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Is it better to miss a call that's there, or make a call for something that's not there?They could make it easier on themselves with a bit of feeling for the game.
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Is it better to miss a call that's there, or make a call for something that's not there?They could make it easier on themselves with a bit of feeling for the game.
Is it better to miss a call that's there, or make a call for something that's not there?
Yep, and everyone will look at the free kick count and say Carlton had the better of it ...I enjoyed us being on the receiving end of some excellent calls when the game was well over in the last. Brilliantly officiated.....
If you look closely at the Kennedy one, he's the player that's actually trying to get it out, but it's the port player holding it in. How the f**k can the umpire decide that's Kennedy's fault? Kennedy didn't dive on it, he didn't "drag it in" and he had absolutely no prior opportunity. So basically the free here is "not strong enough to wrench the ball free from an opponent determined to keep it in".This is not to criticise the umpires, but the game has far too many rules that are open to discretionary interpretations.
Example A: Kennedy is tackled straight away, his opponent's intent is only to pin the ball to him, clearly not coming out, no whistle blown, pinged for no genuine attempt while attempting to shake the tackle.
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Example B: Rozee is tackled straight away, Ed's intent is to pin the ball in, clearly not coming out, whistle instantly blown for a ball up while Rozee lays motionless.
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You could argue both are correct, reverse the decisions, make new arguments in support, and be technically correct in every instance.
If a rule isn't going to be applied on every occasion, then it isn't needed.
I and others have mentioned the Sicily throw in our game on Sunday that not only cost the blues an easy shot on goal, but also resulted in a goal at the other end. I tried to make a gif of it, but the resolution becomes so poor that you can't really see it properly (was a long camera shot, so you need hi-def to see it properly).
But this one from the Saint's game is just completely absurd:
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I mean OK, the player makes contact with the ball using his left fist, but ALL of the ball's momentum and direction is dictated by the right hand. This one also resulted in a goal.
I've mentioned before that I think policing this sort of thing couldn't be easier, "if both hands are moving in the direction that the ball takes, it's a throw, regardless of a fist making contact". In that situation, it's simply impossible to tell whether the ball is being given its impetus by the punching hand or the holding hand. You see it most commonly when players scoop the ball off the ground with 2 hands, make a fist with one, and toss the ball to a teammate.
But seriously, if the AFL aren't going to treat this one as a throw, then they might as well just scratch the rule and let players throw the ball to each other.
This was originally actually a thread because I was curious about whether the AFL had given new instructions about the illegal disposal rule. I wasn't making a comment on the umpiring at all. It's a shame it's been buried in here now, so there'll be hardly any discussion about it.I swear I heard the commentators mentioning a change in the interpretation of the handpass rule during our game, saying something along the lines that as long as a fist hits the ball then it’s ok,
SameI didn't even know this thread existed, but given the OP, I would like to put on record the fact that there is a massive conspiracy against Carlton, both amongst the umpires and the footy media, and anyone who thinks otherwise has their head in the sand and is a woke soy-boy beta libtard.
I don't think there's any difference in the umpiring. I'll still notice and comment on poor/missed calls, but when you're winning, you tend to focus more on the positives and can move on quicker from the negatives.It's amazing how much better the umpires appear to be when our team is competitive and having a dip.
It's almost like we (I) have been using them as an excuse previously rather than admit to our teams deficiencies.
Nah - we wouldn't do that would we?
But I'll also add my weight to the massive AFL/umpiring conspiracy against Carlton. Been happening for years. No other explanation for why we've been so poor for so long.
Every umpire secretly barracks for all the other teams...........I don't think there's any difference in the umpiring. I'll still notice and comment on poor/missed calls, but when you're winning, you tend to focus more on the positives and can move on quicker from the negatives.
But I'll also add my weight to the massive AFL/umpiring conspiracy against Carlton. Been happening for years. No other explanation for why we've been so poor for so long.
Throw the ball up at all times.
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I say the opposite, always bounce it. The balls shape and resultant influence of its impact with the ground as well as the foot is meant to be part of the game.Throw the ball up at all times.
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The whole point of a ruck contest is that it's supposed to be a 50/50 contest. Neither side has possession and both sides have an equal chance to win the ball back.I say the opposite, always bounce it. The balls shape and resultant influence of its impact with the ground as well as the foot is meant to be part of the game.
Bang. Next they'll want a roof over the ground. Boo Hoo, I'm cold and wet!I say the opposite, always bounce it. The balls shape and resultant influence of its impact with the ground as well as the foot is meant to be part of the game.
It worked fine for a hundred years and more.The whole point of a ruck contest is that it's supposed to be a 50/50 contest. Neither side has possession and both sides have an equal chance to win the ball back.
Pitto has been penalised for blocking numerous times this year simply because of the umpire's poor bounce. That's five or six 50/50 contests that we've lost through no fault of our ruck. That's not including all the ones that have been called back, or perhaps should have been called back, but weren't.
An umpire isn't supposed to favour either side, whether deliberately or, in the case of the bounce, unintentionally. It shouldn't take skill and practice (and fingers crossed) to resume play in a neutral manner. The awkward bounce is still there during normal play, when it's influenced by the player's actions. It shouldn't have an influence during neutral parts of the game when being controlled by an umpire.