Umpiring

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All you umpire baggers out there, have you ever left a game thinking, "Gee, we really got the better decisions today." If not, there are three possibilities. 1. That just by sheer luck Collingwood has never gotten the better umpiring outcome. 2. That there is an umpiring conspiracy against Collingwood that has been going on for as long as you have been watching footy. 3. You can't see beyond your own bias to assess umpiring.

I am betting on 3.


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[barrackers]

All you umpire baggers out there, have you ever left a game thinking, "Gee, we really got the better decisions today." If not, there are three possibilities. 1. That just by sheer luck Collingwood has never gotten the better umpiring outcome. 2. That there is an umpiring conspiracy against Collingwood that has been going on for as long as you have been watching footy. 3. You can't see beyond your own bias to assess umpiring.

I am betting on 3.


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I'm betting you didn't see the last 10 minutes of the Geelong match. The 2 push in the backs by Hawkins in particular were as blatant as you'll see.

 

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I'm betting you didn't see the last 10 minutes of the Geelong match. The 2 push in the backs by Hawkins in particular were as blatant as you'll see.

Hawkins is very good at using his forearms in the backs of defenders to make position. His strength helps him more than a little in this regard. I thought those instances amid other earlier ones were ok.


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[Helfarch]

All you umpire baggers out there, have you ever left a game thinking, "Gee, we really got the better decisions today." If not, there are three possibilities. 1. That just by sheer luck Collingwood has never gotten the better umpiring outcome. 2. That there is an umpiring conspiracy against Collingwood that has been going on for as long as you have been watching footy. 3. You can't see beyond your own bias to assess umpiring.

I am betting on 3.


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I am all about how shit they are all the time in every game than anything Collingwood specific.

For instance the mics reveal fundamental issues in umpire training and attitudes. Umpires have said that ducking both is and is not prior with the "interpretation" around prior having already changed dramatically in a few rounds.

Telling Greene that they are watching him? What an absolute joke.

Hawkins is very good at using his forearms in the backs of defenders to make position. His strength helps him more than a little in this regard. I thought those instances amid other earlier ones were ok.


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Yeah...no. Putting both arms up and running into the defender hands or forearms is not holding your position it's a push. Especially considering the two players were otherwise not engaged. Same with his knees in the back when the ball isn't anywhere near, he did cop an incorrect one last week (or was that the week before?) but maybe he is "being watched"

 

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I am all about how shit they are all the time in every game than anything Collingwood specific.

For instance the mics reveal fundamental issues in umpire training and attitudes. Umpires have said that ducking both is and is not prior with the "interpretation" around prior having already changed dramatically in a few rounds.

Telling Greene that they are watching him? What an absolute joke.



Yeah...no. Putting both arms up and running into the defender hands or forearms is not holding your position it's a push. Especially considering the two players were otherwise not engaged. Same with his knees in the back when the ball isn't anywhere near, he did cop an incorrect one last week (or was that the week before?) but maybe he is "being watched"

Overall competence is a different argument than "dead set cheats". I too abhor the umpys making comments like the one to Greene. And he wasn't even the umpire who made the report. But I seriously don't notice the umps most of the time.


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[MagpieJoel]

Hawkins is very good at using his forearms in the backs of defenders to make position. His strength helps him more than a little in this regard. I thought those instances amid other earlier ones were ok.


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You're wrong. He starts with his forearms, but ends up using his hands.

 

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You're wrong. He starts with his forearms, but ends up using his hands.

Ok I am wrong. And so are the umpys.


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[Helfarch]

Overall competence is a different argument than "dead set cheats". I too abhor the umpys making comments like the one to Greene. And he wasn't even the umpire who made the report. But I seriously don't notice the umps most of the time.


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There is a large element of how can someone be THAT wrong that turns things into...what exotic bet does that directly effect?

 

[MagpieJoel]

Ok I am wrong. And so are the umpys.

There you go.

 

[Kilmo]

Umps certainly tried their hardest to get Geelong back into this match, fortunately the cats often struggled to get the ribbon off their gifts. In the last 10 minutes:

• Treloar held in the centre, no free, tries to kick it off the ground pinged for kicking endanger - Geelong goal
• Treloar "fell into the back" of a Geelong player - Geelong goal
• Hawkins 2 hands in the back, no free - Geelong point
• Hawkins again 2 hands in the back, no free, forward 50 entry - Geelong point
• Geelong player replicates the action of Treloar against Hoskin-Elliott, no free - Geelong point

Dead set cheats.

