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Are they?

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    Votes: 54 49.5%
  • No

    Votes: 17 15.6%
  • They will until this group has officially been broken, Hardwick aint Coach and Gale isn't CEO

    Votes: 38 34.9%

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They have to pay their overlords the gambling industry. Is Vlad still at Crown? No doubt Gil will pop up in some plum job in the gambling industry.
Going to be the head of Victorian racing another clean sport
 
I swear to God during the Anzac eve game they accidentally broadcast the ARC telling an umpire the ball was out on the full on the wing at one point. It was only for a second, might be worth rewatching to see it again now...
It’s match fixing
 
That’s the end of nick reiwolts footy media career
Nick is right. Afl have no idea how to govern the game, they can't even explain their own rules. About time the umpires are under pressure
 

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I've been carping on about earpieces since 2005 haha f i copped some flak from some bootlickers

every dog has his day
You WERNT the only one brother
 
I would love to see the free kick stats for the first half of Richmond games. We get bugger all free's in the first half of matches it seems. Half time, the coaching umps let them know how bad it will look if they do that all game, suddenly we get some cheapies on the half back flank. It happens every week almost.
 
Funny thing is the ump in the sky could actually be utilised to help eliminate off the ball shit

So many times scragging or the player who gives his opponent a little cheap hit only to cop the same back and gain a free kick is because we a told the ump didn’t see it

Use the campaigner in ear to tell the officiating ump to call a free and as soon as the players know they won’t get away with it would be stamped out pretty quickly
 
There is a simple fix to all of this, make the audio accessible during the game, I'm sure they could make an app or something that you could use to listen in to the umpires in game communication.
There should be no issue doing this if there is nothing to hide.
 
There is a simple fix to all of this, make the audio accessible during the game, I'm sure they could make an app or something that you could use to listen in to the umpires in game communication.
There should be no issue doing this if there is nothing to hide.

They gunna make it available like they did with the ARC video of Lynch's goal?
 
Funny thing is the ump in the sky could actually be utilised to help eliminate off the ball shit

So many times scragging or the player who gives his opponent a little cheap hit only to cop the same back and gain a free kick is because we a told the ump didn’t see it

Use the campaigner in ear to tell the officiating ump to call a free and as soon as the players know they won’t get away with it would be stamped out pretty quickly
That would make things fair , the betting companies won’t like that
 
There is a simple fix to all of this, make the audio accessible during the game, I'm sure they could make an app or something that you could use to listen in to the umpires in game communication.
There should be no issue doing this if there is nothing to hide.
We are still waiting for the conclusive proof
 

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There is a simple fix to all of this, make the audio accessible during the game, I'm sure they could make an app or something that you could use to listen in to the umpires in game communication.
There should be no issue doing this if there is nothing to hide.
If they wont make it public, i wouldnt put it past someone to take a scanner to the game and hack the channel they are using.

There would be hundreds of people in the community with this tech I suspect.
 
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How was that not a free. I have even seen us get that free before.
Notably tiprat Higgins got one in 2018 vs the Pies after kicking a goal.

On the Cumberland one, was such a crucial stage of the game, would've got us back to within a point. He even got up, looked around with his arms out as if to say well that's surely a free...and nothing. Poor bloke.
 


‘Sanctity of the umpires has been questioned’: AFL coaches blow the whistle on in-game comms​

BySam McClure


AFL umpires are receiving in-game feedback through an earpiece from an official at the ground, prompting senior coaches to seek answers from the league, including one who warned that the system poses a “material risk” to the sport’s integrity.
Amid intense scrutiny and pressure on umpires, an investigation by The Age found three AFL coaches had approached the league this season seeking clarification about the practice.

Two told The Age they were concerned that communication during pauses in play between the on-field umpires and an umpiring “coach”, who is stationed in a box in the stands, had the potential to influence decision-making.

