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  • They will until this group has officially been broken, Hardwick aint Coach and Gale isn't CEO

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We a the only sport in the world we're the coaches get fined for talking about the referees or umpiring that says alot itself even in world football they can have a say along as it's done properly.

Problem is afl has made this game to difficult to umpire rule changes every year and how many umpires on the field now ridiculous all have different interpretations over kill. Umpires in the afl are protected species immune to criticism or face questioning all because we hear the afl bs shortage of umpires and we need to set a example through to junior levels.
 
Without commenting on how the Tigers are treated by the umpires, how come we are getting games where there are over 50 free kicks paid, years ago games had about half that? Umpires seem to be looking to pay free kicks, maybe this is why we have so many contentious ones now.

And this stupid stand business with the resultant 50m penalty for even turning your body to look around is pure nonsense, it's pre-school stuff not AFL.
 
TigFan1966 said:
Without commenting on how the Tigers are treated by the umpires, how come we are getting games where there are over 50 free kicks paid, years ago games had about half that? Umpires seem to be looking to pay free kicks, maybe this is why we have so many contentious ones now.

And this stupid stand business with the resultant 50m penalty for even turning your body to look around is pure nonsense, it's pre-school stuff not AFL.
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As db26 just mentioned the afl have made it far to difficult to actually adjudicate

Massive amounts of grey area rules that could go either way, rules that simply aren’t needed (stand and ruck nomination), some actions are fine in general play but not fine under certain circumstances, rules that are in forced one week but not the next

Basically every single contest in the game these days has something that could “technically” be a free kick

The players are confused about what they can and can’t do and so are the umpires, who aren’t even full time employees
 
TigFan1966 said:
Without commenting on how the Tigers are treated by the umpires, how come we are getting games where there are over 50 free kicks paid, years ago games had about half that? Umpires seem to be looking to pay free kicks, maybe this is why we have so many contentious ones now.

And this stupid stand business with the resultant 50m penalty for even turning your body to look around is pure nonsense, it's pre-school stuff not AFL.
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The game sucks now. I didn’t watch the game against the Dogs. Watched maybe half of yesterday and Saints.
 

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Muddiemoose said:
Basically every single contest in the game these days has something that could “technically” be a free kick

The players are confused about what they can and can’t do and so are the umpires, who aren’t even full time employees
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Great explanation, it seems we could have a whole game played by the umpires using the players as chess pieces.
 
TigFan1966 said:
Great explanation, it seems we could have a whole game played by the umpires using the players as chess pieces.
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The game looked it’s best as a pure spectacle last night in that last 5 mins when they put the whistle away, tough contests without continued stoppages

Ironically it also hurt us because it was when some of those calls should of gone our way but if the whole game was officiated in a similar way the game overall would be much better
 
Waca Jr said:
What did Damian "It's an incredibly hard game to umpire" Hardwick say post match?
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He was asked about the huge differential and politely told the reporter he couldn't talk about that but asked him to speak with someone (from the AFL) for an explanation. He then told him he would keep him to that dare. lol
 
I was going to start a new thread for this, but decided to save the space and place it here.

THE UGLY TRUTH - CHOOSE YOUR OWN REALITY


On this board there is a growing divide around our insane umpiring woes. One side of the spectrum is convinced there is a deliberate bias against us, while a growing number of fans are saying that its due to our own performance and actions


A quick breakdown of what our season has been in this area

Rn1 - Carlton For 20 agst 28 Frees with 8x50m penalties
Rn2 - Giants / For 26 agst 20
Rn3 3 - Saings For 19 agst 27 - with a notable number of no calls for throws etc
Rnd 4 Dogs / For 15 agst 25
Rnd 5 - Crows 13 For / 33 agst


These stats are really bloody damning and look worse when given the eye test of watching the games. The actual stats on 50's i cant provide as they are not being recorded by the AFL - which is ****ING mental tbh. You cannot find the stats on 50's this year ANYWHERE. I remember seeing these stats every game a decade ago.... yet in the era of analytics, the AFL has decided to piss them off from their database....incredible

So the ugly truth is here for us all to decide.

