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Schulz, Banfield and Colyer aren't in the same league as Ballantyne, Mayne, De Boer when it comes to commitment and effort. Ballantyne kicked 49 and made AA. Ffs.
Schulz and co aren't up to it end of story.
Yep. Let’s draft some forwards that can actually kick goals before we worry about tackling woes. Ballas was the best of both worlds but we won’t get anywhere without some actual skill in the F50.
 
The last two weeks the first thing I do after a South's game is look at Motlop's tackle stats, I almost care more about that than his goals kicked. 2 last week and 4 this week have me pretty happy
Does it not depress you that you are more worried about how a forward defends than attacks? Not having a go at all as it’s the way the game is but it really shouldn’t be that way at the elite level.
 
Does it not depress you that you are more worried about how a forward defends than attacks? Not having a go at all as it’s the way the game is but it really shouldn’t be that way at the elite level.
It terms of where the AFL is at, not really, in terms of where we are at, yes. I just think our forward pressure is so diabolically bad that anyone up there sticking a tackle would be welcome. At the same time, our forwardline isnt exactly chock full of goal kicking talent so Motlop is going to have to be Cyril. No pressure
 

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Does it not depress you that you are more worried about how a forward defends than attacks? Not having a go at all as it’s the way the game is but it really shouldn’t be that way at the elite level.

So many on here rubbished Mayne for his comment that tackles in the forward half were as important as him kicking goals. What would we give for a tackling and harassing forward now.
Keep the ball in the forward line and goals will happen.
 
Schulz, Banfield and Colyer aren't in the same league as Ballantyne, Mayne, De Boer when it comes to commitment and effort. Ballantyne kicked 49 and made AA. Ffs.
Schulz and co aren't up to it end of story.
Schultz plays too high for me, mainly because we don’t have any high half forwards. He laid 4 tackles on the weekend & if he was able to play closer to goal I’m sure he’d be more effective on the scoreboard & with pressure acts inside 50.
 
It terms of where the AFL is at, not really, in terms of where we are at, yes. I just think our forward pressure is so diabolically bad that anyone up there sticking a tackle would be welcome. At the same time, our forwardline isnt exactly chock full of goal kicking talent so Motlop is going to have to be Cyril. No pressure
Fair enough. I could not be more down on what the AFL as a product is at the moment. Probably doesn’t help I watch more Freo than any other side but not a lot to get excited about elsewhere. Most sports good offence beats good defence, the AFL doesn’t even have good offence so the attackers are meant to defend to win. Depressing.
 
Does it not depress you that you are more worried about how a forward defends than attacks? Not having a go at all as it’s the way the game is but it really shouldn’t be that way at the elite level.
Good teams generate some of their score from repeat entries built on forward pressure. You can’t have a dangerous, attacking forward line if they can’t defend. It might be an indictment on the modern game but that’s the game they get paid good money to play.

Worse still, good teams are more than happy to defend in their back half and launch attack from defence when under little or no pressure. A forward line that can’t defend is a liability and it makes the game very taxing for the mids and defenders.
 
Good teams generate some of their score from repeat entries built on forward pressure. You can’t have a dangerous, attacking forward line if they can’t defend. It might be an indictment on the modern game but that’s the game they get paid good money to play.

Worse still, good teams are more than happy to defend in their back half and launch attack from defence when under little or no pressure. A forward line that can’t defend is a liability and it makes the game very taxing for the mids and defenders.
I get it. I still hate it as the go to tactic at the elite level. Basically skill is secondary in the AFL a lot of the time. That’s my issue.
 
I get it. I still hate it as the go to tactic at the elite level. Basically skill is secondary in the AFL a lot of the time. That’s my issue.
I think there’s a link between the two. Tackles and pressure acts lead to stoppages or free kicks. Free kicks inside 50 give everyone a 30 second breather. Stoppages slow the game down and let the defenders set up behind the ball. This should result in less basketball style transition running which reduces fatigue and makes them less likely to look like Saturday ammos with ball in hand.
 
Fair enough. I could not be more down on what the AFL as a product is at the moment. Probably doesn’t help I watch more Freo than any other side but not a lot to get excited about elsewhere. Most sports good offence beats good defence, the AFL doesn’t even have good offence so the attackers are meant to defend to win. Depressing.
This is an interesting argument because I follow the NBA pretty heavily these days and frequent the NBA subreddit often. There is a fair bit of backlash on there about the current state of the NBA vs FIBA (international). NBA is geared to be entirely offensive in nature and most are liking the fact FIBA ball actually allows players to be defended.

I think there is a medium to be reached between offense and defence but I would agree we are heading too far into a defence first sport.
 
I think there’s a link between the two. Tackles and pressure acts lead to stoppages or free kicks. Free kicks inside 50 give everyone a 30 second breather. Stoppages slow the game down and let the defenders set up behind the ball. This should result in less basketball style transition running which reduces fatigue and makes them less likely to look like Saturday ammos with ball in hand.
I know you are right. 100% but it still annoys me that the sport values defence so much over offence. The balance is so out of whack but it won’t change. I just hope we can have a player with SOME goal kicking ability in the next decade.
 
This is an interesting argument because I follow the NBA pretty heavily these days and frequent the NBA subreddit often. There is a fair bit of backlash on there about the current state of the NBA vs FIBA (international). NBA is geared to be entirely offensive in nature and most are liking the fact FIBA ball actually allows players to be defended.