However, AFL umpiring boss Steve McBurney categorically denied this was the case.
“They cannot tell umpires what free kicks to pay, they cannot give them advice of what free kicks to pay,” McBurney told The Age.
“Our game does not permit an off-field official to tell the on-field official what free kicks to pay and what free kicks not to pay.”
The AFL initially said there was no communication between the box and the umpires during play, before clarifying that the coach can provide “positive affirmation” to umpires at breaks in play, such as after goals or at stoppages.
McBurney, who said he has attended two matches per weekend in his first month in the role, conceded he had seen this happen twice.


The revelation comes amid frustration, expressed by premiership coaches Chris Scott, Damien Hardwick and Craig McRae this season, about the way the game is umpired, and confusion about the interpretation of the holding-the-ball rule. The AFL on Wednesday issued a rare in-season directive to change how that rule is interpreted.
The Age spoke to nine of the AFL’s 18 senior coaches, plus several players and officials. While umpires have long used earpieces to communicate with each other, it was not widely known until now that they can be coached within quarters.
In fact, four senior coaches said they were not aware of the practice.

The AFL confirmed that an umpiring coach has an open line of communication to the four field umpires and two goal umpires at every match, and can speak to them individually or as a group. The system has been in place since 2013, but a senior source with knowledge of the practice said the amount of feedback delivered to umpires during quarters via an earpiece had increased substantially in the past 18 months.

The feed is also connected to the timekeeper and the ARC (the AFL’s score review hub).
Four club coaches told this masthead they were not comfortable with the situation.

“I’m really surprised by it. I’m struggling to get my head around it. It is a material risk to the game as far as integrity is concerned,” said one club coach, who did not wish to be named.
“The sanctity of the umpires has now been questioned. It throws the purity of the game into real jeopardy,” he added.

“In my wildest dreams I wouldn’t have thought anyone could have the ability to speak to umpires during the course of play.”
The AFL has strict rules to protect the sport from corruption, including restrictions on who players and officials can contact during matches and a blanket ban on betting for AFL and club employees.
Umpires can opt out of receiving in-game feedback if they notify the AFL umpiring department before the season.
According to the AFL, umpiring coaches have been speaking to umpires during quarter-time, half-time and three-quarter-time breaks since 1995 and the communication vest was introduced in 2000.
McBurney said the main purpose of umpire communication is for the four field umpires and two goal umpires to be able to speak to each other live during a game. It is an open channel but the TV and radio broadcast only receives a feed of the umpires speaking to each other and the ARC during a score review.

The AFL says audio of the coach speaking to the umpires is recorded but not made public.
While the league is unsure exactly when coaches were able to communicate directly with umpires via an earpiece, McBurney – a respected former umpire who officiated in 401 AFL matches – said he had used it before his retirement at the end of 2013.
McBurney, who rejoined the league as head of umpiring in April this year, said in-game feedback was rare in his experience.
“During play it is very rare for the umpires’ coach to need to talk to the umpires,” he said.

“They cannot do it during live play. If they had an additional voice in their head that would be a major distraction. It would only happen during an exceptional event like fire alarm, if there’s an intruder or the lightning rule.
“The primary focus is around positioning, skills, a bit on bouncing and six-six-six warnings.”
However, The Age spoke to three AFL umpires who said they are sometimes spoken to during quarters, usually when the ball is out of play or after a goal.
McBurney conceded that may happen occasionally.
“If they’re giving positive affirmation that would normally occur during the breaks,” he said.

“If there is a need during play after a goal or during stoppage to give affirmation, we leave that up to the umpires’ coach to determine if and when that is necessary.
“If there is something really significant in a game and the umpire has made the right call but there is real doubt about it, the umpires’ coach may want to key on to that umpire to reaffirm to them that that was well done. It may be how he’s managed a concussion, an injury, or normally where we are at with our positioning.

“I reckon I’ve seen it happen during a quarter twice in four weeks. It’s not a common event. They will speak to them at every break, but it’s rare that they would speak to them during a game between goals. It is not permitted during live play.”
McBurney also insisted fears the system could lead to an integrity breach were unfounded.

