been since the current agreement came into force when the Great Southern Stand opened in 1992.

"Since 1992 when the Great Southern Stand opened we have averaged 46 premiership games a year there, above our contracted 41, so that is an extra 75 home and away games," Demetriou said.

"And we have played 17 more finals above what we are contracted for in that period as well."

Demetriou said those extra games had delivered around an extra nine million fans through the MCG gates since 1992.

The AFL boss however said he welcomed the fact the MCC plans to soon begin talks with the league over ways to solve the finals impasse.

"We are pleased they have said they want to open up dialogue again and we will just wait and see what comes of it."

"But the AFL won't be giving up anything, we will just wait and see what the MCC wants."

 

[drakeyv2]

would have liked one at AAMI, but overall, im not too fussed about Friday night games! Overated...

I love Friday night games.

Much better than 12.40pm Sunday!!!!!!!

 

[tztommo]

I think if the victorian teams should play home last game most years they should have 2 more interstate games that year. I think adelaide should be demanding a better fixture.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

the best bit is to come....demetriou says:

"The Adelaide Crows play four games at home before that game so four out of the last five in Adelaide is a pretty good effort I think.
"I think they'd be pretty pleased having four of the last five in Adelaide.
"We have got 10 in Victoria and we have tried to find a balance there but in fairness, both Perth teams and both South Australian teams are not travelling that far - they are going Perth-Adelaide, Adelaide-Perth."

not travelling that far?? gimme some of what he's on!!

It's not far having a return trip from Adelaide to Perth, but it is too far for a Victorian club to go from Melbourne to Adelaide or Sydney?

I'm actually surprised with Port winning the flag that the VAFL didn't make them travel to WA in the last round to upset their final campaign.

The only thing worse than AD being CEO is his joke of an Ops manager.