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And actual credentialed professionals way above the level of any of us have also not opted to urge caution and not endorse it as a treatment. Quite a few of them in fact - I'd say the majority as of a few months ago, although I'll admit I haven't read much on it lately.

In any case, I'm not the one declaring it "settled" - that would be BlueE.

As always, thanks for the insightful and oh so necessary contribution Tayls.
Certainly a welcome addition to the more erudite posters.
 
Is this where I post the peer reviewed studies that urge caution instead?

Why are the FDA and American Journal of Medicine still not endorsing it? Trump is gone, where is their motivation to make him look bad?

For once, Fox was citing actual data from different counties and comparing the ones that mandated masks to the ones that didn't. But yeah, I'm sure the numbers were down in the mask-mandated counties for some other reason entirely, nothing to do with more people wearing masks, no siree :tearsofjoy:

And yep, the 'consensus' in the Coronavirus thread sure is that masks don't work :drunk:

edit: oh wait, you're talking about the Coronavirus thread on this board aren't you - the conspiracy one.

My bad, yep I'm sure the consensus in there is iron-clad. Just like it is that the election was stolen in this one :tearsofjoy:
AJM endorsed HCQ by printing a peer reviewed research that showed it effective in reducing deaths and adverse effects when given in hospital care. They don't need to come out and say we endorse this, they have a board of specialists, peers in the same specialties that read and review the research before it's accepted. It's their reputation on the line, but some editors have complained that they are pressured to publish research by the phamacutical industry they don't think is up to standard, with examples given below.

So where are the peer reviewed studies that urge caution? I can name two but they both got retracted because the data used in both studies was made up and fraudulent, but this wasn't discovered until 2 weeks after publication. Then there were two that were supposed to be RCTs, but were internet surveys that didn't even use a PCR test to see if someone was COVID positive, when comparing. There were also two that used toxic doses which and were shut down with the ignorant doctors in charge seemed to be unaware of despite clear information about doses.

Fox had an interview with someone, that said something without any evidence based on what someone told him. PLeaaase! Laughing so hard, crying face.

I've never said "consensus". That's what you use to say something is true, not based on evidence or critical analysis of media, but some sort of herd mentality based on believing propaganda and trolling people who don't believe what you do to conform.

I don't agree with everyone on here and don't expect them to agree with me, but I'll look at the original research and/or quote an expert like Prof Clancy who says anyone that doesn't think HCQ or IVM hasn't read the research or doesn't understand it. Or they are too influenced by big Phama money and power.

You just want to keep bashing Trump who was correct about HCQ, but discredited by the same media propaganda that elevated Cuomo for his COVID response. How many lives were lost just with those two reactions and still people like you don't realise they've been lied to?

 
Hot off the presses:

This first version addresses the use of hydroxychloroquine to prevent covid-19. It follows six trials with 6059 participants pooled into a systematic review and network meta-analysis (NMA) that suggested hydroxychloroquine was unlikely to be of use in preventing covid-19.3456789 In response, the WHO guideline panel developed recommendations on hydroxychloroquine for prevention of covid-19.

 

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lol ok mate. And the injecting bleach and masks nonsense?

Don't take this as a criticism but we talked about this a month ago and it's been done to death in other threads before then.

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I'm trying to be less critical and more matter of fact from now on after reading this quote today ....

"Whenever you are about to find fault with someone, ask yourself the following question: What fault of mine most nearly resembles the one I am about to criticize?" -- Marcus Aurelius
 
Since this is the conspiracy board..

If a forensic review found absolute proof that there was voter fraud and it had a material impact on the election, there's nothing that can be done about that. What is an appropriate response from government? From the citizenship?

Does Major General BJ Woodchuck out of West Virginia remove the government from office and order a special unconstitutional election to fill the void until 2024?

Does General Francis Smollett-Smith out of California contest the authority of Woodchuck leading to a crisis of no formal head of state in the US for three years with each state's governor existing as the highest office.

Alternate reality aside, given that some very wealthy people contributed upwards of $180m to the existing admin - why wouldn't they just spend 0.001% of that and have anyone bumped off that might disrupt their agenda.

It's not like they are trying to pass a bulk spending bill that sends a huge portion (it might be most) to special interest groups under the guise of helping the people with some cash.

 
AJM endorsed HCQ...

Err no, they've literally confirmed the opposite of that. Did you not even read the link?

Dr. Joseph S. Alpert, editor-in-chief of the AJM, said the journal does not endorse HCQ treatment for COVID-19.
"This article does not mean the journal recommended this therapy," he said. "The authors recommended it just as others recommend other interventions. We just publish their findings and recommendations."

Alpert said the journal often presents multiple sides of a scientific argument. "We have also published articles from other authorities that said don't use it [HCQ treatment]," he said. "This is still controversial with two sides saying different things.