The AFL provided the names of five of the eight umpiring coaches – ex-AFL umpires Michael Jennings, Bryan Sheehan, Scott McLaren, Ray Kelsey and Luke Farmer. They are all league employees who undergo police checks and are governed by integrity rules.
“No, I don’t think there’s an integrity issue here, the integrity department is well aware of this practice,” McBurney said.
“The umpires’ job is to coach umpires the same way that AFL coaches’ job is to coach the players.”
So what's the need for the timekeeper to be connected in with umpires radio feed?

A quick ump decision on the death-knell of a game in the last quarter? Gee we haven't seen that in recent games 🤪
 
Behind a paywall so I can't read it, but if the headline is true

NO :poo: SHERLOCK!!


Well well well. It's all seemingly coming undone now isn't it.

To all those who punched down on us who were calling out the bias and rotten state of umpiring, are you decent enough to apologise for (again) that you got it all wrong?
 
There’s been a number of times that the free kick numbers on the AFL site stop counting when it’s a huge difference , I have picked it up on multiple occasions , they are controlling outcomes. (Match fixing) and fiddling the numbers (spot fixing )

100%. I have a Tiger buddy that I found difficult to convince that there has been something going on with Free Kick counts. So we watched a game together at my place and counted the free kicks for both sides. We both agreed on our numbers, but the "official" AFL game App was not what we had. Funnily enough, Tigers had less and the oppo (Carlton) had more.

We continued the experiment back to our DVD collections of the 3 premierships and picked games at random. No surprises - the free kick counts we not what was on the AFL app for that game. Sometimes they were right.
 
If they wont make it public, i wouldnt put it past someone to take a scanner to the game and hack the channel they are using.

There would be hundreds of people in the community with this tech I suspect.
I think with the new digital tech you can't do this anymore. The old analogue yeah you'd pick it up with h a scanner.
 

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‘Sanctity of the umpires has been questioned’: AFL coaches blow the whistle on in-game comms​

BySam McClure


AFL umpires are receiving in-game feedback through an earpiece from an official at the ground, prompting senior coaches to seek answers from the league, including one who warned that the system poses a “material risk” to the sport’s integrity.
Amid intense scrutiny and pressure on umpires, an investigation by The Age found three AFL coaches had approached the league this season seeking clarification about the practice.

Two told The Age they were concerned that communication during pauses in play between the on-field umpires and an umpiring “coach”, who is stationed in a box in the stands, had the potential to influence decision-making.

However, AFL umpiring boss Steve McBurney categorically denied this was the case.
“They cannot tell umpires what free kicks to pay, they cannot give them advice of what free kicks to pay,” McBurney told The Age.
“Our game does not permit an off-field official to tell the on-field official what free kicks to pay and what free kicks not to pay.”
The AFL initially said there was no communication between the box and the umpires during play, before clarifying that the coach can provide “positive affirmation” to umpires at breaks in play, such as after goals or at stoppages.
McBurney, who said he has attended two matches per weekend in his first month in the role, conceded he had seen this happen twice.


The revelation comes amid frustration, expressed by premiership coaches Chris Scott, Damien Hardwick and Craig McRae this season, about the way the game is umpired, and confusion about the interpretation of the holding-the-ball rule. The AFL on Wednesday issued a rare in-season directive to change how that rule is interpreted.
The Age spoke to nine of the AFL’s 18 senior coaches, plus several players and officials. While umpires have long used earpieces to communicate with each other, it was not widely known until now that they can be coached within quarters.
In fact, four senior coaches said they were not aware of the practice.

The AFL confirmed that an umpiring coach has an open line of communication to the four field umpires and two goal umpires at every match, and can speak to them individually or as a group. The system has been in place since 2013, but a senior source with knowledge of the practice said the amount of feedback delivered to umpires during quarters via an earpiece had increased substantially in the past 18 months.