Are we being deliberately boned by the AFL when it comes to umpiring due to our COVID hub drama's etc

OR

Is Dimma coaching this team that poorly? As i can assure you, a team that gives nearly 50% more free kicks and 100% more 50m penalties than every other team in the league without bias - is a poorly coached team that lacks understanding of their gameplan, lacks composure & is very very frustrated at the internal state of affairs.


The stats are damning - one of these directions must at least hold truer than the other. You do not have these types of dramatic results my a middling issue.

Pick your lane boys, but know this - the only answer to the problem is identical
 
RJK Tiger said:
I was going to start a new thread for this, but decided to save the space and place it here.

THE UGLY TRUTH - CHOOSE YOUR OWN REALITY


On this board there is a growing divide around our insane umpiring woes. One side of the spectrum is convinced there is a deliberate bias against us, while a growing number of fans are saying that its due to our own performance and actions


A quick breakdown of what our season has been in this area

Rn1 - Carlton For 20 agst 28 Frees with 8x50m penalties
Rn2 - Giants / For 26 agst 20
Rn3 3 - Saings For 19 agst 27 - with a notable number of no calls for throws etc
Rnd 4 Dogs / For 15 agst 25
Rnd 5 - Crows 13 For / 33 agst


These stats are really bloody damning and look worse when given the eye test of watching the games. The actual stats on 50's i cant provide as they are not being recorded by the AFL - which is ******* mental tbh. You cannot find the stats on 50's this year ANYWHERE. I remember seeing these stats every game a decade ago.... yet in the era of analytics, the AFL has decided to piss them off from their database....incredible

So the ugly truth is here for us all to decide.

Are we being deliberately boned by the AFL when it comes to umpiring due to our COVID hub drama's etc

OR

Is Dimma coaching this team that poorly? As i can assure you, a team that gives nearly 50% more free kicks and 100% more 50m penalties than every other team in the league without bias - is a poorly coached team that lacks understanding of their gameplan, lacks composure & is very very frustrated at the internal state of affairs.


The stats are damning - one of these directions must at least hold truer than the other. You do not have these types of dramatic results my a middling issue.

Pick your lane boys, but know this - the only answer to the problem is identical
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A lot of folks say we give plenty of frees away cause of our gamestyle. However, through 2021 when we were shit, we were getting the exact same treatment as we did in the flag years. So it's not gamestyle.

I think that every poster can cop us giving away a few extra frees each game compared to other teams. What's damning is that we get **** all in return.
 
I was watching the Blues vs Port game and noticed that when Port came back at the Blues in the third and fourth quarters, the umpires interpretation of the holding the ball rule seemed to change.

As soon as a Port player grabbed a Blues player it was holding the ball in milliseconds. While earlier they were let go, the difference was obvious.

The umpires are a bunch of show ponies and want to get in on the act for some reason.
 
TigFan1966 said:
I was watching the Blues vs Port game and noticed that when Port came back at the Blues in the third and fourth quarters, the umpires interpretation of the holding the ball rule seemed to change.

As soon as a Port player grabbed a Blues player it was holding the ball in milliseconds. While earlier they were let go, the difference was obvious.

The umpires are a bunch of show ponies and want to get in on the act for some reason.
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This is a big part of the huge momentum swings we suffer... Teams will get a quarter of like 10 frees to 0 and absolutely dump on us

Of course part of it is our players/game plan... they say the team first to the ball is rewarded yet there are plenty of moments where our blokes get penalised for being the only player going for the ball

I'm convinced that we just spend too much time coaching how to play football and clearly not doing enough in the arm waving and pleading for frees department, we just can't hack it

Which is ironic when you consider oppos call our players protected species and divers (Grimes, jack).
 