Agree and remember all of those events clear as day. It was laughable, especially the Hawkins push in the back multiple times after Treloar got pinged for tackling a player who happened to fall over.

 

[Maggie5]

All you umpire baggers out there, have you ever left a game thinking, "Gee, we really got the better decisions today." If not, there are three possibilities. 1. That just by sheer luck Collingwood has never gotten the better umpiring outcome. 2. That there is an umpiring conspiracy against Collingwood that has been going on for as long as you have been watching footy. 3. You can't see beyond your own bias to assess umpiring.

I am betting on 3.


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Okay, here are my three.

1. Maybe the title could be different
2. Maybe all supporters want is consistency in interpretation
3. Maybe all supporters expect frees to be paid whenever they occur.

I am betting on nos.2 and 3 and 1 is subjective.

Not too hard is it?

 

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Okay, here are my three.

1. Maybe the title could be different
2. Maybe all supporters want is consistency in interpretation
3. Maybe all supporters expect frees to be paid whenever they occur.

I am betting on nos.2 and 3 and 1 is subjective.

Not too hard is it?

Do you think maybe many supporters don't notice or pretty quickly forget missed/wrong decisions that go in their favour? My contention is that it is bias that makes one think umpiring decisions are going against them - when most of the time, these will be judgement/interpretation calls (like a forward marking contest). The team follower will invariably see these in favour of their team - and when the decision goes the other way, it is bad umpiring. When it goes their way, it is ok. This leads to calls of inconsistency and even bias. There are plenty of "gray areas" for umpires - one of the great things about our game, because it is so varied.

In my experience, better judges of football spend less time worrying about or even noticing umpiring decisions compared to the actual play itself.

But yes, I dislike those vocal umpires trying to impose themselves on the game. Carmen was well and truly provoked by Carberry.

 

[Black_White]

My wife can tell you that I don't miss the ones that should go to the opposition.
I call them as well.
I use dead set cheats when I see blatant inconsistency in the umpiring.
Such as Tomahawk using his forearms and not called for in the back after Dunne has been called free against for exactly the same thing. The Dunne decision should have set the standard for the day. As we all saw, it did not.
I use dead set cheats when Tomahawk uses his foot square in the back to push a player out of the marking contest when the ball is over 20 metres away, play on says the ump. Dead set cheat.
As others have pointed out throughout this forum, Cloke now gets the frees we spent a decade calling for, now that he is in different colours of course.
I applaud your skill in being able to participate in forums such as this when you clearly qualify for a loss of sight pension.

 

[Maggie5]

Do you think maybe many supporters don't notice or pretty quickly forget missed/wrong decisions that go in their favour? My contention is that it is bias that makes one think umpiring decisions are going against them - when most of the time, these will be judgement/interpretation calls (like a forward marking contest). The team follower will invariably see these in favour of their team - and when the decision goes the other way, it is bad umpiring. When it goes their way, it is ok. This leads to calls of inconsistency and even bias. There are plenty of "gray areas" for umpires - one of the great things about our game, because it is so varied.

In my experience, better judges of football spend less time worrying about or even noticing umpiring decisions compared to the actual play itself.

But yes, I dislike those vocal umpires trying to impose themselves on the game. Carmen was well and truly provoked by Carberry.

Well, I consider myself a good judge as do the group I go with, and often we have a smirk and say wow, that was lucky, or what was that for when we get a free kick and shake our head and still question the decision, look at the replay to try and see what we missed. So you see, it is not about bias, it is only the interpretation and inconsistency that drives fans mad.

I just like to watch a game that is well umpired and does not influence the game or result, for example I thought the Suns were very unlucky at the end of some missed and poor decisions that were paid to North but not to them.

To be constructive and not concentrate on bias, I am wondering whether they are positioning themselves differently this year and might have a look at that on Friday night.

 

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My wife can tell you that I don't miss the ones that should go to the opposition.
I call them as well.
I use dead set cheats when I see blatant inconsistency in the umpiring.
Such as Tomahawk using his forearms and not called for in the back after Dunne has been called free against for exactly the same thing. The Dunne decision should have set the standard for the day. As we all saw, it did not.
I use dead set cheats when Tomahawk uses his foot square in the back to push a player out of the marking contest when the ball is over 20 metres away, play on says the ump. Dead set cheat.
As others have pointed out throughout this forum, Cloke now gets the frees we spent a decade calling for, now that he is in different colours of course.
I applaud your skill in being able to participate in forums such as this when you clearly qualify for a loss of sight pension.

You know when you "call" things at the footy, and the missus says, "yes dear", she probably isn't really listening?