You just want to keep bashing Trump who was correct about HCQ, but discredited by the same media propaganda that elevated Cuomo for his COVID response. How many lives were lost just with those two reactions and still people like you don't realise they've been lied to?

that scenario is only a Trumper fever dream pushed by people who for some reason see no issues at all with a POTUS spitballing untested medical treatments live on TV during a pandemic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You won't find any criticism here from me re: HCQ use specifically - just Trump's blue sky, stream of consciousness style approach at his pressers.
 
Don't take this as a criticism but we talked about this a month ago and it's been done to death in other threads before then.

#2,888

I'm trying to be less critical and more matter of fact from now on after reading this quote today ....

"Whenever you are about to find fault with someone, ask yourself the following question: What fault of mine most nearly resembles the one I am about to criticize?" -- Marcus Aurelius

No mention of masks there mate.

An this Bill Bryan sounds like he knows a thing or 2 about it. If Trump had said what Bill did, rather than the words he actually used, I don't think I'd have an issue.

Which is kinda the point - you're happy with Trump, of all people, getting into the nitty gritty of potential treatments currently undergoing testing, live on TV during a pandemic? That's the appropriate speaker and forum in your view?

**** me, this is exhausting. I get accused of dismissing HCQ, despite not actually doing that, just coz I want to make Trump look bad - by people who are so psychologically in thrall to the bloke that they can't even admit Donnie speaking off the cuff to a national audience on live TV during a pandemic about complex medical treatments/testing probably isn't the best idea. I mean, all you need to do is look at the faces of the experts up there with him when he said this stuff to know that.

Unreal :drunk:
 
An this Bill Bryan sounds like he knows a thing or 2 about it. If Trump had said what Bill did, rather than the words he actually used, I don't think I'd have an issue.

That would look a bit funny wouldn't it? Bill Bryan says XYZ at that presser ... throws back to Trump who repeats XYZ.

Which is kinda the point - you're happy with Trump, of all people, getting into the nitty gritty of potential treatments currently undergoing testing, live on TV during a pandemic?

He asked questions. He was not offering advice. his face was turned the whole time in the direction of Bill Bryan not towards the reporters. After listening to Bryan's comments repeatedly referring to testing agents on the virus contained in saliva and respiratory fluids (presumably in test tubes or on surfaces) he goes off on a tangent and asks him some silly hypothetical questions. As I've said previously to then say in the aftermath he was being sarcastic when he asked those questions was absolutely atrocious. This is what the media should have jumped on him for, not his original well-intentioned but misinformed questions.

With regard to hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine it was a reporter and Dr Birx who raised that a full 24 hours before Trump ever publicly mentioned them.

https://www.rev.com/transcript-edit...3p3nFUAouc?loadFrom=PastedDeeplink&ts=4150.14

His comments about hydroxychloroquine etc a day later were made after he'd been specifically briefed by Fauci, Birx and others.

I've criticised him where appropriate but the proper context almost never gets raised in these discussions.

With regard to masks, I don't recall you ever having a critical word steered Fauci's way for his very contradictory statements on the issue. Who was Trump relying on for advice about masks again?
 

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Err no, they've literally confirmed the opposite of that. Did you not even read the link?


You won't find any criticism here from me re: HCQ use specifically - just Trump's blue sky, stream of consciousness style approach at his pressers.
I read the the fact check link and it missed the point. AJM published the research showing HCQ reduced adverse effects and deaths even when given in hospital after it was reviewed by a panel of specialists. The statement from AJM is correct, but that isn't what the so called fact checker is saying.

I think IVM +Zn has now shown better results, but the point you originally made with Trump, was he was lying and recommending a harmful ineffective treatment. He wasn't, but the weight of the press, against him no matter what he said, and big pharma influencing some publications publishing fake studies, prevented many people get HCQ when doctors wanted to prescribe it for their patients. Comparing world wide research with USA results in HCQ, demonstrates a significant bias against HCQ and can only be explained by the anti Trump bias.
 
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I’ll be f’ed. Who is the president sh*t campaigner?

Biden basically hiding.


 
Hot off the presses:

This first version addresses the use of hydroxychloroquine to prevent covid-19. It follows six trials with 6059 participants pooled into a systematic review and network meta-analysis (NMA) that suggested hydroxychloroquine was unlikely to be of use in preventing covid-19.3456789 In response, the WHO guideline panel developed recommendations on hydroxychloroquine for prevention of covid-19.


Meta analysis where some participants get 1.2 grams HCQ a day and some 400 mg a week. SOME are participating in a Internet survey where the testing PCR kit is sent out for them to administer themselves or they don't use a test and say they're COVID positive because of symptoms and some in a hospital and then say if you don't have COVID -19 don't take HCQ. Not really a surprise and the Zelenko protocol for taking HCQ in the early stages of COVI-19 doesn't use it as a preventative.
 
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