Hello, Pardon the interruption. I reckon you folk are having a sensible discussion that I have enjoyed reading. I would like to add as a supporter from my mob.(Swans)

TigFan1966 said:
Without commenting on how the Tigers are treated by the umpires, how come we are getting games where there are over 50 free kicks paid, years ago games had about half that? Umpires seem to be looking to pay free kicks, maybe this is why we have so many contentious ones now.
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This is so spot on. The Bloods v Roos game had 60 frees. Horse does not comment on Umpiring but he did have a minor aside about the impact of 60 frees on quality. It was a shocker with players of both teams confused and second guessing themselves in contests.

Muddiemoose said:
As db26 just mentioned the afl have made it far to difficult to actually adjudicate

Massive amounts of grey area rules that could go either way, rules that simply aren’t needed (stand and ruck nomination), some actions are fine in general play but not fine under certain circumstances, rules that are in forced one week but not the next

Basically every single contest in the game these days has something that could “technically” be a free kick

The players are confused about what they can and can’t do and so are the umpires, who aren’t even full time employees
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Again spot on. The result is 'freelotto' where the players are as often as mystified as fans. The ludicrous number of rule changes compounds adjudication.


Wacko23Jacko said:
I'm convinced that we just spend too much time coaching how to play football and clearly not doing enough in the arm waving and pleading for frees department, we just can't hack it
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Oof. The Tigers ,whether champs or struggling a bit ,always give the impression (to many Swans fans like me) they are coached and play Footy within the spirit of the
game. My mob are the same. Horse is an old fashioned Coach and he and Hardwick would be the last 2 coaches to run training sessions and drills on how to play for frees
 

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TigFan1966 said:
I was watching the Blues vs Port game and noticed that when Port came back at the Blues in the third and fourth quarters, the umpires interpretation of the holding the ball rule seemed to change.

As soon as a Port player grabbed a Blues player it was holding the ball in milliseconds. While earlier they were let go, the difference was obvious.

The umpires are a bunch of show ponies and want to get in on the act for some reason.
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yeah and they shafted port at the most crucial time, 1 minute left clear holding the ball not payed to poort who were surging forward and wouldve goaled to hit the lead
 
The biggest frustration we have is the umpires will pay a free to the oppo and then they won't pay it to us for the exact same infringement.

We all want consistency

HTB and push in the back (after oppo players disposes) are the frees that are adjuctated unfairly towards us every freaking game.
 
Do the Dew said:
A lot of folks say we give plenty of frees away cause of our gamestyle. However, through 2021 when we were shit, we were getting the exact same treatment as we did in the flag years. So it's not gamestyle.
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It is gamestyle. Up to 2016, we generally had a reasonable run with umps.

In 2013 we had 430 frees for and 426 against. We won the free kick count in 10 games and lost it in 13.
In 2014 we had 436 frees for and 430 against. We won the free kick count in 12 games and lost it in 8 (3 were level).
In 2015 we had 504 frees for and 433 against. We won the free kick count in 14 games and lost it in 6 (3 level).
In 2016 we had 423 frees for and 440 against. WE won the free kick count in 11 games and lost it in 11.

In 2017 we adopted our manic pressure gamestyle - partly forced on us by only having one key forward.

In 2017 we had 469 frees for and 529 against. We won the free kick count in 10 games and lost it in 15.
In 2018 we had 421 frees for and 543 against. We won the free kick count in 5 games and lost it in 18.
And so on.

I have no complaints - we won 3 flags with our game style - but now other teams have worked out ways to counter that, we've had injuries, our best players are older and the kids missed out on 2 years of development because our team was so successful we didn't change it much.
It's nothing to do with being good, bad or indifferent - we played the same gamestyle in 2021. We played it last week against Adelaide. We need to adapt.
 

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RJK Tiger said:
I was going to start a new thread for this, but decided to save the space and place it here.