I guess you could be right about an umpire-wide "dead set cheat" conspiracy against Collingwood. That sort of thing just sounds so reasonable and rational doesn't it?

 

[Maggie5]

You know when you "call" things at the footy, and the missus says, "yes dear", she probably isn't really listening?

I guess you could be right about an umpire-wide "dead set cheat" conspiracy against Collingwood. That sort of thing just sounds so reasonable and rational doesn't it?

Actually, talking at conspiracy theories, I can't shake my perception that umpire No.17 really does hate us.

 

[Black_White]

You know when you "call" things at the footy, and the missus says, "yes dear", she probably isn't really listening?

I guess you could be right about an umpire-wide "dead set cheat" conspiracy against Collingwood. That sort of thing just sounds so reasonable and rational doesn't it?

Well, if you weren't on that vision impaired pension, you would see what most of us see.
And if you did have sight and had actually read the thread you would see that I don't just restrict my views to Collingwood umpiring. Never let facts get in the way of a good rant.
When it all boils down, all we ask for is consistency. When I don't see that, as pointed out earlier, I'm going to call it.

P.S. The Mrs worships the ground I walk on, so she certainly takes note of everything I say.

 

[northpie]

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All you umpire baggers out there, have you ever left a game thinking, "Gee, we really got the better decisions today." If not, there are three possibilities. 1. That just by sheer luck Collingwood has never gotten the better umpiring outcome. 2. That there is an umpiring conspiracy against Collingwood that has been going on for as long as you have been watching footy. 3. You can't see beyond your own bias to assess umpiring.

I am betting on 3.


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As an aside all you Sideswipe baggersbout there, and I expect given the rubbish he puts in his posts there are many, continue to watch the footy any way you want
Maybe put Sswipe on ignore to get back those valuable minute you waste reading his tripe

 

[magpie_marty]

Well, if you weren't on that vision impaired pension, you would see what most of us see.
And if you did have sight and had actually read the thread you would see that I don't just restrict my views to Collingwood umpiring. Never let facts get in the way of a good rant.
When it all boils down, all we ask for is consistency. When I don't see that, as pointed out earlier, I'm going to call it.

P.S. The Mrs worships the ground I walk on, so she certainly takes note of everything I say.

I think the umps had money on Daniher to kick one goal.

 

[loki04]

You know when you "call" things at the footy, and the missus says, "yes dear", she probably isn't really listening?

I guess you could be right about an umpire-wide "dead set cheat" conspiracy against Collingwood. That sort of thing just sounds so reasonable and rational doesn't it?

I think good teams can suck the umps in or hide throws/hands in back/holds better then ave to poor teams.

Also certain players umps tend to fall in love with and never punish or always give the benefit of doubt too, James Hird and Bontempelli get massive ump love for example.

 

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As an aside all you Sideswipe baggersbout there, and I expect given the rubbish he puts in his posts there are many, continue to watch the footy any way you want
Maybe put Sswipe on ignore to get back those valuable minute you waste reading his tripe

A 2011 study commissioned by the AFL
identified a high correlation between umpire bagging and mouth-breathing.


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[Black_White]

I think the umps had money on Daniher to kick one goal.

Well, after he played on and kicked his seventh straight behind, the umpire called it back and let him kick again.
So you may be on to something.
Would he have bought back a Cox miss? I doubt it!
Dead set cheats....

 

[Black_White]

All to

As an aside all you Sideswipe baggersbout there, and I expect given the rubbish he puts in his posts there are many, continue to watch the footy any way you want
Maybe put Sswipe on ignore to get back those valuable minute you waste reading his tripe

Have never, and will never, understand why people put others on ignore.
Don't have to agree with their tripe, just like they don't have to agree with mine, but to exclude them from the conversation smacks of self imposed censorship.
Why would you miss out on the LOLS?
That I'll never understand.

 

[TheSierBear]

I think good teams can suck the umps in or hide throws/hands in back/holds better then ave to poor teams.

Also certain players umps tend to fall in love with and never punish or always give the benefit of doubt too, James Hird and Bontempelli get massive ump love for example.

Pendles is the only player in my time who has is a Collingwood player who's looked after the umpires. Speaks volumes of him as a person and player. Most non-Collingwood supporters like him.

 

[Piestration]

Actually, talking at conspiracy theories, I can't shake my perception that umpire No.17 really does hate us.

Ahh yes that would be Umpire Schitt

He's one of the older umpires and starting to get on in age so hopefully not long to go in his schittful umpiring career.