I think there is a medium to be reached between offense and defence but I would agree we are heading too far into a defence first sport.
I’m watching ARG v SLO at the moment and agree it’s fun watching more defence than usual NBA. But it’s also awesome that Luka is still dominating and showing his skill.
 

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I know you are right. 100% but it still annoys me that the sport values defence so much over offence. The balance is so out of whack but it won’t change. I just hope we can have a player with SOME goal kicking ability in the next decade.
I reckon a fit Sturt will kick plenty of goals.
 
Does it not depress you that you are more worried about how a forward defends than attacks? Not having a go at all as it’s the way the game is but it really shouldn’t be that way at the elite level.
Kicking goals requires skill that we accept our smalls don't have. Given that, tackling requires intensity and desire, which is not a skill but a mindset. If you're not good enough, that's bad enough, but if you don't even try, well that's unforgivable and a representation of where we're at.
 
This is an interesting argument because I follow the NBA pretty heavily these days and frequent the NBA subreddit often. There is a fair bit of backlash on there about the current state of the NBA vs FIBA (international). NBA is geared to be entirely offensive in nature and most are liking the fact FIBA ball actually allows players to be defended.

I think there is a medium to be reached between offense and defence but I would agree we are heading too far into a defence first sport.
Bit off topic for the footy but I’m not a basketball guy and I am intrigued about this. The USA men’s team look far from guaranteed a gold medal in Tokyo, do you think they are starting to struggle with some of the defensive structures other teams are playing?
I’m not very familiar with the Boomers but it looks to be a good amount of mainly NBA and NBL players with an NBL coach?
 
Bit off topic for the footy but I’m not a basketball guy and I am intrigued about this. The USA men’s team look far from guaranteed a gold medal in Tokyo, do you think they are starting to struggle with some of the defensive structures other teams are playing?
I’m not very familiar with the Boomers but it looks to be a good amount of mainly NBA and NBL players with an NBL coach?
The US bball team problem is three-fold
1) It’s a horribly constructed team that doesnt fit with each other. Too many players of the same type
2) The players play for themselves and not for their country / each other like the other teams
3) The rules will take adjusting

1 and 2 are a much bigger problem then 3 but the talent gulf is still big enough US will win gold IMO
 
Sunday was the first game I haven't watched in years. I couldn't even stomach going back and watching it because I didn't wanna have to see this team get their pants pulled down yet again this season in a big game. And for Mundy's 350th of all ****ing things, you go out there and give that performance for a ****ing legend of this club?????? ARE YOU ****ING KIDDING ME????? One of the greatest to play for us and that's what you give him????? If I was in Mundy's shoes I'd play out the rest of the season, beat Pavlich's game record and then retire, it almost shows a lack of ****ing respect for a champion, pathetic.
 

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Sunday was the first game I haven't watched in years. I couldn't even stomach going back and watching it because I didn't wanna have to see this team get their pants pulled down yet again this season in a big game. And for Mundy's 350th of all ******* things, you go out there and give that performance for a ******* legend of this club?????? ARE YOU ******* KIDDING ME????? One of the greatest to play for us and that's what you give him????? If I was in Mundy's shoes I'd play out the rest of the season, beat Pavlich's game record and then retire, it almost shows a lack of ******* respect for a champion, pathetic.
It's not we usually get up for these kinds of games. Weak.
 
Fwd line sucks ass

A better ex Freo midfield than current one

Menegola Neale Langdon

Meek (maybe) Cerra (probs) Weller Hill

And we’ve spent so much draft on the backline it will have to be the greatest to ever play in the AFL just to break even

Rebuild’s going ace


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Fwd line sucks ass

A better ex Freo midfield than current one

Menegola Neale Langdon

Meek (maybe) Cerra (probs) Weller Hill

And we’ve spent so much draft on the backline it will have to be the greatest to ever play in the AFL just to break even

Rebuild’s going ace


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It's going to turn into a 10 year build because of the older players we have lost (one way or another) and the massive amounts of development time we have lost on injured players.

Cam, Langdon, Neale or a 100% fit and committed Hogan or Ben King makes a massive difference. Hill I think is better going as Serong is superior overall.

Players that have lost significant development time due to injury:
Logue
Pearce
Sturt
Valente
Darcy (still a jet though so this one doesnt hurt)
Switta
Young
Tucker
Freddy

Way too many first and second rounders in that bunch. We'd be an immensely better team if all of those had played 50% of the games they missed.
 
It's going to turn into a 10 year build because of the older players we have lost (one way or another) and the massive amounts of development time we have lost on injured players.

Cam, Langdon, Neale or a 100% fit and committed Hogan or Ben King makes a massive difference. Hill I think is better going as Serong is superior overall.

Players that have lost significant development time due to injury:
Logue
Pearce
Sturt
Valente
Darcy (still a jet though so this one doesnt hurt)
Switta
Young
Tucker
Freddy

Way too many first and second rounders in that bunch. We'd be an immensely better team if all of those had played 50% of the games they missed.
I think the lost time for those players expands the hurt into the inability to get continuity into a best 22 (or at least a best 15 or so). Other players have played all over the place to fill gaps, structures have changed, often having to manage with too few talls (a list mgmt issue too) etc etc.
 

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