General Bombers Talk Umpires

[Slattery_20]

Lol what a hero you are, please enlighten us all with your pearls of wisdom.

Read page 4, 5, or the post you quoted.

They all say the same thing.

The video replay, and the field umpire's opinion, did nothing in this case.

You're complaining like the decision was a) wrong and b) would've been different under any of the old systems - neither are the case.

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

Maggots.

 

[Kaiser Powser]

The ball was definitely touched.

I was unaware that the goal umpire was going to rule the ball touched. At the game it looked like he was going to award a goal.

It makes 100% sense to go with the goal umpires decision if replays prove inconclusive.

Let's just move on.

Does anyone else think that the video review has made a poor start?

All it has added in this game is frustration. If an umpire was sure it was touched, as someone has posted, then why review it? And the fact that it cannot pick up what was apparantely an obvious touch, is quite alarming.

On Friday they reviewed a touched-on-the-line call, that the ump was going to signal as a goal to Hawthorn. the video was completely inconclusive, yet the "3rd umpire" guy, says, "touched one behind" like it was the most obvious thing in the world. I swear he plucked it out of his arse. I thought 'massive fail' right there.

Unless this technology makes a dramatic turn around, I can't see it continuing.

 

[fishardansin]

I agree with you, Kebab - completely.

Merely saying that free kick count in its own right means nothing and it annoys me when people quote it without context and examples.

There certainly is some truth to that. However, in conjunction with other stats you can guess what the free kick count should be. Fact is we had a massive advantage on clearances which suggests that we were first to the ball most of the night. This should translate into a free kick count favouring us.

Over all though I don't think the umpires gave North a massive rub of the green. There were a lot of annoying ones their way through the game and Petrie's and Thomases dives, when they started the shoving match, really REALLY piss me off. In fact I feel North got two rubbish frees given against them right at the end. The too high, to Howlett I think, and the holding the ball in their forward line were a joke.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Read page 4, 5, or the post you quoted.

They all say the same thing.

The video replay, and the field umpire's opinion, did nothing in this case.

You're complaining like the decision was a) wrong and b) would've been different under any of the old systems - neither are the case.

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/76/default.aspx#playvideo#playvideo

highlights/page 4/review system controversy

I think the decision was completely wrong, not based on the current rules but the spirit of the game and should be moved to be recified. The umpires that make the call are completely in the wrong position, the goal umpire is on the move and says "I reckon it was touched", not definitive. The ball makes no deviation. The umpire looks to be making the call on pure probability that the 30cm ball would most likely touch going through a 35-40cm gap in a players arms.

Also I would like the 3rd umpires decision to be absolute, take the pressure off umpires and put it on faceless men in the box.

I would never like to see the day where the field umpires can actually over-rule with no corroborating evidence.
Obviously you people think Bannister, Stevic Nicholls et al don't have enough power.
Weird.

Not sure why you'd prefer to see them get less power if it meant more correct decisions, just seems like hating on the umpires for no reason.

 

[fairlight_cmi]

Probs looks a bit different on TV, you don't see some of the ones they DON'T pay.

 

[bergerson33]

All this talk about the umpires having an ongoing bias against Essendon is just embarrassing. We're all passionate about the Bombers, but this type of purely emotional argument is pointless.

I was at the game and yes, I wasn't happy at the time.
Watching the replay, most of it wasn't that bad once I slipped my Bomber goggles off. The Hurley free against when he crashed the pack was the only one I was really questioning but you've gotta expect a couple of bad calls a game.

Would be nice if this board could accept that not all umpiring calls are going to go our way, the umpires didn't almost cost us the game,we almost cost ourselves the game by not being able to close it out.

Hope this thread isn't going to be a trend for the year like last year on this board. I think it may end up worse this year though, we've got the Michael Hurley - Is he going to cop poor umpiring for his entire career? Thread going in tandem with this one.

 

[Summer Nights]

To be fair, a lot of supporters are still mightily peeved over the horrendous umpiring from last year, which (imo) cost us at least a couple of games (v Sydney, v Carlton first time and v North). There were also numerous games where we were absolutely r*ped, but didn't affect the outcome (ANZAC day, v West Coast BOTH times, v Gold Coast). I think we got the rub against Bulldogs and Brisbane, but overall it was the worst year of umpiring in my lifetime.

This year I'm trying to be more positive and not focus on the umpiring. I didn't go to the game, but to me the replay didn't look that bad except for a few dodgy calls, but then North also copped a few dodgy ones too. As Kong mentioned, there's a lot you don't see on the replay, and at the ground you can really see the difference between the fair opposition defenders and the blatant cheating ones, such as Collingwood (Reid, Sidebottom, Tarrant) and North.

Anyway, being angry about the umpires takes away the enjoyment a bit, so I'm trying to grow the **** up. Mmmkay?

 

[ant555]

Re: Delusional Pearlers II

Pretty sure the free kick "that cost North the game " was the Watson goal after the North bloke was pinged for running too far.

Maybe they need to watch the second and last quarters again where we wasted countless shots at goal. Anyone with even a sun dried tomato for a brain would be able to see that even if we nailed just 2 of the early shots in the last quarter the game would be over.

 

[Dave]

Re: Delusional Pearlers II

Pretty sure the free kick "that cost North the game " was the Watson goal after the North bloke was pinged for running too far.

Problem is, he did run too far. Despite the commentry team counting his steps and declaring him ok, he ran from the goal square (he kicked to himself) to around 5 metres short of the 50, with one bounce. Anyway you cut it he had to have run more than 15m without a bounce at some point.

 

[fishardansin]

Re: Delusional Pearlers II

Problem is, he did run too far. Despite the commentry team counting his steps and declaring him ok, he ran from the goal square (he kicked to himself) to around 5 metres short of the 50, with one bounce. Anyway you cut it he had to have run more than 15m without a bounce at some point.

No way that was too far.

 

[Kong]

I'm not typing in anger, or even going out of my way to criticise the umps here, but I have to say something.

- If that "running too far" free against Thompson/goal to Watson is what they're pinning their loss on, they're incorrect. I know the commentators counted out loud, but they were wrong. I watched that vision 4 or 5 times, slowed it down and made sure. It was 17 and a half steps, possibly 18. Allowing for the "15 metres, not steps" clause, he still travelled from around the goal square to near the 50 metre line. Either way, he ran too far.

- If we want to get technical about it, when Leigh Adams sold Fletch some candy and ran into goal (which was a great goal, by the way), he actually ran 18 steps. Again, I slowed it down and watched it 2 or 3 times, because I thought I must've missed him bouncing it. Nope. He ran a solid 18 steps, before slotting it.

 

[Slattery_20]

You get away with it running into goal. Umpires don't wanna look like massive jerks pulling it back after a goal. cf the Yarran one Thursday night ran about 50m, with one bounce.


North guy clearly ran 15m. Steps has nothing to do with it.

 

[daffo]

I called 'too far' on that Leigh Adams goal. My g/f just laughed at me.

 

[yaco55]

Thompson clearly ran too far - Brain fade by Thompson - Good call by the umpire.