THE UGLY TRUTH - CHOOSE YOUR OWN REALITY


On this board there is a growing divide around our insane umpiring woes. One side of the spectrum is convinced there is a deliberate bias against us, while a growing number of fans are saying that its due to our own performance and actions


A quick breakdown of what our season has been in this area

Rn1 - Carlton For 20 agst 28 Frees with 8x50m penalties
Rn2 - Giants / For 26 agst 20
Rn3 3 - Saings For 19 agst 27 - with a notable number of no calls for throws etc
Rnd 4 Dogs / For 15 agst 25
Rnd 5 - Crows 13 For / 33 agst


These stats are really bloody damning and look worse when given the eye test of watching the games. The actual stats on 50's i cant provide as they are not being recorded by the AFL - which is ******* mental tbh. You cannot find the stats on 50's this year ANYWHERE. I remember seeing these stats every game a decade ago.... yet in the era of analytics, the AFL has decided to piss them off from their database....incredible

So the ugly truth is here for us all to decide.

Are we being deliberately boned by the AFL when it comes to umpiring due to our COVID hub drama's etc

OR

Is Dimma coaching this team that poorly? As i can assure you, a team that gives nearly 50% more free kicks and 100% more 50m penalties than every other team in the league without bias - is a poorly coached team that lacks understanding of their gameplan, lacks composure & is very very frustrated at the internal state of affairs.


The stats are damning - one of these directions must at least hold truer than the other. You do not have these types of dramatic results my a middling issue.

Pick your lane boys, but know this - the only answer to the problem is identical
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My maths is not great but on those numbers provided I have us at-40 differential after 5 rounds which is insane
 
TigFan1966 said:
I was watching the Blues vs Port game and noticed that when Port came back at the Blues in the third and fourth quarters, the umpires interpretation of the holding the ball rule seemed to change.

As soon as a Port player grabbed a Blues player it was holding the ball in milliseconds. While earlier they were let go, the difference was obvious.

The umpires are a bunch of show ponies and want to get in on the act for some reason.
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I turned that game on when I was trying to kill a bit of time. Within 60 seconds saw a player go to handball, then pulled it back to kick it instead so had clear prior opportunity, was tackled and the ball spilled onto his knee, clear incorrect disposal every day of the week.
Called play on
Turned the TV off

This is the legacy of Hocking & Gillon
 
From the Crows game…..

Most of us would have heard by now the free kick count ran 15-1 in the Crows favour from the point we hit the front in Q3.

From my best calculations - I was watching the free kick count the whole way - Richmond had 3 distinct periods of scoring supremacy.

Early first term Richmond 2 goals v Crows nil.

Late final term Richmond 2 goals v Crows nil - umps appeared to swallow thier whistles in this period.

Q3 6 mins to 14 mins Richmond 4 goals v Crows nil.

The best I can make out, these periods combined saw a free kick count around 7-2 in our favour.

The Crows had 2 distinct longer periods of scoring dominance.

Q1 12 mins to Q3 2 mins. Crows 10 goals v Richmond 4 goals. This period and the few minutes surrounding it was accompanied by a free kick count roughly 16-5 the Crows way.

Q3 16 mins to Q4 17 mins. This was where the vast bulk 15-1 disparity occurred.


So their 2 periods of scoring dominance where combined they outscored us 15 goals to 4, was accompanied by a free kick count roughly 31-6 in their favour. This does not include at least 2 incorrect marks paid to them I can recall.

It is pretty tough to watch that without moaning, for me at least.
 

The AFL declined to comment on the free kick count from the game when contacted on Sunday.
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This is why supporters have the shits with the umpiring. The AFL refuses to answer any questions regarding umpiring. Educate the population and they won't have a lot of the issues that the AFL has created themselves.

Kudos to the journalist who wrote this story. I assume it is the same guy who Hardwick told to go ask the questions himself.
 
Watching the Hawks vs Cats game, a Hawks player tackles Sellwood who has the ball, as soon as Sellwood gets tackled he lets the ball go and the Hawks player lets Sellwood go. Umpire calls "holding", the Hawks player puts out his arms to gesture why was that? 50m penalty umpire abuse. No wonder players and fans get frustrated, even when the umpire pays a howler, everyone is supposed to shut up and say "Good job ump"?

It gets worse, umpire pays a free kick to Hawkins for a "supposed" block, two other Hawks, neither on the mark see the replay on the big screen and put out their arms, ump calls "abuse" and puts Hawkins in the goal square.
 
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