The feed is also connected to the timekeeper and the ARC (the AFL’s score review hub).
Four club coaches told this masthead they were not comfortable with the situation.

“I’m really surprised by it. I’m struggling to get my head around it. It is a material risk to the game as far as integrity is concerned,” said one club coach, who did not wish to be named.
“The sanctity of the umpires has now been questioned. It throws the purity of the game into real jeopardy,” he added.

“In my wildest dreams I wouldn’t have thought anyone could have the ability to speak to umpires during the course of play.”
The AFL has strict rules to protect the sport from corruption, including restrictions on who players and officials can contact during matches and a blanket ban on betting for AFL and club employees.
Umpires can opt out of receiving in-game feedback if they notify the AFL umpiring department before the season.
According to the AFL, umpiring coaches have been speaking to umpires during quarter-time, half-time and three-quarter-time breaks since 1995 and the communication vest was introduced in 2000.
McBurney said the main purpose of umpire communication is for the four field umpires and two goal umpires to be able to speak to each other live during a game. It is an open channel but the TV and radio broadcast only receives a feed of the umpires speaking to each other and the ARC during a score review.

The AFL says audio of the coach speaking to the umpires is recorded but not made public.
While the league is unsure exactly when coaches were able to communicate directly with umpires via an earpiece, McBurney – a respected former umpire who officiated in 401 AFL matches – said he had used it before his retirement at the end of 2013.
McBurney, who rejoined the league as head of umpiring in April this year, said in-game feedback was rare in his experience.
“During play it is very rare for the umpires’ coach to need to talk to the umpires,” he said.

“They cannot do it during live play. If they had an additional voice in their head that would be a major distraction. It would only happen during an exceptional event like fire alarm, if there’s an intruder or the lightning rule.
“The primary focus is around positioning, skills, a bit on bouncing and six-six-six warnings.”
However, The Age spoke to three AFL umpires who said they are sometimes spoken to during quarters, usually when the ball is out of play or after a goal.
McBurney conceded that may happen occasionally.
“If they’re giving positive affirmation that would normally occur during the breaks,” he said.

“If there is a need during play after a goal or during stoppage to give affirmation, we leave that up to the umpires’ coach to determine if and when that is necessary.
“If there is something really significant in a game and the umpire has made the right call but there is real doubt about it, the umpires’ coach may want to key on to that umpire to reaffirm to them that that was well done. It may be how he’s managed a concussion, an injury, or normally where we are at with our positioning.

“I reckon I’ve seen it happen during a quarter twice in four weeks. It’s not a common event. They will speak to them at every break, but it’s rare that they would speak to them during a game between goals. It is not permitted during live play.”
McBurney also insisted fears the system could lead to an integrity breach were unfounded.

The AFL provided the names of five of the eight umpiring coaches – ex-AFL umpires Michael Jennings, Bryan Sheehan, Scott McLaren, Ray Kelsey and Luke Farmer. They are all league employees who undergo police checks and are governed by integrity rules.
“No, I don’t think there’s an integrity issue here, the integrity department is well aware of this practice,” McBurney said.
“The umpires’ job is to coach umpires the same way that AFL coaches’ job is to coach the players.”
Richmond supporters have been questioning why they have earpieces for years

they tell them who to favour, when to turn momentum and when to pay soft frees infront of goal for desired outcome/ads
 
They gonna piss off the CFL and end up like us.
nah the one thing they have which we dont is supporters of their club inside afl house
 
If they wont make it public, i wouldnt put it past someone to take a scanner to the game and hack the channel they are using.

There would be hundreds of people in the community with this tech I suspect.

Detecting a signal is pretty straight forward and could be done with a USB stick sized dongle plugged into a phone. If it's encrypted though, not much point.
 
Rotten to the core.

"Positive affirmation", they're taking the piss if that's the best excuse they can come up with.

Does anyone get regular phone calls from their manager for a positive affirmation? Of course not, more likely a kick up the arse or a direct instruction...
 

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